What do you make out of this? Bob Arum: 50/50 Split, Pac vs PBF is on!

[fan johnny]

They're just negotiating in the press before they eventually sit down. It's too big a fight not to happen and eventually they'll agree to 50 50 and do it early next year after Manny beats Cotto and Floyd beats Marquez. And Floyd will win.

I wouldn't even that, I'd call it journalist supposition with pieced together quotes from interview chat. Arum couldn't make a 50/50 deal if he wanted to, Pacquiao would never accept it at this stage. Who in their "right" mind calls $15 million "chump change"?

[Kirkland Laing]

They're just negotiating in the press before they eventually sit down. It's too big a fight not to happen and eventually they'll agree to 50 50 and do it early next year after Manny beats Cotto and Floyd beats Marquez. And Floyd will win.

I wouldn't even that, I'd call it journalist supposition with pieced together quotes from interview chat. Arum couldn't make a 50/50 deal if he wanted to, Pacquiao would never accept it at this stage. Who in their mind calls $15 million "chump change"?

Neither guy is going to accept the short end of the purse and neither guy can make remotely as much money without fighting the other, so they'll eventually agree on 50 50. It is Written.

[generalbulldog]

Floyd by Unanimous decision. Then another rematch.

[fan johnny]

They're just negotiating in the press before they eventually sit down. It's too big a fight not to happen and eventually they'll agree to 50 50 and do it early next year after Manny beats Cotto and Floyd beats Marquez. And Floyd will win.

I wouldn't even that, I'd call it journalist supposition with pieced together quotes from interview chat. Arum couldn't make a 50/50 deal if he wanted to, Pacquiao would never accept it at this stage. Who in their mind calls $15 million "chump change"?

Neither guy is going to accept the short end of the purse and neither guy can make remotely as much money without fighting the other, so they'll eventually agree on 50 50. It is Written.

Doesn't that presuppose Mayweather / Marquez turns out mega PPV numbers?

Even Mayweather would have to concede he is a not as big a draw as he thought if the PPV numbers fail to be a blockbuster.

[KananKrus]

Yeah, indeed it is the marquee fight, Pac vs PBF!

[BoomBoom]

Timing is everything, and Floyd has been buying time for a couple years now. He retired, and now his comeback is postponed. Floyd wants Pac to fight someone first before fighting him, because he knows that Cotto or Mosley will beat him, and stylistically he has a better chance against those two guys. Floyd is all about fighting good style matchups for him, to make himself look better. But, he may end up fighting Pac, just under terms that suit him best.

[Mar]

It cracks me up how everyone talks about how crappy floyd is yet it's supposed to be this big feat to beat him. Floyd doesn't fight people his size, he runs, cheats, blah, blah so beating him doesn't prove crap. The whole boxing world has this huge hard on for the guy, this division is so deep with good fighters yet they all want to fight the same(what they call) crappy guy who isn't even champ. Paul williams is basically calling out eveyone and no one answers why Cause that fight is too tough for the amount of money, or the challenge too big ?? The same answers people use on floyd they don't want to use for thier own fighter. Some guys catch shit for it...but they all fight the easiest fight for the money.

[CFH]

It cracks me up how everyone talks about how crappy floyd is yet it's supposed to be this big feat to beat him. Floyd doesn't fight people his size, he runs, cheats, blah, blah so beating him doesn't prove crap. The whole boxing world has this huge hard on for the guy, this division is so deep with good fighters yet they all want to fight the same(what they call) crappy guy who isn't even champ.

I've seen plenty of people criticizing Floyd's opposition, but I've never seen anyone claim he wasn't a great fighter in terms of skills.

[Rantcatrat]

It cracks me up how everyone talks about how crappy floyd is yet it's supposed to be this big feat to beat him. Floyd doesn't fight people his size, he runs, cheats, blah, blah so beating him doesn't prove crap. The whole boxing world has this huge hard on for the guy, this division is so deep with good fighters yet they all want to fight the same(what they call) crappy guy who isn't even champ. Paul williams is basically calling out eveyone and no one answers why Cause that fight is too tough for the amount of money, or the challenge too big ?? The same answers people use on floyd they don't want to use for thier own fighter. Some guys catch shit for it...but they all fight the easiest fight for the money.

no one of any intelligence would say that pbf is a bad boxer. who says he cheats? he does run (or from a different perspective - fight defensively) and he hasn't fought one legitimate welterweight contender in his three years at that weight, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't be favored in a fight with anyone in or around his weight class.

i think mosely and williams would give floyd a harder time than pacquiao. that's just me.

[Kirkland Laing]

I wouldn't even that, I'd call it journalist supposition with pieced together quotes from interview chat. Arum couldn't make a 50/50 deal if he wanted to, Pacquiao would never accept it at this stage. Who in their mind calls $15 million "chump change"?

Neither guy is going to accept the short end of the purse and neither guy can make remotely as much money without fighting the other, so they'll eventually agree on 50 50. It is Written.

Doesn't that presuppose Mayweather / Marquez turns out mega PPV numbers?

Even Mayweather would have to concede he is a not as big a draw as he thought if the PPV numbers fail to be a blockbuster.

No, Floyd just has to beat Marquez. If he can do it more convincingly that manny did (basically box his way to a clear decision) that's all he needs to do. The PPV numbers don't matter so much, the bottom line is that Floyd-Manny would be a truly historic fight with a lot on the line and with an enormous potential PPV gross. The HBO PPV-buying public -- the casual American boxing fan -- want to see the unbeaten former pound for pound guy versus the current guy. One has his unbeaten record to sell the fight, the other has the amazing 130-135-147 run he's been on to do it for him and it's the fight the public will shell out for in a big way. Both guys could fight two other fights and not make as much money as they could from fighting each other, so it'll happen.

[fan johnny]

Neither guy is going to accept the short end of the purse and neither guy can make remotely as much money without fighting the other, so they'll eventually agree on 50 50. It is Written.

Doesn't that presuppose Mayweather / Marquez turns out mega PPV numbers?

Even Mayweather would have to concede he is a not as big a draw as he thought if the PPV numbers fail to be a blockbuster.

No, Floyd just has to beat Marquez. If he can do it more convincingly that manny did (basically box his way to a clear decision) that's all he needs to do. The PPV numbers don't matter so much, the bottom line is that Floyd-Manny would be a truly historic fight with a lot on the line and with an enormous potential PPV gross. The HBO PPV-buying public -- the casual American boxing fan -- want to see the unbeaten former pound for pound guy versus the current guy. One has his unbeaten record to sell the fight, the other has the amazing 130-135-147 run he's been on to do it for him and it's the fight the public will shell out for in a big way. Both guys could fight two other fights and not make as much money as they could from fighting each other, so it'll happen.

Uh? 50/50 or who gets the bigger split is not about who has the best record. It's about who is has more PPV draw. Although there is no doubt the PAC/PBF has mega appeal. If the JMM/PBF fight puts up crapy PPV numbers, Floyd has no leverage at the bargaining table. (provided he wins) If that does happen, Pacquiao is clearly in the drivers seat. With the JMM/PBF being delayed, and since it looks like Pacquiao will face Cotto, those numbers will also be a major factor in determining PPV draw power.

The other thing you have to keep in mind is that it is pure speculation that a Pac/PFB fight would break records. No one really knows if a a PAC/Cotto or if a Pac/PFB is a bigger draw. If you look at the styles, a PAC/Cotto is a more exciting fight to watch. So a Pac/Cotto could end up being the bigger money maker.

Let's presuppose that both Pacquiao and Mayweather win their next fights setting up a mega bout between the two. It would mean Pacquiao is the title holder and Mayweather is the challenger with no belts, not even a mythical or hypothetical one. That leaves the only one thing for him to bring to the table i.e. intrigue.

[Kirkland Laing]

Doesn't that presuppose Mayweather / Marquez turns out mega PPV numbers?

Even Mayweather would have to concede he is a not as big a draw as he thought if the PPV numbers fail to be a blockbuster.

No, Floyd just has to beat Marquez. If he can do it more convincingly that manny did (basically box his way to a clear decision) that's all he needs to do. The PPV numbers don't matter so much, the bottom line is that Floyd-Manny would be a truly historic fight with a lot on the line and with an enormous potential PPV gross. The HBO PPV-buying public -- the casual American boxing fan -- want to see the unbeaten former pound for pound guy versus the current guy. One has his unbeaten record to sell the fight, the other has the amazing 130-135-147 run he's been on to do it for him and it's the fight the public will shell out for in a big way. Both guys could fight two other fights and not make as much money as they could from fighting each other, so it'll happen.

Uh? 50/50 or who gets the bigger split is not about who has the best record. It's about who is has more PPV draw. Although there is no doubt the PAC/PBF has mega appeal. If the JMM/PBF fight puts up crapy PPV numbers, Floyd has no leverage at the bargaining table. (provided he wins) If that does happen, Pacquiao is clearly in the drivers seat. With the JMM/PBF being delayed, and since it looks like Pacquiao will face Cotto, those numbers will also be a major factor in determining PPV draw power.

The other thing you have to keep in mind is that it is pure speculation that a Pac/PFB fight would break records. No one really knows if a a PAC/Cotto or if a Pac/PFB is a bigger draw. If you look at the styles, a PAC/Cotto is a more exciting fight to watch. So a Pac/Cotto could end up being the bigger money maker.

Let's presuppose that both Pacquiao and Mayweather win their next fights setting up a mega bout between the two. It would mean Pacquiao is the title holder and Mayweather is the challenger with no belts, not even a mythical or hypothetical one. That leaves the only one thing for him to bring to the table i.e. intrigue.

Oscar didn't have a belt when he fought Manny either but he got the lion's share of the purse. Floyd's leverage is that he's Floyd Mayweather. He's bringing more than any other fighter can, national profile, unbeaten record, previous pound for pound champ etc. Floyd's negotiating position is that he wants the lion's share but in the end he'll settle for half. Both guys will because it's easily the biggest payday available and neither one is getting any younger.

[fan johnny]

No, Floyd just has to beat Marquez. If he can do it more convincingly that manny did (basically box his way to a clear decision) that's all he needs to do. The PPV numbers don't matter so much, the bottom line is that Floyd-Manny would be a truly historic fight with a lot on the line and with an enormous potential PPV gross. The HBO PPV-buying public -- the casual American boxing fan -- want to see the unbeaten former pound for pound guy versus the current guy. One has his unbeaten record to sell the fight, the other has the amazing 130-135-147 run he's been on to do it for him and it's the fight the public will shell out for in a big way. Both guys could fight two other fights and not make as much money as they could from fighting each other, so it'll happen.

Uh? 50/50 or who gets the bigger split is not about who has the best record. It's about who is has more PPV draw. Although there is no doubt the PAC/PBF has mega appeal. If the JMM/PBF fight puts up crapy PPV numbers, Floyd has no leverage at the bargaining table. (provided he wins) If that does happen, Pacquiao is clearly in the drivers seat. With the JMM/PBF being delayed, and since it looks like Pacquiao will face Cotto, those numbers will also be a major factor in determining PPV draw power.

The other thing you have to keep in mind is that it is pure speculation that a Pac/PFB fight would break records. No one really knows if a a PAC/Cotto or if a Pac/PFB is a bigger draw. If you look at the styles, a PAC/Cotto is a more exciting fight to watch. So a Pac/Cotto could end up being the bigger money maker.

Let's presuppose that both Pacquiao and Mayweather win their next fights setting up a mega bout between the two. It would mean Pacquiao is the title holder and Mayweather is the challenger with no belts, not even a mythical or hypothetical one. That leaves the only one thing for him to bring to the table i.e. intrigue.

Oscar didn't have a belt when he fought Manny either but he got the lion's share of the purse. [Exactly, if you realize this, I don't understand your argument] Floyd's leverage is that he's Floyd Mayweather. He's bringing more than any other fighter can [not proven], national profile, unbeaten record [So what! So do Edwind Valero, Andre Berto & Timothy Bradley], previous pound for pound champ etc. Floyd's negotiating position is that he wants the lion's share but in the end he'll settle for half. Both guys will because it's easily the biggest payday available and neither one is getting any younger.

Yes, It's about marketing! Oscar was the bigger draw at the time. The leverage question will be answered once both fighters have their respective fights. It's pointless to debate who upper hand on purse split, because they are going to face each other now.