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[paddy448]

ok this may seem like a random thread, but duran for me is the greatest fighter i have ever seen, sure there have been better boxers but im talking about a fighter,can anyone agree with me on the difference between a boxer and a fighter, ive brought this thread up because i just watched one of my many duran dvds again and i cant help thinking of the possible dream matchups i would love to see him in against other great fighters that wasnt around in his time, may i ask u guys for fights ud love to see him in or just comments on what u loved about this great warrior, how would u see him fairing in fights today agaisnt the top guys from lightweight to middleweight, e.g marquez, mayweather, pacman,cotto,mosley, margarito,cambell,guzman,prime de la hoya, cant think of any middleweights worth mentioning to be honest and from yester year the great chavez, sweat pea, hawk time pryor, prime tyszu, the list goes on and on.i need to stop or ill never finish this thread

[ICB]

ok this may seem like a random thread, but duran for me is the greatest fighter i have ever seen, sure there have been better boxers but im talking about a fighter,can anyone agree with me on the difference between a boxer and a fighter, ive brought this thread up because i just watched one of my many duran dvds again and i cant help thinking of the possible dream matchups i would love to see him in against other great fighters that wasnt around in his time, may i ask u guys for fights ud love to see him in or just comments on what u loved about this great warrior, how would u see him fairing in fights today agaisnt the top guys from lightweight to middleweight, e.g marquez, mayweather, pacman,cotto,mosley, margarito,cambell,guzman,prime de la hoya, cant think of any middleweights worth mentioning to be honest and from yester year the great chavez, sweat pea, hawk time pryor, prime tyszu, the list goes on and on.i need to stop or ill never finish this thread

Roberto Duran was a great fighter but he did struggle against boxers, losses to Kirkland Laing, Robbie Simms, are a bit unforgivable. And its not like he was a shot fighter when he lost those fights either.

At Lightweight he was amazing and he had some very good wins, but again i don't feel it was anything amazing. Its the way he comeback like against Davey Moore, Iran Barkley, ETC. That made him special IMO.

But i always liked watching a prime Julio Cesar Chavez more, he was like an artist at work when he went to the body. Just amazing stuff to watch.

But as for your thread the fighters that would of beat Roberto Duran IMO are.

Lightweight:

Pernell Whitaker
Shane Mosley
Floyd Mayweather Jr

Jr Welterweight:

Meldrick Taylor

Welterweight:

Donald Curry
Felix Trinidad
Paul Williams

Jr Middleweight:

Mike McCallum
Julian Jackson
Terry Norris

Middleweight:

James Toney
Roy Jones Jr
Bernard Hopkins
Gerald McClellan
Michael Nunn

And by the way i done present fighters or fighters around the time of Roberto Duran, not past fighters otherwise that would take all day to think of that many and work it all out.

[ElTerribleMorales]

ok this may seem like a random thread, but duran for me is the greatest fighter i have ever seen, sure there have been better boxers but im talking about a fighter,can anyone agree with me on the difference between a boxer and a fighter, ive brought this thread up because i just watched one of my many duran dvds again and i cant help thinking of the possible dream matchups i would love to see him in against other great fighters that wasnt around in his time, may i ask u guys for fights ud love to see him in or just comments on what u loved about this great warrior, how would u see him fairing in fights today agaisnt the top guys from lightweight to middleweight, e.g marquez, mayweather, pacman,cotto,mosley, margarito,cambell,guzman,prime de la hoya, cant think of any middleweights worth mentioning to be honest and from yester year the great chavez, sweat pea, hawk time pryor, prime tyszu, the list goes on and on.i need to stop or ill never finish this thread

Roberto Duran was a great fighter but he did struggle against boxers, losses to Kirkland Laing, Robbie Simms, are a bit unforgivable. And its not like he was a shot fighter when he lost those fights either.

At Lightweight he was amazing and he had some very good wins, but again i don't feel it was anything amazing. Its the way he comeback like against Davey Moore, Iran Barkley, ETC. That made him special IMO.

But i always liked watching a prime Julio Cesar Chavez more, he was like an artist at work when he went to the body. Just amazing stuff to watch.

But as for your thread the fighters that would of beat Roberto Duran IMO are.

Lightweight:

Pernell Whitaker
Shane Mosley
Floyd Mayweather Jr

Jr Welterweight:

Meldrick Taylor

Welterweight:

Donald Curry
Felix Trinidad
Paul Williams

Jr Middleweight:

Mike McCallum
Julian Jackson
Terry Norris

Middleweight:

James Toney
Roy Jones Jr
Bernard Hopkins
Gerald McClellan
Michael Nunn

And by the way i done present fighters or fighters around the time of Roberto Duran, not past fighters otherwise that would take all day to think of that many and work it all out.

honestly i think he'd have a good chance against Mosley, Trinidad, Norris (a bit chinny at times, and wasn't very consistant, but if he had his shit together, it'd be a 60/40 fight in favor of Norris), Jackson (also chinny), and Nunn, also i think DLH would of outboxed him at 147

[paddy448]

ok this may seem like a random thread, but duran for me is the greatest fighter i have ever seen, sure there have been better boxers but im talking about a fighter,can anyone agree with me on the difference between a boxer and a fighter, ive brought this thread up because i just watched one of my many duran dvds again and i cant help thinking of the possible dream matchups i would love to see him in against other great fighters that wasnt around in his time, may i ask u guys for fights ud love to see him in or just comments on what u loved about this great warrior, how would u see him fairing in fights today agaisnt the top guys from lightweight to middleweight, e.g marquez, mayweather, pacman,cotto,mosley, margarito,cambell,guzman,prime de la hoya, cant think of any middleweights worth mentioning to be honest and from yester year the great chavez, sweat pea, hawk time pryor, prime tyszu, the list goes on and on.i need to stop or ill never finish this thread

Roberto Duran was a great fighter but he did struggle against boxers, losses to Kirkland Laing, Robbie Simms, are a bit unforgivable. And its not like he was a shot fighter when he lost those fights either.

At Lightweight he was amazing and he had some very good wins, but again i don't feel it was anything amazing. Its the way he comeback like against Davey Moore, Iran Barkley, ETC. That made him special IMO.

But i always liked watching a prime Julio Cesar Chavez more, he was like an artist at work when he went to the body. Just amazing stuff to watch.

But as for your thread the fighters that would of beat Roberto Duran IMO are.

Lightweight:

Pernell Whitaker
Shane Mosley
Floyd Mayweather Jr

Jr Welterweight:

Meldrick Taylor

Welterweight:

Donald Curry
Felix Trinidad
Paul Williams

Jr Middleweight:

Mike McCallum
Julian Jackson
Terry Norris

Middleweight:

James Toney
Roy Jones Jr
Bernard Hopkins
Gerald McClellan
Michael Nunn

And by the way i done present fighters or fighters around the time of Roberto Duran, not past fighters otherwise that would take all day to think of that many and work it all out.

good post buddy, i can agree with u pickin those guys from jr middleweight to middleweight to beat duran because those were not his best fighting weights even tho he looked sensational in beating moore and barkley,i think most those guys would beat him due to natural size. however when it comes to lightweights i have to disagree,for me duran is the greatest lightweight to ever step inside the ring. i can see ur logic tho shane mosley, mr mayweather,and especially sweat pea are all up there i do think duran would be to much for them tho, perhaps not skill wise,just his ferocity, and that very underated defence he had, he was very cute and clever in the way he went about his work u could even say there was a method to his madness. i cant even bring myself to mention meldrick taylor coz i m still mad over the chavez fight, and his deterioration after that

[paddy448]

shit i forgot about the welters, only williams would give him trouble out of the three u mentoned icb. but id still favour duran call me crazy, trinidad and curry not a prayer

[paddy448]

whats ur prediction on a fight between duran and pacman at 135,140 and 147. come to think of it i remember seeing an interview on espn with freddie roach and viewers were textin in with questions for freddie and one person asked him who would u favour in a fight at lightweight between duran and manny and to my surprise freddie replied and said duran would win. was not expecting that. its on youtube if u wanna check it out

[ICB]

ok this may seem like a random thread, but duran for me is the greatest fighter i have ever seen, sure there have been better boxers but im talking about a fighter,can anyone agree with me on the difference between a boxer and a fighter, ive brought this thread up because i just watched one of my many duran dvds again and i cant help thinking of the possible dream matchups i would love to see him in against other great fighters that wasnt around in his time, may i ask u guys for fights ud love to see him in or just comments on what u loved about this great warrior, how would u see him fairing in fights today agaisnt the top guys from lightweight to middleweight, e.g marquez, mayweather, pacman,cotto,mosley, margarito,cambell,guzman,prime de la hoya, cant think of any middleweights worth mentioning to be honest and from yester year the great chavez, sweat pea, hawk time pryor, prime tyszu, the list goes on and on.i need to stop or ill never finish this thread

Roberto Duran was a great fighter but he did struggle against boxers, losses to Kirkland Laing, Robbie Simms, are a bit unforgivable. And its not like he was a shot fighter when he lost those fights either.

At Lightweight he was amazing and he had some very good wins, but again i don't feel it was anything amazing. Its the way he comeback like against Davey Moore, Iran Barkley, ETC. That made him special IMO.

But i always liked watching a prime Julio Cesar Chavez more, he was like an artist at work when he went to the body. Just amazing stuff to watch.

But as for your thread the fighters that would of beat Roberto Duran IMO are.

Lightweight:

Pernell Whitaker
Shane Mosley
Floyd Mayweather Jr

Jr Welterweight:

Meldrick Taylor

Welterweight:

Donald Curry
Felix Trinidad
Paul Williams

Jr Middleweight:

Mike McCallum
Julian Jackson
Terry Norris

Middleweight:

James Toney
Roy Jones Jr
Bernard Hopkins
Gerald McClellan
Michael Nunn

And by the way i done present fighters or fighters around the time of Roberto Duran, not past fighters otherwise that would take all day to think of that many and work it all out.

honestly i think he'd have a good chance against Mosley, Trinidad, Norris (a bit chinny at times, and wasn't very consistant, but if he had his shit together, it'd be a 60/40 fight in favor of Norris), Jackson (also chinny), and Nunn, also i think DLH would of outboxed him at 147

Nah Felix Trinidad is too big for Roberto Duran, he was a beast at Welterweight. The size difference is too much for Roberto Duran to overcome.

Shane Mosley would of been too fast, he had unreal speed at Lightweight. And plenty of wallop to go along with that speed.

We are talking about Terry Norris at his best here as you said, the Terry Norris that beat Sugar Ray Leonard or Simon Brown. Would of been too big, too fast, too skillful.

I don't think Michael Nunn was chinny he was only stopped once, by one of the best punches i've ever seen. And he still got up from that, the Michael Nunn that beat Sumbu Kalambay, or any of his fights previous to that.

Would of beaten Roberto Duran badly IMO, he is 6'3. He is a southpaw. He's fast, he's slick, and he hit harder than he's credited for. This may of been the worst style match up for Roberto Duran, out of the opponents listed.

And finally Julian Jackson again he may be chinny, but his power is just unreal. And i don't care how good Roberto Duran is. Theres no way the smaller Roberto Duran would be able to take Julian Jackson's best punch.

[ICB]

ok this may seem like a random thread, but duran for me is the greatest fighter i have ever seen, sure there have been better boxers but im talking about a fighter,can anyone agree with me on the difference between a boxer and a fighter, ive brought this thread up because i just watched one of my many duran dvds again and i cant help thinking of the possible dream matchups i would love to see him in against other great fighters that wasnt around in his time, may i ask u guys for fights ud love to see him in or just comments on what u loved about this great warrior, how would u see him fairing in fights today agaisnt the top guys from lightweight to middleweight, e.g marquez, mayweather, pacman,cotto,mosley, margarito,cambell,guzman,prime de la hoya, cant think of any middleweights worth mentioning to be honest and from yester year the great chavez, sweat pea, hawk time pryor, prime tyszu, the list goes on and on.i need to stop or ill never finish this thread

Roberto Duran was a great fighter but he did struggle against boxers, losses to Kirkland Laing, Robbie Simms, are a bit unforgivable. And its not like he was a shot fighter when he lost those fights either.

At Lightweight he was amazing and he had some very good wins, but again i don't feel it was anything amazing. Its the way he comeback like against Davey Moore, Iran Barkley, ETC. That made him special IMO.

But i always liked watching a prime Julio Cesar Chavez more, he was like an artist at work when he went to the body. Just amazing stuff to watch.

But as for your thread the fighters that would of beat Roberto Duran IMO are.

Lightweight:

Pernell Whitaker
Shane Mosley
Floyd Mayweather Jr

Jr Welterweight:

Meldrick Taylor

Welterweight:

Donald Curry
Felix Trinidad
Paul Williams

Jr Middleweight:

Mike McCallum
Julian Jackson
Terry Norris

Middleweight:

James Toney
Roy Jones Jr
Bernard Hopkins
Gerald McClellan
Michael Nunn

And by the way i done present fighters or fighters around the time of Roberto Duran, not past fighters otherwise that would take all day to think of that many and work it all out.

good post buddy, i can agree with u pickin those guys from jr middleweight to middleweight to beat duran because those were not his best fighting weights even tho he looked sensational in beating moore and barkley,i think most those guys would beat him due to natural size. however when it comes to lightweights i have to disagree,for me duran is the greatest lightweight to ever step inside the ring. i can see ur logic tho shane mosley, mr mayweather,and especially sweat pea are all up there i do think duran would be to much for them tho, perhaps not skill wise,just his ferocity, and that very underated defence he had, he was very cute and clever in the way he went about his work u could even say there was a method to his madness. i cant even bring myself to mention meldrick taylor coz i m still mad over the chavez fight, and his deterioration after that

Nah can't agree with you there buddy, Roberto Duran struggled against boxers. He also got beaten badly by a defensive wizard in Wilfred Benitez.

And i think Floyd Mayweather Jr, Pernell Whitaker. Are better defense fighters than Wilfred Benitez, which isn't no disrespect to Wilfred Benitez who was one of the best defensive fighters.

But Floyd Mayweather Jr at the lower weightclasses, really looked unbeatable IMO. And he also had power to go along with it.

Pernell Whitaker at Lightweight was incredible, and he was able to beat very good come forward fighters in Jose Luis Ramirez, Azumah Nelson. I don't see Roberto Duran being able to beat Pernell Whitaker at Lightweight.

He would frustrate Roberto Duran and win a decision IMO, just like Wilfred Benitez did against Roberto Duran.

If Meldrick Taylor could box and not get lured into a brawl, i think he could beat Roberto Duran similar to how Kirkland Laing beat Roberto Duran. If you watch his fight with Buddy McGirt.

You can see he can box for 12 rounds if he wants to. And that version of Meldrick Taylor would beat Roberto Duran IMO.

[ICB]

shit i forgot about the welters, only williams would give him trouble out of the three u mentoned icb. but id still favour duran call me crazy, trinidad and curry not a prayer

You gotta take size into account here mate. Paul Williams is 6'1. And he has an 82 inch reach. How would the 5'7 Roberto Duran with his 66 inch reach win ?

Felix Trinidad himself is 5'11 and is simply too big for Roberto Duran, and he would win in a toe to toe match up.

Donald Curry was special before he lost to Lloyd Honeyghan, you gotta watch some prime Donald Curry. He was a brilliant technical boxer, it was like watching a surgeon go to work when he was at his best.

[ICB]

whats ur prediction on a fight between duran and pacman at 135,140 and 147. come to think of it i remember seeing an interview on espn with freddie roach and viewers were textin in with questions for freddie and one person asked him who would u favour in a fight at lightweight between duran and manny and to my surprise freddie replied and said duran would win. was not expecting that. its on youtube if u wanna check it out

Yea Roberto Duran would win, he's too much of an animal for Manny Pacquiao. Manny Pacquiao would be in a place he's never been in before, and would be stopped late on.

[paddy448]

shit i forgot about the welters, only williams would give him trouble out of the three u mentoned icb. but id still favour duran call me crazy, trinidad and curry not a prayer

You gotta take size into account here mate. Paul Williams is 6'1. And he has an 82 inch reach. How would the 5'7 Roberto Duran with his 66 inch reach win ?

Felix Trinidad himself is 5'11 and is simply too big for Roberto Duran, and he would win in a toe to toe match up.

Donald Curry was special before he lost to Lloyd Honeyghan, you gotta watch some prime Donald Curry. He was a brilliant technical boxer, it was like watching a surgeon go to work when he was at his best.

ur very wise in ur posts mate u definately no ur boxing. i agree with u on paul williams due to his size.i do think duran would find a way tho, i no the comment sounds totally crazy, il admit my love for a certain fighter especially duran bein my favourite ever, it can cloud my judgement as in i dont want to contemplate him losing to some of these fighters u mention, im guilty of that. donald curry ive seen a enough of him to agree with u on his skill set, i still cant belive how faded he looked against rasta man honeygon tho. i need to be real here and say at lightweight for me duran on his day and lets not forget he had a lot off days,but on his absolute wrecking ball sinister best,at lightweight he was the man. when he stepped out from that division yes he was vunerable not really due to other fighters in the higher divisions being better than him i think it was just there natural size that got the better of him. duran could of stayed at lightweight for so much longer i think but he loved to live life(nothing wrong with that) and i think he just didint want the ball ache of boilin down to the weight anymore therefore why he moved up in weights like he did. lets not forget tho he pushed marvin hagler very close up at middleweight. for me even tho he lost was one of his best fights.he was very effective in the higher weights at times, but saying that he had some bad days at the office like hearns,benitez and so on. what im trying to say is i think the main thing that beat duran during his career was weight in more ways than one. and yeah i agree i think duran would take pacman to a scary place at any weight even that catch weight shit that roach always tries to pull off.all in all tho he has to be top 5 top 10 all time greatest ever i even hear people sayin hes top 3. he certainly had a mammoth career. i would die a happy man with half of what he achieved. WHAT FUKKIN FIGHTER no one can deny that

[paddy448]

oh yeah and lets not forget he gave sugar ray leonard his only loss. and by the way icb even tho trinidad was bigger and and stonger than duran at middleweight i think trinidad would be to 1 dimensional for duran. duran would just be that much smarter than trinidad. peace

[BoomBoom]

Duran was a beast, one of the greatest fighters of all time, top 5. Yeah he could be beat, but every fighter can be beat. Sure he lost to a very good version of Liang, but if he fought him again I would favor Duran to win. But in a 5 decade career, any fighter will have off days and lose fights, or fight someone who fights a great fight. Most ATG fighters have lost fights to lesser opponents, mainly because most ATG have a lot of fights and fought a lot of good opposition . A far as who beats Duran in history, im sure there are some that could have, but Id favor a 100% motivated and prepared Duran over just about anyone. Whittaker would have given him some problems imo, but hed give anyone problems.

[paddy448]

sorry meant trinidad at welter. need to get my facts right lol

[paddy448]

Duran was a beast, one of the greatest fighters of all time, top 5. Yeah he could be beat, but every fighter can be beat. Sure he lost to a very good version of Liang, but if he fought him again I would favor Duran to win. But in a 5 decade career, any fighter will have off days and lose fights, or fight someone who fights a great fight. Most ATG fighters have lost fights to lesser opponents, mainly because most ATG have a lot of fights and fought a lot of good opposition . A far as who beats Duran in history, im sure there are some that could have, but Id favor a 100% motivated and prepared Duran over just about anyone. Whittaker would have given him some problems imo, but hed give anyone problems.

totally agreed there mate.a fully prepared and motivated duran would beat most people from 135 to 147 and higher in any time in history. i often think of duran vs mayweather. i think mayweather is unbelievable and so smart i cant see him losing to anybody in and around his weight division today. hes just too good not every ones cup of tea. but if i had to choose a style out of anyone in history id want mayweathers just the hit and not get hit nature of it. u no for a fact when he does retire he will not suffer any of the related diseases that come with the aftermath of a career in the ring. in his whole career when all is said and done he would of took the same amount of punches that most fighters take in one fight. however thats not to say its my favourite style. anyway getting back to mayweather vs duran and yeah lets have it at lightweight coz thats there best divisions for me. im picking duran.does any one agree with this