Why Blame Floyd For Being Smart About Business?

[C-Lo]

Well, I don't blame him as a businessman but as a fighter he is no longer fighting the better competition. He is much like DLH was in the latter part of his career. They are now just businessmen who happen to fight. Floyd just happens to be spectacular at it. Could be the all time best but we'll never know. Thats what riles fans up. Even the ones who push for him want to have something more to cement their claim for him.

He still says he is the best mate that's why I can't stand the guy at times.

Yep. This is it.

I have no problem with a boxer being smart business-wise. It's a dangerous sport, so a fighter should try to make as much money as possible with as little risk as possible.

However, if you're going to claim that you're one of the best of all-time (as Floyd does) then you open yourself up to having your list of opponents questioned.

I have no problem with a business man who doesnm,t want to take risk but I definitely have a problem with a clown who's actions aren,t going in the same direction as his runningmouth.

Those last three comments I bolded are huge reasons why I'm losing respect for him. To be honest, I know I'm not the only poster here who used to be big Floyd fans but are gradually becoming less and less of one.

Really? You're supporting this behavior?

From a business point of view I would fight guys like Marquez for 15 mil than fight guys like Cotto, Pacman (catchweight), Mosley for a few mil more that can take away my 0 from the loss column. Mark my words it's going to be Hatton-Mayweather 2 at Wembley on HBO PPV or Khan-Mayweather at a catch weight. He'll be making over 30 mil easy for those 2 fights with PPV percentage he receives.

This is a business, point blank. Floyd has nothing to prove. 6 time champ in 5 divisions. That's his resume. He's the best pound for pound fighter of this generation. Boxing history will say that. They're not going to say anything about his opponents. They'll look at that big fat 0 next to his loss column and argue that.

How important is that big fat 0? Take Rocky Marciano for example, fight fans are still saying that he would beat a prime Ali and that he kicked Joe Louis ass and beat up Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott, and Archie Moore. And that he is the greatest heavyweight champion ever or arguing that. But what they don't see was that everyone of these boxing greats were well past their primes. Only hardcore fans see that. Casual sports and fight fans just know that Joe Louis got his ass kicked but they didn't know that Joe Louis was basically shot with no handspeed, accuracy, endurance, quick reflexes that he lost at age 37. Even boxing historians hardly mentioned that. They just say Marciano kicked his ass and knocked him through the ropes.

That's how important that big fat 0 is. It forms a different perception. All Money Floyd has to do is take fights like Marquez an blown up featherweight kicked his ass and say I beat an all time great that gave the other p4p champion of that era all kinds of trouble. Ain't no one going to argue that 20 years from now. They will just look at the big fat 0 and the 6 time champ in 5 classes.

I have to disagree here. 20 years from now people will say the same thing they are saying now. We all know he's an amazing fighter, one of the best ever! But he chose not to take the best fights or biggest tests out there.

It hasn't been that long and people are already criticizing Roy Jones now for not having a hard enough record. Maybe general fans will see him as an almighty undefeated fighter, but real boxing fans will remember how we felt at this day and time.

I've said this before but I totally agree with you when it comes to Floyd being a good businessman. He takes the least amount of risk for the most amount of money. But "boxing" fans want to see the best fight the best and Floyd isn't doing that

Floyd will eventually realize that he is now a garbage. He'll always be known as a guy who avoided threatening opponents in his league to keep his record and untarnished.

Genero Hernandez, Angel Manfreddy, Unbeaten Diego Corrales, an dangerous opponent in Zab Judah, giving up significant weight advantages to his opponents on fight night like Delahoya, Baldomir, etc. Also was the first to KO Hatton.

Whereas Manny beats over the hill fighters like Morales 2 that lost to Raheem. An MAB that was in so many wars already. Beating an weight drain Delahoya, beatin up on Hatton which Floyd already did. And Floyd's numbers for the same 2 opponents are significantly better tahn Mannys. Floyd don't fight weight drain opponents and that's a fact.

Not to mention the most physically gifted fighter since Roy Jones and the best defensive fighter in the game. The way Manny fights and takes so many hits to the head, he's going to wind up like Freddie Roach.

And another thing, Floyd doesn't get KO by bum fighters named Torrecampo or however you spell it.

Quinto's post is a bit out there. Everyone knows Floyd is a SICK fighter! That's just ignorance. Sorry but that's just hater talk.

Bulldog, again, you gotta look at it from another perspective. I can easily say these things about Floyd's resume. Judah was always a mentally weak fighter, De La Hoya always blew the big fights, Corrales was a chinny fighter, Baldomir was just a journeyman, Hatton was a smaller man, ETC. Do I believe those things? No, but if you're nit picking someone, I can easily say them.

Pac on the other hand fought first-ballot hall of famers and arguably the best Mexican fighters ever in Morales, Barrera, and Marquez, he also beat the much bigger man in Oscar De La Hoya, and the lineal light welterweight Champion in Hatton, who was also undefeated at the weight class. Was it as simple as that? No! But if you want to make someone sound like a God, you can also do that.

Each one of the statements about Manny and Floyd's opposition are true. You can make someone look incredibly good or bad, all depending on your mindset. But all-in-all to not give either man respect of credit just shows the utmost ignorance.

AND about your Torrencampo comment, that's just ignorance man. People who bring up Pac's early two losses to compare to his abilities now are easily haters.

AND on another one of your comments about Pac fighting Shane or Cotto under the welterweight limit for their titles, when were their titles ever brought up in negotiations? There are catchweights but titles won't be on the line unless it's fought at 147.

[C-Lo]

I just looked at your started threads bulldog, and you seem to be trying to work people up and have hidden agendas. You remind me a lot of another poster who was just recently banned here. The only difference was one was a Pac worshipper and you are the polar opposite.

I just thought it was funny about the similarities of your threads.

[generalbulldog]

I have to disagree here. 20 years from now people will say the same thing they are saying now. We all know he's an amazing fighter, one of the best ever! But he chose not to take the best fights or biggest tests out there.

Pacman fans wants to disregard Floyd having only 16 or 17 fights when he was still very green in fighting Genaro Hernandez and after that Angel Manfreddy when he was just 21 and turned pro in just 2 years! Nor do they want to remember about the Undefeated Chico Corrales who was favored to beat Floyd. Not surprising isn't it when they say he hasn't taken the best fights out there when he was putting it all on the line just being on HBO and not mega Pay Per View Events in his early career, with the exception of the Corrales fight.

It hasn't been that long and people are already criticizing Roy Jones now for not having a hard enough record. Maybe general fans will see him as an almighty undefeated fighter, but real boxing fans will remember how we felt at this day and time.

Who are the people that are criticizing Roy Jones Career? IMO it's the same people that criticize the careers of Pernell Whittaker, Julio Cesar Chavez, etc. I sure wonder what's the connection there?

I've said this before but I totally agree with you when it comes to Floyd being a good businessman. He takes the least amount of risk for the most amount of money. But "boxing" fans want to see the best fight the best and Floyd isn't doing that

Yeah Floyd wasn't taking any risks fighting for a few grand taking on Genaro Hernandez with only 16 or 17 fights in his career and right after that Angel Manfreddy at a very green stage and at 21 years old no less.

Each one of the statements about Manny and Floyd's opposition are true. You can make someone look incredibly good or bad, all depending on your mindset. But all-in-all to not give either man respect of credit just shows the utmost ignorance.

Yeah and you're comment about Floyd just taking the best money fights out there without risk wasn't ignorance right?

AND about your Torrencampo comment, that's just ignorance man. People who bring up Pac's early two losses to compare to his abilities now are easily haters.

Here's the difference in talent between Manny and Floyd. Floyd was an world champion and had fought 2 very dangerous opponents before he had even 19 fights. Manny was getting knocked out at the same stage. And both were still very green in their early careers.

AND on another one of your comments about Pac fighting Shane or Cotto under the welterweight limit for their titles, when were their titles ever brought up in negotiations? There are catchweights but titles won't be on the line unless it's fought at 147.

Who knows maybe Manny will pull a Leonard-Lalonde catchweight to fight for a world title or another example would be Oscar-Hopkins fight. I wouldn't rule it out.

I just looked at your started threads bulldog, and you seem to be trying to work people up and have hidden agendas. You remind me a lot of another poster who was just recently banned here. The only difference was one was a Pac worshipper and you are the polar opposite.
I just thought it was funny about the similarities of your threads.

I remember starting a catch weight thread and a thread about bringing back fight night weigh ins but I guess the fans of Manny thought I was insulting him. Just like this thread is about Floyd and I only mentioned Manny's name in that he doesn't have to fight him or Cotto or anyone else but make as much money as possible and split. But the fans of Manny came in and said Floyd has no skills and fought bums all his life. And let's be honest now, since Floyd is considered to be still the default p4p champ Pac fans have to come into every thread that has Floyds name to call him a bum. This thread was about him being smart and selective who he fights now in the latter stages of his career. But I guess Pac fans don't want to look at fights with David Diaz as being cherry picking right? But I sure wonder why they do it to Floyd.

[C-Lo]

I never criticized Floyd's early career. I don't like what he's been doing lately, but his road to the top was a difficult one. I thought he was exciting to watch and fought the dangerous fighters. When I was nit-picking his wins I was making an example of how you can make anyone sounds less than they are. I didn't mean those things, again, just making an example.

You should've been here for the Jones vs Calzaghe fight. That's when people criticized his resume. Again, I'm not holding anything against him, just another example.

You said to me, "Yeah and you're comment about Floyd just taking the best money fights out there without risk wasn't ignorance right?" Ignorance?! C'mon man, Floyd said it himself with his interview with Brian Kenny, he doesn't fight for bragging rights, he's fighting for money.

The whole catchweight for the welterweight title, if it happens that way, I won't give it much respect because I believe if Pac wants that welterweight title he should fight at 147. Until that becomes an issue, don't bring it up.

And when did I ever call Floyd a bum?! I've said it before and I'll say it again, you're labeling the wrong guy as a "Pacfan." I used to be a Floyd fan, so if you don't think I see it from both ends of the argument then you are way off. I'm just pointing out that you're looking at the two with tunnel vision in favor of Floyd.

[Gandalf]

I don't care if Floyd is smart about business. As a boxing fan all I really care about is that quality matchups are made between fighters and it can't be denied that Floyd has been cherrypicking a fair bit in recent years. We shouldn't be spoonfed mismatches just because the advantaged fighter thinks they can get away with it. And Floyd does try it, and he does get away with it. He's a poof and should fight a proper WW.