How is Donaire ahead of Williams, Haye, Dawson etc?

[ElTerribleMorales]

Ok I know you guys will tell me what a super slick operator he is, but what has he actually done?

He knocked out Darchinyan in a big upset, and since then Darchinyan (NOT Donaire) has gone to do great things picking up titles in two weight classes and scoring big wins over Mijares (another hugely overinflated fighter) and Arce.

Donaire has the win over Darchinyan on his record and nothing else.

He has beaten ONE world champion, thats it. And I'm not talking about reigning champs here either, I mean only ONE opponent had EVER held a world title.

How the fuck does that put him above Paul Williams 3 time world champ in two weight classes plus a dominating win over one of the modern greats in Winky Wright?

How does that put him above David Haye, the unified cruiserweight world champ, or Chad Dawson the undefeated light heavyweight king with wins over two weight and reigning cruiserweight champ Adamek, plus wins over former undisputed champs (I think) Antonio Tarver (twice) and Glen Johnson?

How about Mikkell Kessler, three time world champ, wins over reigning champ Anthony Mundine, defending champ Marcus Beyer etc.

Has there EVER been a fighter who defeated ONE world champ who wasn't even in the top 10 p4p at the time and has never even fought let alone beat another world champ (not reigning but world champ at anytime in their career) and yet still gets a top place?

It's so undeserving, Juan Manuel Lopez has done just as much.

If people want to tell me he's super skillful and slick and I know nothing, ok maybe he is, but what has he actually done?

I was the only hater of Christian Mijares on here when everybody was claiming he was an all time great in the making and nobody could see how overated he was, well I called it then and I'm calling it now.

Donaire has done nothing to deserve top 10 status let alone top 7.

In a year after he gets sparked by Fernano Montiel or somebody similar he will be another forgotten man.

Williams, Guzman, Kessler, Pavlik, Abraham, Haye, Dawson all have a case for inclusion above him.

the answer is simple $$$$

how? donaire paid them?

i wouldn't be shocked if his promoter dished out a couple bucks for a ranking, would be the first time

and makes sense seeing how he's done jack shit to merit a place in the top 10 much less a #7 spot

[XaduBoxer]

the answer is simple $$$$

how? donaire paid them?

i wouldn't be shocked if his promoter dished out a couple bucks for a ranking, would be the first time

and makes sense seeing how he's done jack shit to merit a place in the top 10 much less a #7 spot

Do you really believed Donaire's promoter paid for that #7 P4P ranking??

RING Mag is owned by GBP and Donaire is a Top Rank boxer... Go figure...
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[Quinito]

Lol! Donaire bribed Ring Mag to put him at #7? That's some funny shit right there. Hehe!

[generalbulldog]

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Anything is possible with the Ring magazine. Money talks, maybe Donaire and Arum slipped a little money for those rankings eh?

[Snakey]

Lol! Donaire bribed Ring Mag to put him at #7? That's some funny shit right there. Hehe!

He bribed the wrong people thats for sure, if it only got him 7th spot then hes doing something wrong

[ElTerribleMorales]

Lol! Donaire bribed Ring Mag to put him at #7? That's some funny shit right there. Hehe!

He bribed the wrong people thats for sure, if it only got him 7th spot then hes doing something wrong

7 is a lot higher than where he SHOULD BE, i'd rank Donaire at something like #30 p4p if that

and Pacquiao is a top rank fighter yet was ranked #5 at welter after beating DLH, wtf

[Quinito]

Lol Mr Erik. I have no problem ranking Donaire at #30, #300, #3000, or #30,000... and infinity. I'm good with it as long as he's ahead of Darchickenyan. Get my drift?

[Julius Rain]

Lol! Donaire bribed Ring Mag to put him at #7? That's some funny shit right there. Hehe!

He bribed the wrong people thats for sure, if it only got him 7th spot then hes doing something wrong

7 is a lot higher than where he SHOULD BE, i'd rank Donaire at something like #30 p4p if that

and Pacquiao is a top rank fighter yet was ranked #5 at welter after beating DLH, wtf

Can you post your top 30 p4p please.

[CFH]

Lol Mr Erik. I have no problem ranking Donaire at #30, #300, #3000, or #30,000... and infinity. I'm good with it as long as he's ahead of Darchickenyan. Get my drift?

I'm not sure about that, Darchinyan has done a lot more than Donaire since they fought. Darchinyan, in addition to being a unified champion, has been on the list for 19 weeks; Donaire has been on for 7. What has he done in those 7 weeks to deserve to be ranked above Darchinyan? Because prior to that he clearly wasn't seen as good enough to be ahead of him according to those who make the list.

[Kev]

None of that has any bearing on his inclusion in the top 10 P4P. In fact, it only reinforces the notion that he should not be included as his resume is lacking.

can't blame nonito. nonito called them up and what did they do? nothing. or if one did he cancelled it due to an "injury"(montiel). is nonito blamed for this? he did everything for those fights to happen but they avoided him, i guess quite contrast to your opinion, the notion he called out this fighters but none of them have bitten the bait proves that he should be there. fighters know if the one they are going to face are heavy risks (like nonito) thus nonito is for real. you could include jmm on that scenario wayback for they almost share the same crisis. jmm was avoided by em, mab, and hamed. and if i was'nt for pac, he won't be known as the p4p #2 now, right? question is: will history repeat itself thru nonito like what happened to jmm? only time will tell who will be the fighter that would make that breakthrough for him. (like pac did for jmm tll everybody praised him to who he is today: the #2 p4p!)
this ring mag people knew that nonito is the real deal base on how he is avoided by this fighters. i guess that answers your question, bilbo, no matter how senseless it looks. the whole quality of opposition cowers away from him like he is an evovled specie of h1n1!
or you can also ask people here who will win if those fights happen.(nonito vs a, vs b, vs c...) only guy who can stand a chance actually against nonito is montiel imo. we can all predict that, can't we? of course it's just a prediction but arce vs nonito? you can guess right who would win easily there, right?

Being an avoided fighter means nothing in the context of P4P lists. If it did, a highly skilled fighter like Paul Williams who has a better resume that Donaire, comparable skills, and who is avoided by fighters in three separate divisions should still be ranked well above Donaire. By your criteria he could be ranked in the top 5.

Again, regardless of the reasons, Donaire does not have the resume to be included in the P4P list in my opinion. He has fought one legitimate opponent in his entire career.

Exactly, once Williams had defeated Margarito and sparked Quintana in one round to get his world title back no welterweight wanted anything to do with him. So unlike Donaire who just chooses to fight nobodies, Williams moved up and won a world title at junior middle, than jumped two more weight classes and defeated a former p4p legend in Winky Wright and dominated him.

Yet Doniare is voted higher than him, it makes no sense. Donaire has only fought one single world rated fighter. No other opponent has ever held a world title at any time, only one had ever fought for one prior to meeting Donaire, and they had been knocked out.

If you take Darchinyan out of his resume he's not even top 100 and that's a fact, there is not a single name on his record that stands out.

All he did was suprisingly KO a fighter who has since gone on to do great things after the Donaire loss.

It's Vic who went on to win titles at multiple weight classes, who destroyed Jorge Arce and Christian Mijares and yet for some reason despite doing nothing in the last two years (he's fought 3 nobodies) Donaire has been promoted every time Vic achieves something.

It's ridiculous, a man should get into the p4p rankings based on his own merits, not because a fighter he beat goes on to achieve p4p worthy feats over the next couple years

[Pugilistic]

I agree about Williams and Dawson. They certainly belong ahead of Donaire.

Haye's resume isn't that good though.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Lol Mr Erik. I have no problem ranking Donaire at #30, #300, #3000, or #30,000... and infinity. I'm good with it as long as he's ahead of Darchickenyan. Get my drift?

I'm not sure about that, Darchinyan has done a lot more than Donaire since they fought. Darchinyan, in addition to being a unified champion, has been on the list for 19 weeks; Donaire has been on for 7. What has he done in those 7 weeks to deserve to be ranked above Darchinyan? Because prior to that he clearly wasn't seen as good enough to be ahead of him according to those who make the list.

my thoughts exactly

He bribed the wrong people thats for sure, if it only got him 7th spot then hes doing something wrong

7 is a lot higher than where he SHOULD BE, i'd rank Donaire at something like #30 p4p if that

and Pacquiao is a top rank fighter yet was ranked #5 at welter after beating DLH, wtf

Can you post your top 30 p4p please.

give me a couple days and i'll put my list together

[Kev]

I agree about Williams and Dawson. They certainly belong ahead of Donaire.

Haye's resume isn't that good though.

Who has Nonito beaten that are better than Frogemmini, Mormeck and Maccerinelli?

When he beat Vic Darchinyan, Vic was not a multiweight divisional champ and had not beaten Mijares and Arce, his career defining wins. That was probably on a par with beating Mormeck by KO in his back yard.

At least when Haye knocked out Mormeck he had just defeated O'Neil Bell to become the unified Cruiseweight champ, only the third since Holyfield I believe.

And you can mock the likes of Enzo and Frogemmini on Haye's record but they eclipse any fighter on Nonito's other than Darchinyan, he's not even fought a single other world class fighter, the only other 'name' on his resume being Maldonado famous only for being knocked out by Vic, Montiel and Nonito.

His record apart from the Vic fight is crap, he has beaten nobody at all.

Kelly Pavliks record is far better than Nonito's with wins over Taylor twice, Miranda and Rubio all world class operators. Sure he lost to Hopkins one of the greatest fighters of the modern era, but Nonito Donaire has one defeat also to a certain Rosendo Sanchez who I'm sure we are all familiar with.

You can try and say well Pavliks defeat was recent as if that makes it more damaging but if we are going on recent form isn't that even more reason for Donaire not to be in the top 10 seeing as he does absolutely nothing in 2 years?

Even Arthur Abrahams wins over Miranda, Eastmen, Sebastion Demers, Kinglesy Ikicke is beter is a better resume imo.

Donaiare beat a decent world champ who later went on to become a very good world champ whilst Donaire himself has just stood still.

If he is p4p nunber 7 the James Buster Douglas must SURELY be in the Top 10 greatest heavyweights of all time right? How could you dispute it, after all he toppled Tyson when he was undefeated at the very height of his powers not before he had achieved them, he beat the champ, not a fighter with potential.......

[No Contest]

Computer must be on the fritz over at the Ring. Haye I can agree with but not Dawson and Williams.

[mad_takamura]

how? donaire paid them?

i wouldn't be shocked if his promoter dished out a couple bucks for a ranking, would be the first time

and makes sense seeing how he's done jack shit to merit a place in the top 10 much less a #7 spot

Do you really believed Donaire's promoter paid for that #7 P4P ranking??

RING Mag is owned by GBP and Donaire is a Top Rank boxer... Go figure...
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i was thinking the same thing.