Great Technical Boxers Limited by Mentality

[XaduBoxer]

Joshua Clottey?? not a finisher...

[LEGION]

Joshua Clottey?? not a finisher...

I was thinking of Clottey as well. The guy just puts on the brakes for some reason.

Hatton, Taylor and Cintron for sure on my list.

Hatton just seems to fight off emotion and disregards basic fundamentals in favor of being a bully boy. Ialways thought whn he attempted it, he showed very good footwork, fast hands and good head movement. But as soon as a fight gets nasty he throws caution t the wind and just seemed to get angry and wanted to bull his way through. We saw how well that went in his last 2; and een Lazcano had him in trouble.

Taylor just seems to have some sort of issues with conditioning; alot of which stems from his propensity to tighten up in a fight with nervous energy. Never understood that dude; though I always liked him.

Cintrn is just a cur who missed the tornado to OZ in search of a heart. Natural Born Quitter; I don't care what anyone says. Feliciano had him looking for exit signs many times in heir fight; and Jesse can't even throw a straight punch lol. If Cintron can't get you out with his power he's panicking; and watch him when he gets hit; fetal position time. He'll get blasted real soon.

[RozzySean]

Riddick Bowe, for sure. He had all the tools and skills to be an ATG.

On some level, James Toney was limited by his mentality. As great as his career was, if he didn't struggle so much with food and at times focus he could have been even better. He never should have lost to Thazdi or Griffin. For that matter, he would have never lost to Sam Peter if he was in proper shape.

[Spicoli]

Riddick Bowe, for sure. He had all the tools and skills to be an ATG.

On some level, James Toney was limited by his mentality. As great as his career was, if he didn't struggle so much with food and at times focus he could have been even better. He never should have lost to Thazdi or Griffin. For that matter, he would have never lost to Sam Peter if he was in proper shape.

Good ones.Bowe had all of the physical tools but had the fire in the belly of a sloth.Once he hit it big and statrted talking about putting a kitchen in his bedroom,that was ballgame lol.

Toney could be lazy.A master of timing out rounds and taking the foot of the pedal in gaps.I think he through in the mental towel going into the Jones fight.Jones was in his head,turned the tables on him.

[ICB]

Riddick Bowe, for sure. He had all the tools and skills to be an ATG.

On some level, James Toney was limited by his mentality. As great as his career was, if he didn't struggle so much with food and at times focus he could have been even better. He never should have lost to Thazdi or Griffin. For that matter, he would have never lost to Sam Peter if he was in proper shape.

I don't think James Toney lost to Montel Griffin, the first fight was a draw James Toney done no worse than that. And James Toney for 100 percent won the rematch, he was definately on the wrong end of a bad decision in the rematch.

[LEGION]

Kid Thunder......Well actually he's limited in all aspects but mentality is definately one.

[OumaFan]

Clottey, Toney, Guzman. A guy like Viloria's maybe not a great technical boxer but he's a poster boy for mentality problems, at least until Solis.

I always thought Judah's unreached potential was a bit overdone. His skills and technical ability were always overrated IMO. He was never nearly as talented and skilled as say a Guzman.

[jon09]

Mike Tyson for sure is a very good example.

Felix Trinidad was to me never the same after Bhop.

Sam Peter will probably never recover from Vitali.

Roy Jones 2nd half of career is running on fumes and bad career choices.

Edison Miranda

Ike Ibeabuchi

[mad_takamura]

Clottey, Toney, Guzman. A guy like Viloria's maybe not a great technical boxer but he's a poster boy for mentality problems, at least until Solis.

I always thought Judah's unreached potential was a bit overdone. His skills and technical ability were always overrated IMO. He was never nearly as talented and skilled as say a Guzman.

yep. viloria's recent trainer roberto garcia was asked, prior to his fight with solis, what will they improve in preparation for their fight with solis? he said nothing. in fact he said viloria got all the tools to be world champ again and is impressed by his boxing skills. what viloria lacks, he said, was motivation and focus. that means there's a lot of things going on to his head that's why he lost all those title fights from sosa and romero. it turns out garcia was right: it's all about the "ghost" in the head.

[Taeth]

Joshua Clottey?? not a finisher...

To a larger degree Quartey, he was similar to Clottey, but he had that great jab and power.
Here are guys for me

Potentially Gamboa: IMO a better athletic version of Meldrick Taylor, but his cockiness could be the death of him. He does things so effortlessly sometimes, and other times he gets caught.
Andre Berto: another top tier athlete who is tough, can box, and he wants to be exciting, but I think he has a hard time trying to integrate excitement and boxing and he leaves himself wide open for counter punches.
Roy Jones Jr: not because of anything he did in the ring, but because of what fights didn't end up getting made, I know they weren't 100% his fault, but as PAcquiao is showing the big fights can be made if you are really eager to fight guys. I think his fear of a serious injury led him away from the biggest fights in his prime.
Ali and Lennox Lewis: didn't train as hard as they could have for many of their fights.
Wilfredo Benitez: he trained like 2 weeks in total for both the HEarns and Leonard fight, I am not sure if he wanted an excuse or honestly didn't care, but I think he never gave his best effort leading up to the fight.
Mike Tysonbvious reasons
Zab Judah: obvious reasons
Juan Guzman: poor manager? Lost his opportunity by not making weight for a very important fight because he stayed at 130 way too long.
Michael Nunn and Whiatker: could have had longer careers had they kept clean.

[piye]

Joshua Clottey?? not a finisher...

To a larger degree Quartey, he was similar to Clottey, but he had that great jab and power.
Here are guys for me

Potentially Gamboa: IMO a better athletic version of Meldrick Taylor, but his cockiness could be the death of him. He does things so effortlessly sometimes, and other times he gets caught.
Andre Berto: another top tier athlete who is tough, can box, and he wants to be exciting, but I think he has a hard time trying to integrate excitement and boxing and he leaves himself wide open for counter punches.
Roy Jones Jr: not because of anything he did in the ring, but because of what fights didn't end up getting made, I know they weren't 100% his fault, but as PAcquiao is showing the big fights can be made if you are really eager to fight guys. I think his fear of a serious injury led him away from the biggest fights in his prime.
Ali and Lennox Lewis: didn't train as hard as they could have for many of their fights.
Wilfredo Benitez: he trained like 2 weeks in total for both the HEarns and Leonard fight, I am not sure if he wanted an excuse or honestly didn't care, but I think he never gave his best effort leading up to the fight.
Mike Tysonbvious reasons
Zab Judah: obvious reasons
Juan Guzman: poor manager? Lost his opportunity by not making weight for a very important fight because he stayed at 130 way too long.
Michael Nunn and Whiatker: could have had longer careers had they kept clean.

A few ATG fighters have been mentioned Roy, Tyson, Holyfield and I cannot agree with this out of thousands of fighters that exist in the world to become undisputed or P4P no way did you underachieve.

[SaltyBacon]

jhonny tapia all the promblems he had outside of the ring

[mad_takamura]

Joshua Clottey?? not a finisher...

To a larger degree Quartey, he was similar to Clottey, but he had that great jab and power.
Here are guys for me

Potentially Gamboa: IMO a better athletic version of Meldrick Taylor, but his cockiness could be the death of him. He does things so effortlessly sometimes, and other times he gets caught.
Andre Berto: another top tier athlete who is tough, can box, and he wants to be exciting, but I think he has a hard time trying to integrate excitement and boxing and he leaves himself wide open for counter punches.
Roy Jones Jr: not because of anything he did in the ring, but because of what fights didn't end up getting made, I know they weren't 100% his fault, but as PAcquiao is showing the big fights can be made if you are really eager to fight guys. I think his fear of a serious injury led him away from the biggest fights in his prime.
Ali and Lennox Lewis: didn't train as hard as they could have for many of their fights.
Wilfredo Benitez: he trained like 2 weeks in total for both the HEarns and Leonard fight, I am not sure if he wanted an excuse or honestly didn't care, but I think he never gave his best effort leading up to the fight.
Mike Tysonbvious reasons
Zab Judah: obvious reasons
Juan Guzman: poor manager? Lost his opportunity by not making weight for a very important fight because he stayed at 130 way too long.
Michael Nunn and Whiatker: could have had longer careers had they kept clean.

andre berto still has all the potential to redeem himself. i think why he leaves himself open is to bait the other guy, he is an amateur standout and Olympian: he knows what he's doing.
and as for guzman, can't blame the manager on his weight problems. managers ain't suppose to babysit fighters. fighters have responsibilty to commit themselves in making the weight.