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Nope, Never

Holyfield
Prime Bowe
Lewis
Prime Tyson
Michael Moorer

Would all beat Wlad, he is a very mediocre fighter in a lackluster division. I agree no one can outbox him currently, because there all stiffs.

Ruslan#3 yea ok 10 or so years ago he wouldnt even be a top 20.

Wlad is the best now, fine but its the weakest heavyweight era I can ever remember.

Congrats Wlad your king of the garbage dump
Are those guys fighting right now? Is it 100% certain that those guys could hang with Wladimir No, so all you have is a fucking opinion and I do believe that everyone has an opinion.

"Wlad wouldn't stand a chance vs a Prime ____" ...you can fuck off that's what you can do because a Prime ____ ain't walking through that door. Mike Tyson got beat by Buster Douglas, Kevin McBride and Danny Williams and was getting worked over by Frans Botha before Tyson tried to break his arms....so don't give me this shit.
I agree completely Lyle. People always say this fighter couldn't hang with that one, he'd destroy him in 4 rounds or whatever but its very very very rarely the case when you are talking about the elite of the sport.

The margin of talent and ability is so small that just a slight advantage, even to how a fighter is feeling on the day can make all the difference.

I really doubt Michael Moorer could beat Wladimir, a great fighter but too small and not enough power to hurt a cautious, jabbing Wlad. I think he'd have an excellent chance of beating even a prime Holyfield too for the same reasons.

Tyson, who really knows. Sure he could land immediately and end it in the first couple of rounds or he could have got frustrated, full of self doubt and just imploded. Tyson was never invincible, he always had a weak mindset and he'd have been every bit as intimidated of Wlad as Wlad would of him.

Certainly if Tyson landed it would be lights out but he wasn't very effective against Bonecrusher Smith in his prime and I think Wlad is several levels above that.

If he fought smart the Wlad of today would have a chance of beating even a prime Tyson if he fought a perfect fight, far far lesser men than Wlad have knocked him out so he was in no way unbeatable.

I can't think of a single heavyweight who has ever lived who you could say would certainly have an easy night against Wlad. It's one thing to just say he's chinny and he'll get destroyed but if his jabe stops them from landing and he can keep himself safe then as we've seen he's tremendously difficult to beat.

Sure he could lose to any of the best guys but this idea that all they have to do is turn up is absurd.

And Tyson never beat a heavyweight as good as Wladimir either.