Mayweather: "Marquez Called Me Out, Pacquiao Didn't"

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They could have all cared less if Mayweather never came back. At no time even when he was full time and #1 P4P did anyone need or want PBF and it had nothing to do with his skill set.

He is boring, a lousy PPV attraction, he has carefully and I REPEAT CAREFULLY PICKED HIS OPPONENTS OVER THE YEARS, not to say he was scared of anyone but he did always manage to take the least dangerous bouts available in the perspective divisions since his 135lb days.

Floyd is fooling no one the reason he went with Marquez has nothing to do with him being called out or a fight with Manny not being able to be made or as a Warm up. Because no one not even PBF believes Marquez is a warm up.

Floyd took this fight to use as a measuring stick, Marquez has been Manny's biggest challenge and closest in beating him since Morales

Mayweather wants to see how much trouble Marquez gives him to get an idea on what Manny will be like

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DAXXKAHN,

Anyway, good job of explaining your thoughts in your post, something I might add, that is not indicative of a lot of rebuttals on these threads. My replies to your original questions/statements appear below in brackets, I tried to make my replies bold, but didn't know how. Ignore the quoted post above.

The only thing laughable are your last 33 post, In case you don't know and it is obvious you don't, DLH went after Pacquiao not the other way around, Manny is the much much smaller man and jumped up 2 divisions to accept the challenge and to top it off he only had 1 fight at 135 so the combination of the 2 make it a pretty impressive feat.

[[I knew that, actually Merchant proposed the idea of the fight originally I think and Oscar bit, I could be wrong on that. However, as I've stated, Roach knew that Oscar would be dead at the weight. He even so much as said so before and after the fight, that's paraphrasing a little I know, but close to what he said. Why do you think they always talk catchweight with other proposed fighters? Roach knows they have something left! Much credit to Roach for accepting Oscar's terms regardless of the fact that Oscar dictated all of them. He knew what he was doing, Oscar was a marque name! I don't blame Pac for making a lot of money either.]]

Before the bout between Pacquiao and DLH no one was saying anything about DLH being washed up or drained in fact it was the opposite, it was all "Oscar is just too big" but because DLH could not handle making the weight Pacquiao all of a sudden went looking for a weaker DLH? Since when has anyone been the one to choose DLH as their opponent Oscar calls the shots in that dept.

[[Don't include me in the, "Oscar was too big," scenario before the fight. I wasn't posting on here at the time though and I can't prove I didn't feel that way so it is a moot point and of no practical importance for me to claim otherwise. I will agree the opinion that Oscar was too big was ubiquitous on this forum before Pac/Oscar as I was a member but only a reader at the time. I can admit that I did not think Pac would win that easy but was fairly sure he would out hustle Oscar at that weight.]]

And your excuse for the Hatton destruction is? Since Hatton was undefeated at 140 and had been the man in the division for the better part of 3 years without question but I suppose Manny cherry picked that fight as well?

[[No excuse here! The Hatton fight is the one that I did give him credit for (but I don't think Hatton was the same mentally after being KOed by FM. )The last part of that sentence in parentheses is said in retrospect though so it holds little weight. However, Hatton was considered the best man out there at 140 so props to Pac for taking this fight as he didn't know how easy it would be for him prior to the fight. He just got in the ring and fought. I personally thought Hatton would beat him or give him a tough fight at least.]]

A draw and a win over Marquez then Manny jumps a division up to fight a WORLD CHAMPION!!!! who at the time his only other loss was to Kendall Holt a massive puncher and the loss came at a higher weight class.....

[[We will have to agree to disagree here as I am not that impressed with Holt and definitely not impressed with David Diaz, WORLD CHAMPION or not.]]

I suppose PBF facing Gatti instead of any odf the other title holders at 140 was a better matchup right? A shot Gatti to top it off

[[Absolutely not, Gatti was not the best matchup for Floyd at the time. This was Floyd handpicking an opponent at its very best! As a side note, IMO Floyd should have one loss on his record. I feel he lost the first fight to Castillo.]]

PBF is now and always has been a lousy PPV draw FACT!!! The numbers don't lie sorry

[[I will not dispute this statement despite what Floyd thinks. He has usually had a good dance partner when appearing on PPV which has helped him.]]

Seems you spend a lot of time here hating on Pacquiao about 85% of your post thus far are about taking away from Mannys ability and trying to make him sound over rated....

[[I will leave specifically using the word (overrated) alone until Pac fights either of Shane, Floyd, Cotto, etc. If he wins I won't run and hide and can freely admit it if I am wrong about anything. If either of these fights do happen and the opponent is Shane or Cotto and it occurs at some ridiculous catchweight of, say, 142 then I will still be wrong but that is all I will admit to. I'm sure you know my opinion on this matter of catchweight so I don't have to explain further. If on the other hand the fight were at 145, even though it's a catchweight (cringe), then I would probably write up a lengthly post crediting Pac for the win. I just can't see Shane or Cotto going below 145 and being anywhere near effective. A 142 catchweight would not apply to Floyd though as he can make 142 fairly easy and still be effective, IMO.]]

Seems you are nothing more then a hater....Don't get me wrong a fan bou is just as bad but you make a fool of yourself by trying to make Pacquiao sound over rated and as if he is just a run of the mill fighter or if he avoided Marquez by not fighting a third fight right away

[[Negative, no fool here, although I don't think you meant that in a general sense. I actually have a very good education, AND I don't hate anyone or anything. That includes anything that walks, talks, swims, crawls, or digs a hole. I am actually quite a benign person in my everyday life. I also spend zero time worrying about what others think of me as I am what I am and others are going to think what they want either way.

Now to address your statement:

It is not as if Marquez just casually mentioned wanting to fight Pac again, he actively pursued the third fight. The decision was razor thin and he wanted to prove he was the better man as he thought he won and I did too. Fighting back to back against the same opponent is not tremendously uncommon. Vazquez/R Marquez is one trilogy that comes to mind with all three fights occuring in the space of one year or less. As stated above I will wait a little while on assessing how overrated Pac may or may not be, but as you already know I don't give Pac near the credit that some do for two of the last three aforementioned fights. So, I am basically letting it be known PRIOR to the possible bouts that could take place in the future that I have my reservations about him. If I am right no one can say I said it AFTER the fact as with your analogy pertaining to Oscar about people saying he was "too big" prior to their fight. If in the event I am wrong I stated what I would do previously above depending on the circumstances, no problem.]]

The fact PBF is such a lousy draw regardless of in ring skills shows to make money he is the one who needs to accept the biggest fights available

[[Agree, he should have done that a long time ago as his chance to build a lasting legacy will soon pass him by. We, along with Floyd do not know for sure how good he really is. We know he has a lot of skill but that's about it.]]

PBF retired did he not? Because he comes back the sport is supposed to stand still at his mercy? Sorry does not work like that and again he is not the draw so he is in no ay in a position to demand anything when it comes to splits

[[He might not be the draw in reality but it will be hard to convince him he's not especially if he beats Marquez fairly easy. It won't matter who he fights after Marquez he will want to be the man in any negotiations.]]

These guys can nget paid just as much in fights without Floyd

[[In most fights I would agree. I, however, do not feel that if either Shane or Cotto fight Pac that the fight will generate near the kind of money Pac and Floyd will make together. So a Floyd/Pac fight is exclusive to your statement IMO. The public would like to see this fight for sure.]]

Where was old Money Mayweather when Williams, Margarito, Cotto were all available?

[[Well, he was being Floyd. This doesn't require an in depth explanation. I do think he has the skill to beat Margarito and Cotto. Williams? That would be a tall order with Paul's speed, youth, reach, size, workrate, athleticism, etc. Of course on any given night anything can happen as William's loss to Quintana confirms.]]