My Top 30 p4p

[gest12645]

Interesting list but Id have Nonito Donaire one spot in from of Vic and definately in the top 17. Kesser , JMM, Caballero should be higher also. For the rest Hasegawa, Glen Johnson, Haye, Clottey, Bradley ,Valero, Juan Diaz , Adamek, Edgar Sosa

[ElTerribleMorales]

Interesting list but Id have Nonito Donaire one spot in from of Vic and definately in the top 17. Kesser , JMM, Caballero should be higher also. For the rest Hasegawa, Glen Johnson, Haye, Clottey, Bradley ,Valero, Juan Diaz , Adamek, Edgar Sosa

don't have Donaire, cause apart from beating Darchinyan he hasn't done shit really, on the other hand Darchinyan moved up and weight and owned it, and i have JMM in the #2 spot, still working out #18-30

[mad_takamura]

Interesting list but Id have Nonito Donaire one spot in from of Vic and definately in the top 17. Kesser , JMM, Caballero should be higher also. For the rest Hasegawa, Glen Johnson, Haye, Clottey, Bradley ,Valero, Juan Diaz , Adamek, Edgar Sosa

don't have Donaire, cause apart from beating Darchinyan he hasn't done shit really, on the other hand Darchinyan moved up and weight and owned it, and i have JMM in the #2 spot, still working out #18-30

donaire should be there too higher than darch. the reason for this was the recent beating agbeko gave to darch and nonito winning his second title, the wba 115 title, by coming up one division and outboxing a balooned, hard opponent in rafael concepcion.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Interesting list but Id have Nonito Donaire one spot in from of Vic and definately in the top 17. Kesser , JMM, Caballero should be higher also. For the rest Hasegawa, Glen Johnson, Haye, Clottey, Bradley ,Valero, Juan Diaz , Adamek, Edgar Sosa

don't have Donaire, cause apart from beating Darchinyan he hasn't done shit really, on the other hand Darchinyan moved up and weight and owned it, and i have JMM in the #2 spot, still working out #18-30

donaire should be there too higher than darch. the reason for this was the recent beating agbeko gave to darch and nonito winning his second title, the wba 115 title, by coming up one division and outboxing a balooned, hard opponent in rafael concepcion.

Concepcion was a good win but, and it was his best opponent since Darchinyan, but Darchinyan is STILL the Undisputed Super Flyweight champion, Donaire has won another one of WBA's paper titles, they have like 4 in each division for gods sake, Darchinyan since losing to Donaire, went up in weight won 3 titles at Super Flyweight and beat Mijares and Arce both by TKO, yea he lost badly to Agbeko, but that was when he attempted to move up to yet another division, sorry Donaire is still one pace behind

[mad_takamura]

don't have Donaire, cause apart from beating Darchinyan he hasn't done shit really, on the other hand Darchinyan moved up and weight and owned it, and i have JMM in the #2 spot, still working out #18-30

donaire should be there too higher than darch. the reason for this was the recent beating agbeko gave to darch and nonito winning his second title, the wba 115 title, by coming up one division and outboxing a balooned, hard opponent in rafael concepcion.

Concepcion was a good win but, and it was his best opponent since Darchinyan, but Darchinyan is STILL the Undisputed Super Flyweight champion, Donaire has won another one of WBA's paper titles, they have like 4 in each division for gods sake, Darchinyan since losing to Donaire, went up in weight won 3 titles at Super Flyweight and beat Mijares and Arce both by TKO, yea he lost badly to Agbeko, but that was when he attempted to move up to yet another division, sorry Donaire is still one pace behind

yeah, thanks to the cowardice of these fighters donaire constantly called out but failed to show some nuts!
and add shaw's "snake management"! where is darch now? humbled while nonito is just adding to his pride! shaw must be fuming...

[ElTerribleMorales]

donaire should be there too higher than darch. the reason for this was the recent beating agbeko gave to darch and nonito winning his second title, the wba 115 title, by coming up one division and outboxing a balooned, hard opponent in rafael concepcion.

Concepcion was a good win but, and it was his best opponent since Darchinyan, but Darchinyan is STILL the Undisputed Super Flyweight champion, Donaire has won another one of WBA's paper titles, they have like 4 in each division for gods sake, Darchinyan since losing to Donaire, went up in weight won 3 titles at Super Flyweight and beat Mijares and Arce both by TKO, yea he lost badly to Agbeko, but that was when he attempted to move up to yet another division, sorry Donaire is still one pace behind

yeah, thanks to the cowardice of these fighters donaire constantly called out but failed to show some nuts!
and add shaw's "snake management"! where is darch now? humbled while nonito is just adding to his pride! shaw must be fuming...

anyone can call out anyone, doesn't mean they actually want the fight, hell look at David Haye, Donaire has yet to do anything impressive since beating Darchinyan, who wasn't at the level of success that he had since moving up from flyweight, again Donaire is still one step behind Darchinyan even at super flyweight, Donaire won a meaningless WBA title, he's one of like the 4 champs that the WBA has in that same division , yea Darchinyan lost, but he lost when he moved up yet again to another division, still holds his 3 world titles at super flyweight, meaning he's still ranked above Donaire

[Taeth]

I would have Donaire in there instead of Vic, but besides that and maybe having Berto in there instead of Arthur Abraham or Nate Campbell I think its a great list.

[gest12645]

Sry, I meant JML , Donaire has looked amazing in his last fights , I got him in the top 10 and ahead of Vic

[ElTerribleMorales]

Sry, I meant JML , Donaire has looked amazing in his last fights , I got him in the top 10 and ahead of Vic

he's looked amazing against bums, Darchinyan's looked great against world class opponents in Christian Mijares and Jorge Arce

[Taeth]

Mijares was overrated, Donaire would have beaten him worse, and Arce hasn't been world class in awhile.

JML I totally forgot about him, I would have him in the top 10 instead of Donaire who would then be 11.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Mijares was overrated, Donaire would have beaten him worse, and Arce hasn't been world class in awhile.

JML I totally forgot about him, I would have him in the top 10 instead of Donaire who would then be 11.

like you said when i would say a prime DLH would have beaten Manny, how do you know, it hasn't happened and no matter what way you put it, rankings go by accomplishments, and Donaire hasn't accomplished anything after the Darchinyan fight

[Julius Rain]

I was the one who ask you to make a top 30 p4p, it looks like your having a hard time at it.

Sry, I meant JML , Donaire has looked amazing in his last fights , I got him in the top 10 and ahead of Vic

he's looked amazing against bums, Darchinyan's looked great against world class opponents in Christian Mijares and Jorge Arce

Looked amazing against bums? so Darchinyan is a bum?

Mijares was overrated, Donaire would have beaten him worse, and Arce hasn't been world class in awhile.

JML I totally forgot about him, I would have him in the top 10 instead of Donaire who would then be 11.

like you said when i would say a prime DLH would have beaten Manny, how do you know, it hasn't happened and no matter what way you put it, rankings go by accomplishments, and Donaire hasn't accomplished anything after the Darchinyan fight

The p4p ranking isnt just about accomplishment, the opinion of who would beat who plays a big part at it too. the ring believes pound for pound (which means if all same weight) nonito would beat everybody in boxing besides the six fighters above him in the rankings.

Donaire hasn't accomplished anything after the darchinyan fight? Donaire defended his title three times and made it look easy. He completely outbox his oppenent and ends them.

You believe Darchinyan has accomplish way more, but the two big wins of him recently are mijares and arce. Well Mijares already dominate arce so fighting arce wasnt much addition to accompishment since he already dominated mijares.

oh by the way, weren't you saying raul martinez was going to defeat nonito? can you tell me your prediction in nonitos next fight against Cazares.

[Kev]

Mijares was overrated, Donaire would have beaten him worse, and Arce hasn't been world class in awhile.

JML I totally forgot about him, I would have him in the top 10 instead of Donaire who would then be 11.

How can either Doniare or JML realistically claim a p4p spot though? They may indeed be the two most talented fighters on the planet but they simply havn't beaten anyone and won the accolades necessary for p4p status yet imo.

Surely to be in the top p4p you need to have been mixing it with and beating world class opponents, winning multiple world titles, maybe conquering one or more weight divisions?

Donaire has only fought one single world class opponent, and he fought that opponent before he became a p4p star. Darchinyan rates above Nonito for me now because of what he has done since that loss in beating Mijares and Arce, moving up and becoming a multiple weight world champ.

Donaire is in the frankly bizarre situation of seeing his stock rise considerably in the past 2 years despite not doing anything at all. If he is p4p number 7 now surely he should have been p4p number 7 two years ago?

And whilst on this subject, how come Chris John isn't in the top 10 p4p seeing as he defeated arguably the p4p number 1 (according to many) J M Marquez? Why does he get no love?

Darchinyan is nowhere near comparable to Marquez in terms of status and talent but a two year old win over him is enough to catapault an otherwise complete unknown to 7th in the Ring rankings ahead of multiple weight and multi title world champs who have been mixing it at the very top against the world's very best like Dawson, Williams, Pavlik, Haye, Adamek etc.

Donaire's inclusion in the Ring top 10 really really bugs me, its such an undeserved ranking imo. JML should not be top 10 either, because he hasn't beaten the elite fighters or won mulitple world titles yet. He has amazing potential though.

Its laughable when you look at Darchinyan's opposition since Donaire and compare Donaires opposition with that.

Darchinyan has fought 5 times with 4 wins and 1 draw against genuine world rated and reigning world champion opposition, Z Gorres, Kirilov, Arce and Mijares is outstanding opposition and his next fight is against yet another world champ in Joseph Agbeko as Vic seeks to move up yet another weight class.

Meanwhile Donaire has fought 3 nobodies, with no world championship experience and who had not fought at the highest level (Maldonado had been ko'd in a world title fight but he was the only one to have got that far) and his next big step up fight is against a former 108 lber who twice lost to Ivan Calderon moving up from minimum weight.

What's annoying is that Donaire will get more props for beating Cazares than Vic will if he gets past the much tougher Agbeko.

Donaire should whup Cazares seeing as a 100 lb man in Calderon, arguably the lightest hitter in world boxing can beat him but I imagine he will probably win a 12 round war and people will hail it as a great thing.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Mijares was overrated, Donaire would have beaten him worse, and Arce hasn't been world class in awhile.

JML I totally forgot about him, I would have him in the top 10 instead of Donaire who would then be 11.

How can either Doniare or JML realistically claim a p4p spot though? They may indeed be the two most talented fighters on the planet but they simply havn't beaten anyone and won the accolades necessary for p4p status yet imo.

Surely to be in the top p4p you need to have been mixing it with and beating world class opponents, winning multiple world titles, maybe conquering one or more weight divisions?

Donaire has only fought one single world class opponent, and he fought that opponent before he became a p4p star. Darchinyan rates above Nonito for me now because of what he has done since that loss in beating Mijares and Arce, moving up and becoming a multiple weight world champ.

Donaire is in the frankly bizarre situation of seeing his stock rise considerably in the past 2 years despite not doing anything at all. If he is p4p number 7 now surely he should have been p4p number 7 two years ago?

And whilst on this subject, how come Chris John isn't in the top 10 p4p seeing as he defeated arguably the p4p number 1 (according to many) J M Marquez? Why does he get no love?

Darchinyan is nowhere near comparable to Marquez in terms of status and talent but a two year old win over him is enough to catapault an otherwise complete unknown to 7th in the Ring rankings ahead of multiple weight and multi title world champs who have been mixing it at the very top against the world's very best like Dawson, Williams, Pavlik, Haye, Adamek etc.

Donaire's inclusion in the Ring top 10 really really bugs me, its such an undeserved ranking imo. JML should not be top 10 either, because he hasn't beaten the elite fighters or won mulitple world titles yet. He has amazing potential though.

Its laughable when you look at Darchinyan's opposition since Donaire and compare Donaires opposition with that.

Darchinyan has fought 5 times with 4 wins and 1 draw against genuine world rated and reigning world champion opposition, Z Gorres, Kirilov, Arce and Mijares is outstanding opposition and his next fight is against yet another world champ in Joseph Agbeko as Vic seeks to move up yet another weight class.

Meanwhile Donaire has fought 3 nobodies, with no world championship experience and who had not fought at the highest level (Maldonado had been ko'd in a world title fight but he was the only one to have got that far) and his next big step up fight is against a former 108 lber who twice lost to Ivan Calderon moving up from minimum weight.

What's annoying is that Donaire will get more props for beating Cazares than Vic will if he gets past the much tougher Agbeko.

Donaire should whup Cazares seeing as a 100 lb man in Calderon, arguably the lightest hitter in world boxing can beat him but I imagine he will probably win a 12 round war and people will hail it as a great thing.

that's exactly what i'm trying to prove, both JML and Donaire have p4p potential no doubt, but neither deserve to be anywhere near the top 10, top 20 maybe, in the top 30 no doubt, but to have Donaire at #7 right now is a joke, and i'll go on the record right now, if Donaire doesn't knock out Cazares he's not as good as everyone thinks he is, Calderon who has pillow fists managed to rock Cazares, so if he lasts longer than 5 it'll be a dissapointment in my eyes honestly