Why Blame Floyd For Being Smart About Business?

[generalbulldog]

I have to disagree here. 20 years from now people will say the same thing they are saying now. We all know he's an amazing fighter, one of the best ever! But he chose not to take the best fights or biggest tests out there.

Pacman fans wants to disregard Floyd having only 16 or 17 fights when he was still very green in fighting Genaro Hernandez and after that Angel Manfreddy when he was just 21 and turned pro in just 2 years! Nor do they want to remember about the Undefeated Chico Corrales who was favored to beat Floyd. Not surprising isn't it when they say he hasn't taken the best fights out there when he was putting it all on the line just being on HBO and not mega Pay Per View Events in his early career, with the exception of the Corrales fight.

It hasn't been that long and people are already criticizing Roy Jones now for not having a hard enough record. Maybe general fans will see him as an almighty undefeated fighter, but real boxing fans will remember how we felt at this day and time.

Who are the people that are criticizing Roy Jones Career? IMO it's the same people that criticize the careers of Pernell Whittaker, Julio Cesar Chavez, etc. I sure wonder what's the connection there?

I've said this before but I totally agree with you when it comes to Floyd being a good businessman. He takes the least amount of risk for the most amount of money. But "boxing" fans want to see the best fight the best and Floyd isn't doing that

Yeah Floyd wasn't taking any risks fighting for a few grand taking on Genaro Hernandez with only 16 or 17 fights in his career and right after that Angel Manfreddy at a very green stage and at 21 years old no less.

Each one of the statements about Manny and Floyd's opposition are true. You can make someone look incredibly good or bad, all depending on your mindset. But all-in-all to not give either man respect of credit just shows the utmost ignorance.

Yeah and you're comment about Floyd just taking the best money fights out there without risk wasn't ignorance right?

AND about your Torrencampo comment, that's just ignorance man. People who bring up Pac's early two losses to compare to his abilities now are easily haters.

Here's the difference in talent between Manny and Floyd. Floyd was an world champion and had fought 2 very dangerous opponents before he had even 19 fights. Manny was getting knocked out at the same stage. And both were still very green in their early careers.

AND on another one of your comments about Pac fighting Shane or Cotto under the welterweight limit for their titles, when were their titles ever brought up in negotiations? There are catchweights but titles won't be on the line unless it's fought at 147.

Who knows maybe Manny will pull a Leonard-Lalonde catchweight to fight for a world title or another example would be Oscar-Hopkins fight. I wouldn't rule it out.

I just looked at your started threads bulldog, and you seem to be trying to work people up and have hidden agendas. You remind me a lot of another poster who was just recently banned here. The only difference was one was a Pac worshipper and you are the polar opposite.
I just thought it was funny about the similarities of your threads.

I remember starting a catch weight thread and a thread about bringing back fight night weigh ins but I guess the fans of Manny thought I was insulting him. Just like this thread is about Floyd and I only mentioned Manny's name in that he doesn't have to fight him or Cotto or anyone else but make as much money as possible and split. But the fans of Manny came in and said Floyd has no skills and fought bums all his life. And let's be honest now, since Floyd is considered to be still the default p4p champ Pac fans have to come into every thread that has Floyds name to call him a bum. This thread was about him being smart and selective who he fights now in the latter stages of his career. But I guess Pac fans don't want to look at fights with David Diaz as being cherry picking right? But I sure wonder why they do it to Floyd.

[C-Lo]

I never criticized Floyd's early career. I don't like what he's been doing lately, but his road to the top was a difficult one. I thought he was exciting to watch and fought the dangerous fighters. When I was nit-picking his wins I was making an example of how you can make anyone sounds less than they are. I didn't mean those things, again, just making an example.

You should've been here for the Jones vs Calzaghe fight. That's when people criticized his resume. Again, I'm not holding anything against him, just another example.

You said to me, "Yeah and you're comment about Floyd just taking the best money fights out there without risk wasn't ignorance right?" Ignorance?! C'mon man, Floyd said it himself with his interview with Brian Kenny, he doesn't fight for bragging rights, he's fighting for money.

The whole catchweight for the welterweight title, if it happens that way, I won't give it much respect because I believe if Pac wants that welterweight title he should fight at 147. Until that becomes an issue, don't bring it up.

And when did I ever call Floyd a bum?! I've said it before and I'll say it again, you're labeling the wrong guy as a "Pacfan." I used to be a Floyd fan, so if you don't think I see it from both ends of the argument then you are way off. I'm just pointing out that you're looking at the two with tunnel vision in favor of Floyd.

[Gandalf]

I don't care if Floyd is smart about business. As a boxing fan all I really care about is that quality matchups are made between fighters and it can't be denied that Floyd has been cherrypicking a fair bit in recent years. We shouldn't be spoonfed mismatches just because the advantaged fighter thinks they can get away with it. And Floyd does try it, and he does get away with it. He's a poof and should fight a proper WW.