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    Default Re: Pernell Whitaker or Manny Pacqioau greater resume?

    I definitely would argue it, Whitaker was great, but Pacquiao resume was a lot better than Pernell's, and who exactly would have beaten Manny? Julio Cesar Chavez was smaller than Pernell Whitaker, and a similarly smaller JCC in comparison to PAcquiao would not beat him, no way would Chavez be able to deal with his speed and movement.

    The difference is Whitaker like Mayweather fought and beat a lot of solid competition, but Pacquiao has foughten and beaten a lot of great competition.

    As for a confrontation between Pacquiao and Whitaker, how can you say that Whitaker would win easily? People don't even think Mayweather who is faster, harder to hit, and bigger would win easily. I see Pacquiao who is faster, so busy offensively, and so powerful giving WHitaker all he can handle and more. Whitaker's defense relied on reflexes that wouldn't work against as well against a faster fighter. I have Manny winning 6/10, he's the better fighter.

    Also in your list Pacquiao fought Marquezx2 and Barrerax2

    I've seen Whitaker's career, and he definitely beats young Pacquiao, but not modern Pacquiao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    I definitely would argue it, Whitaker was great, but Pacquiao resume was a lot better than Pernell's, and who exactly would have beaten Manny? Julio Cesar Chavez was smaller than Pernell Whitaker, and a similarly smaller JCC in comparison to PAcquiao would not beat him, no way would Chavez be able to deal with his speed and movement.

    The difference is Whitaker like Mayweather fought and beat a lot of solid competition, but Pacquiao has foughten and beaten a lot of great competition.

    As for a confrontation between Pacquiao and Whitaker, how can you say that Whitaker would win easily? People don't even think Mayweather who is faster, harder to hit, and bigger would win easily. I see Pacquiao who is faster, so busy offensively, and so powerful giving WHitaker all he can handle and more. Whitaker's defense relied on reflexes that wouldn't work against as well against a faster fighter. I have Manny winning 6/10, he's the better fighter.

    Also in your list Pacquiao fought Marquezx2 and Barrerax2

    I've seen Whitaker's career, and he definitely beats young Pacquiao, but not modern Pacquiao.
    People need to stop overrating Manny Pacquiao seriously, you don't think JCC wouldn't have beat Manny Pacquiao ? Manny Pacquiao is quick but hittable and very open for body shots, JCC would drag Manny Pacquiao into a place he's never been in before and stop him.

    And what about Azumah Nelson ? you don't think he would be able to beat Manny Pacquiao either ? hell even a 100 percent James McGirt would stand a good chance.

    And what do you mean Manny Pacquiao fought and beat great competition ? he beat a faded Erik Morales the same Erik Morales who was beaten up by Zahir Raheem. He beat MAB yes but there were circumstances surronding the 1st fight, but yes he does deserve alot of credit for that win, but MAB and was near enough shot in there 2nd meeting.

    Ricky Hatton isn't great ODLH was great about 8 years ago, and he was weight drained and hadn't fought at Welterweight in years. And yes i listed JMM only once because he only beat him once, and infact i thought JMM beat Manny Pacquiao twice.

    Beating Azumah Nelson and a P4P number 1 JCC is far and away a greater achievement. Hell Pernell Whitaker arguably beat a prime ODLH when he was past his prime.

    Pernell Whitaker would run rings round Manny Pacquiao, come on get off the Manny Pacquiao bandwagon. Just because he beat Ricky Hatton and a way past his prime ODLH now he's a Pernell Whitaker beater ?

    Give me a break Pernell Whitaker would of destroyed that version of ODLH, hell he even made a prime one look pretty ordinary, and Pernell Whitaker gave a much better version of Ricky Hatton aka JCC a boxing lesson. You don't think Pernell Whitaker wouldn't of made Ricky Hatton look stupid ?

    I mean honestly this is still the same Manny Pacquiao, who went life and death with JMM. Pernell Whitaker is faster than JMM, much better defensively. And can counter punch just as good and he certainly has a superior jab.

    I mean except for JMM who honestly on Manny Pacquiao's resume, would have even won more than 4 rounds against Pernell Whitaker ? and we are talking about the version's of Morales, Barrera, that Manny Pacquiao beat.

    No way on earth would Manny Pacquiao beat a prime Pernell Whitaker, jesus people seriously do overrate Manny Pacquiao on this board.
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    Hands down Whitaker.No doubt in my mind.Both will go down as greats,but there was only one Pernell.Manny for all intents and purposes when it relates too outstanding at the moment competition boils down the four fighters.

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    resume is Whitaker clearly.

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    Whitaker has a very impressive resume but I'm not going to lie as much as I love the sweet science there really was not to many of Pernell's fights that did not put me to sleep when I watched him. Manny has a very good resume and many more hits to come. Also keep in mind that Pacman is still only 30 years old and has at least 5 more good years left in him before his career is done. As of now Pernell has a better resume but Pacman is not done and will probably surpass him in the end.

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    Default Re: Pernell Whitaker or Manny Pacqioau greater resume?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    I definitely would argue it, Whitaker was great, but Pacquiao resume was a lot better than Pernell's, and who exactly would have beaten Manny? Julio Cesar Chavez was smaller than Pernell Whitaker, and a similarly smaller JCC in comparison to PAcquiao would not beat him, no way would Chavez be able to deal with his speed and movement.

    The difference is Whitaker like Mayweather fought and beat a lot of solid competition, but Pacquiao has foughten and beaten a lot of great competition.

    As for a confrontation between Pacquiao and Whitaker, how can you say that Whitaker would win easily? People don't even think Mayweather who is faster, harder to hit, and bigger would win easily. I see Pacquiao who is faster, so busy offensively, and so powerful giving WHitaker all he can handle and more. Whitaker's defense relied on reflexes that wouldn't work against as well against a faster fighter. I have Manny winning 6/10, he's the better fighter.

    Also in your list Pacquiao fought Marquezx2 and Barrerax2

    I've seen Whitaker's career, and he definitely beats young Pacquiao, but not modern Pacquiao.
    And you wonder why people consider you idiot. Whitaker in his prime toys with Pacquiao. Easily. 10 rounds to 2. A shut out wouldn't be out the question. You need to look at Whitaker acutally fight. Instead of just looking at his record, seeing his poor ko % and saying Pac beats him. Cuz that wouldn't be the case.

    And if you really think Pac could beat Chavez than your not just an idiot. Your an idiot with a serious crack problem. Prime for prime Chavez would molest Pacquiao the way your uncle did to you as a kid

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    Pernell Whitaker is a much much better fight than Pacquiao and Whitaker has the much much better resume. Pacquiao realy hasn't beaten anybody that impresses me besides Juan Manuel Marquez and he barely survived two fights and you can may'be throw in Jorge Solis, but that's reaching. He's beaten a shot Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Oscar De La Hoya, and Ricky Hatton. There is nothing about Pacquiao's resume that impresses me, Whitaker hands down it isn't even close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "The L.A. Earthquake" View Post
    Pernell Whitaker is a much much better fight than Pacquiao and Whitaker has the much much better resume. Pacquiao realy hasn't beaten anybody that impresses me besides Juan Manuel Marquez and he barely survived two fights and you can may'be throw in Jorge Solis, but that's reaching. He's beaten a shot Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Oscar De La Hoya, and Ricky Hatton. There is nothing about Pacquiao's resume that impresses me, Whitaker hands down it isn't even close.
    MAB was hardly shot, Morales still had something left in the 2nd fight, and Ricky Hatton wasn't shot by any means, i don't think Pacquiao's as great as some make him out to be, but he's far from being all hype

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by "The L.A. Earthquake" View Post
    Pernell Whitaker is a much much better fight than Pacquiao and Whitaker has the much much better resume. Pacquiao realy hasn't beaten anybody that impresses me besides Juan Manuel Marquez and he barely survived two fights and you can may'be throw in Jorge Solis, but that's reaching. He's beaten a shot Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Oscar De La Hoya, and Ricky Hatton. There is nothing about Pacquiao's resume that impresses me, Whitaker hands down it isn't even close.
    MAB was hardly shot, Morales still had something left in the 2nd fight, and Ricky Hatton wasn't shot by any means, i don't think Pacquiao's as great as some make him out to be, but he's far from being all hype
    I say this is the best objective post in here. Very good analysis. Manny is very good but a tad little hype. Whittaker in his prime will give Pacman trouble by outpointing him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "The L.A. Earthquake" View Post
    Pernell Whitaker is a much much better fight than Pacquiao and Whitaker has the much much better resume. Pacquiao realy hasn't beaten anybody that impresses me besides Juan Manuel Marquez and he barely survived two fights and you can may'be throw in Jorge Solis, but that's reaching. He's beaten a shot Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Oscar De La Hoya, and Ricky Hatton. There is nothing about Pacquiao's resume that impresses me, Whitaker hands down it isn't even close.
    Then you're not watching boxing. His wins over Ledwaba, BArrera, Morales, DLH,Hatton impressed the world.

    PAc first fought a BARRERA THAT WAS POUND FOR POUND NUMBER2 in many people's eyes that time. Some would even argue that he is pound for pound #1. Remember the title "KING OF THE FEATHERWEIGHT?" How can you say he was shot?


    Watch pac's fights and tell me you're not impressed.

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    Whittaker....man he was something else.

    I'm one of the guys that believes he never actually lost

    His evasiveness was just incredible.
    He mastered boxing.

    I like Pacquiao and think he's an ATG, but Pernell's resume is better and if they fought Manny would be soundly beaten
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    I used to think Manny was all speed, a little bit of power but had very crude boxing skills. Yet, he did improve and continuously does so every fight after his loss to Morales. That is what is makes him different. It would be unfair to compare both fighters now. Let us wait till Manny retires and judge him then. As it is, Pernell's record and abilities may give him the edge for now. However, if Manny fights Mayweather, JMM (again), Cotto, maybe Mosely and wins convincingly, then there will be no question who has a better resume and who is a better fighter. Hell even if he loses to one of the four mentioned, I would probably cast my vote his (MP) way.

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    Whitaker all day, the guy really was something else, for my money, the greatest fighter of the 90s ahead of Roy Jones & that is saying a lot because Jones was amazing. Apart from the Trinidad fight which he clearly lost, but he was shot by then & the following Bojoruez fight when he broke his collar bone (& even then I thought he would of won had that not happened), I think he won every fight of his career. I thought he edged ODLH, although it was close, I got the impression he would have had to have got a near shutout to win, he most DEFINITELY beat JCC & the corruption that robbed him in the Ramirez fight defied belief (even rounds my ass)

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    Quote Originally Posted by brucelee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by "The L.A. Earthquake" View Post
    Pernell Whitaker is a much much better fight than Pacquiao and Whitaker has the much much better resume. Pacquiao realy hasn't beaten anybody that impresses me besides Juan Manuel Marquez and he barely survived two fights and you can may'be throw in Jorge Solis, but that's reaching. He's beaten a shot Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Oscar De La Hoya, and Ricky Hatton. There is nothing about Pacquiao's resume that impresses me, Whitaker hands down it isn't even close.
    Then you're not watching boxing. His wins over Ledwaba, BArrera, Morales, DLH,Hatton impressed the world.

    PAc first fought a BARRERA THAT WAS POUND FOR POUND NUMBER2 in many people's eyes that time. Some would even argue that he is pound for pound #1. Remember the title "KING OF THE FEATHERWEIGHT?" How can you say he was shot?


    Watch pac's fights and tell me you're not impressed.
    I have no doubt that you have no clue who Whitaker is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    I definitely would argue it, Whitaker was great, but Pacquiao resume was a lot better than Pernell's, and who exactly would have beaten Manny? Julio Cesar Chavez was smaller than Pernell Whitaker, and a similarly smaller JCC in comparison to PAcquiao would not beat him, no way would Chavez be able to deal with his speed and movement.

    The difference is Whitaker like Mayweather fought and beat a lot of solid competition, but Pacquiao has foughten and beaten a lot of great competition.

    As for a confrontation between Pacquiao and Whitaker, how can you say that Whitaker would win easily? People don't even think Mayweather who is faster, harder to hit, and bigger would win easily. I see Pacquiao who is faster, so busy offensively, and so powerful giving WHitaker all he can handle and more. Whitaker's defense relied on reflexes that wouldn't work against as well against a faster fighter. I have Manny winning 6/10, he's the better fighter.

    Also in your list Pacquiao fought Marquezx2 and Barrerax2

    I've seen Whitaker's career, and he definitely beats young Pacquiao, but not modern Pacquiao.
    And you wonder why people consider you idiot. Whitaker in his prime toys with Pacquiao. Easily. 10 rounds to 2. A shut out wouldn't be out the question. You need to look at Whitaker acutally fight. Instead of just looking at his record, seeing his poor ko % and saying Pac beats him. Cuz that wouldn't be the case.

    And if you really think Pac could beat Chavez than your not just an idiot. Your an idiot with a serious crack problem. Prime for prime Chavez would molest Pacquiao the way your uncle did to you as a kid
    Whitaker hands down, especially when his two only valid losses were against DLH and Trinidad, and they were in their primes while he clearly wasn't, Chavez not being able to deal with speed and power? Meldrick Taylor IMO was just as fast if not faster than Pacquiao, and could box a hell of a lot better also, difference in Chavez/Pacquiao is that Chavez would have knocked Manny out a lot earlier than the final round

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