KLITSCHKO vs CHAGAEV

[Violent Demise]

what hand does he jab with?

Wlad hardly throws a left

I think you're confused VD, Piye is saying that Haye could have some sucsess if he were to slip to the outside of Wlad's left hand and throw an overhand right at Wlad.

Did you misread his post or are you honestly telling us that Wlad doesn't throw his left hand much?

I don't consider his jab a left hand. He uses it as a range finder most of the time. When he does it's impossible to counter

I'm sure this is dependent on how fast you are.

You seen it get counter yet?

[piye]

I don't consider his jab a left hand. He uses it as a range finder most of the time. When he does it's impossible to counter

I'm sure this is dependent on how fast you are.

You seen it get counter yet?

Yes against Corrie Sanders and against Brewster and against Sam Peter etc.

[Violent Demise]

I'm sure this is dependent on how fast you are.

You seen it get counter yet?

Yes against Corrie Sanders and against Brewster and against Sam Peter etc.

You never saw those fights, did you? They had nothing to do with him being countered.

[AdamGB]

You seen it get counter yet?

Yes against Corrie Sanders and against Brewster and against Sam Peter etc.

You never saw those fights, did you? They had nothing to do with him being countered.

he never said that they were major factors in the fight, just that counters were landed at some point.

[piye]

You seen it get counter yet?

Yes against Corrie Sanders and against Brewster and against Sam Peter etc.

You never saw those fights, did you? They had nothing to do with him being countered.

lol, no I never watched the fights. blah, let me ask you this are you really happy with Wlad spearheading your favorite sport? I mean a Kids entertainer Brock Lesner is champ of UFC and is a much bigger name worldwide than Wlad. Wlad is a gentleman and a nice guy but he is really stopping the sport from having any cross over success in the heavyweight division.

[AdamGB]

He's a talented fighter but he sure as hell doesn't fight like a champ... I don't like fighters to just brawl but come on...

Tyson was more than just a brawler (early on anyway) and I wouldn't say that his opposition was much better than Wlad's... Wlad uses his superior size to basically fence with people until throwing out a cautious (if hard) right hand... Tyson wouldn't let them breath... they were inferior fighters to Tyson but the manor he dispatched of them is why Tyson is and would have still been a bigger name than Brock fucking Lesnar and why nobody really gives a damn about Wlad.

[Violent Demise]

Yes against Corrie Sanders and against Brewster and against Sam Peter etc.

You never saw those fights, did you? They had nothing to do with him being countered.

he never said that they were major factors in the fight, just that counters were landed at some point.

Learn to read between the lines. He listed them as if they contributed to his losses.

Yes against Corrie Sanders and against Brewster and against Sam Peter etc.

You never saw those fights, did you? They had nothing to do with him being countered.

lol, no I never watched the fights. blah, let me ask you this are you really happy with Wlad spearheading your favorite sport? I mean a Kids entertainer Brock Lesner is champ of UFC and is a much bigger name worldwide than Wlad. Wlad is a gentleman and a nice guy but he is really stopping the sport from having any cross over success in the heavyweight division.

So now it's Wlad fault his opponents can't beat him? Gimmie a fukking break. Wlad is what he is. Accept it.

Lesner a former pro wrestler became champ in what his 3rd or 4th fight? That pretty much says it all about the crap otherwise known as UFC

[AdamGB]

Learn to read between the lines. He listed them as if they contributed to his losses.

I'm not in the habbit of putting words or anything else for that matter into guy's mouths vd

Lesner a former pro wrestler became champ in what his 3rd or 4th fight? That pretty much says it all about the crap otherwise known as UFC

Yup... I remember when Kimbo Slice got beat the commentators were going wild about it as if Buster Douglas had just Dethroned Tyson all over again... The guy is an aging back yard boxer who'd had like 2 fights or something... what a joke.

[LEGION]

[quote=AdamGB;749636]

he never said that they were major factors in the fight, just that counters were landed at some point.

Learn to read between the lines. He listed them as if they contributed to his losses.[/quotes]

I'm not in the habbit of putting words or anything else for that matter into guy's mouths vd

God I'm glad you covered that base or VD would have been all over that

[Violent Demise]

Learn to read between the lines. He listed them as if they contributed to his losses.

I'm not in the habbit of putting words or anything else for that matter into guy's mouths vd

Of course not. There usually putting it in yours

Lesner a former pro wrestler became champ in what his 3rd or 4th fight? That pretty much says it all about the crap otherwise known as UFC

Yup... I remember when Kimbo Slice got beat the commentators were going wild about it as if Buster Douglas had just Dethroned Tyson all over again... The guy is an aging back yard boxer who'd had like 2 fights or something... what a joke.

Exactly. And where is Slice now? Trying out for the UFC.

[piye]

You never saw those fights, did you? They had nothing to do with him being countered.

he never said that they were major factors in the fight, just that counters were landed at some point.

Learn to read between the lines. He listed them as if they contributed to his losses.

You never saw those fights, did you? They had nothing to do with him being countered.

lol, no I never watched the fights. blah, let me ask you this are you really happy with Wlad spearheading your favorite sport? I mean a Kids entertainer Brock Lesner is champ of UFC and is a much bigger name worldwide than Wlad. Wlad is a gentleman and a nice guy but he is really stopping the sport from having any cross over success in the heavyweight division.

So now it's Wlad fault his opponents can't beat him? Gimmie a fukking break. Wlad is what he is. Accept it.

Lesner a former pro wrestler became champ in what his 3rd or 4th fight? That pretty much says it all about the crap otherwise known as UFC

Ok mate don't swear relax! it's not that serious , listen you blatently let your hate for any thing British affect your opinion of fights so why am I discussing this with you? you are not really looking at it with any common sense. Wlad is a terrible champ for a sport that is supposed to be primarily entertaining. ANd what I watched to night was not entertainment. Lesner (No I do not watch UFC) is entertaining and that is why he was given a shot and is now champ.

Wlad is not responsible for his opponents being unable to beat him. But it's clear that as regular as Wlad uses that jab someone fast enough (Not many heavyweights) will counter it and make him pay.

Has Wlad ever fought anyone as fast as Haye?

[Violent Demise]

he never said that they were major factors in the fight, just that counters were landed at some point.

Learn to read between the lines. He listed them as if they contributed to his losses.

lol, no I never watched the fights. blah, let me ask you this are you really happy with Wlad spearheading your favorite sport? I mean a Kids entertainer Brock Lesner is champ of UFC and is a much bigger name worldwide than Wlad. Wlad is a gentleman and a nice guy but he is really stopping the sport from having any cross over success in the heavyweight division.

So now it's Wlad fault his opponents can't beat him? Gimmie a fukking break. Wlad is what he is. Accept it.

Lesner a former pro wrestler became champ in what his 3rd or 4th fight? That pretty much says it all about the crap otherwise known as UFC

Ok mate don't swear relax! it's not that serious , listen you blatently let your hate for any thing British affect your opinion of fights so why am I discussing this with you? you are not really looking at it with any common sense. Wlad is a terrible champ for a sport that is supposed to be primarily entertaining. ANd what I watched to night was not entertainment. Lesner (No I do not watch UFC) is entertaining and that is why he was given a shot and is now champ.

Wlad is not responsible for his opponents being unable to beat him. But it's clear that as regular as Wlad uses that jab someone fast enough (Not many heavyweights) will counter it and make him pay.

Has Wlad ever fought anyone as fast as Haye?

No he hasn't. But it don't matter. For all his speed, Haye ain't exactly to hard to hit. Haye got away with his style of fighting before cuz he was fighting fighters his own size or smaller. Against Wlad that style is sucide.

Question for you. Has Haye ever faced someone as strong as Wlad?

[amat]

he never said that they were major factors in the fight, just that counters were landed at some point.

Learn to read between the lines. He listed them as if they contributed to his losses.

lol, no I never watched the fights. blah, let me ask you this are you really happy with Wlad spearheading your favorite sport? I mean a Kids entertainer Brock Lesner is champ of UFC and is a much bigger name worldwide than Wlad. Wlad is a gentleman and a nice guy but he is really stopping the sport from having any cross over success in the heavyweight division.

So now it's Wlad fault his opponents can't beat him? Gimmie a fukking break. Wlad is what he is. Accept it.

Lesner a former pro wrestler became champ in what his 3rd or 4th fight? That pretty much says it all about the crap otherwise known as UFC

Ok mate don't swear relax! it's not that serious , listen you blatently let your hate for any thing British affect your opinion of fights so why am I discussing this with you? you are not really looking at it with any common sense. Wlad is a terrible champ for a sport that is supposed to be primarily entertaining. ANd what I watched to night was not entertainment. Lesner (No I do not watch UFC) is entertaining and that is why he was given a shot and is now champ.

Wlad is not responsible for his opponents being unable to beat him. But it's clear that as regular as Wlad uses that jab someone fast enough (Not many heavyweights) will counter it and make him pay.

Has Wlad ever fought anyone as fast as Haye?

It's not as simple as that, it's going to take a lot more then just someone who is fast to counter Wlad's jab. I don't even think that's the way to go, counterpunching because one, it's tough to beat him to the punch with that jab of his and because he controls distance so well. Plus he has many different types of jabs that he uses and he was even feinting Chagaev open and countering with a stiff jab, great stuff. I think Haye has a chance to beat Wlad because he is fast and maybe he can close that distance quicker then the rest and he won't be afraid to open up from the outside. Still, Wlad looked to be the real deal tonight on 2 punches even though he was cautious, cautious wins sometimes and it's possible that Klitschko needs that caution.