is hatton an elite or not?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Tszyu fought Hatton on the back of looking seriously impressive against Mitchell, was a hot favourite and ranked P4P no.3.. That has to go down as a great win for Hatton.

All his opponents after Tszyu were rated top 10 by The Ring.

He spent 4 years in-and-out of The Ring P4P top 10.

So not an all-time great but an elite fighter for his time period.

Shows how much they know.

[Fenster]

Tszyu fought Hatton on the back of looking seriously impressive against Mitchell, was a hot favourite and ranked P4P no.3.. That has to go down as a great win for Hatton.

All his opponents after Tszyu were rated top 10 by The Ring.

He spent 4 years in-and-out of The Ring P4P top 10.

So not an all-time great but an elite fighter for his time period.

Shows how much they know.

They are the bible of boxing. So that is gospel. Fact.

[generalbulldog]

As someone said what is one's definition of elite? Everyone's definition is different. My definition of elite would be someone with the resume of Floyd, Roy Jones, Oscar, Marvin Hagler, Carlos Monzon, Pernell Whittaker, Julio Cesar Chavez, and even the Pacman has somewhat reached that status in my eyes.


And based on my definition of elite Ricky Hatton doesn't belong, even though he was talented. But I always considered Hatton to be in the groups of guys like Zab Judah, Meldrick Taylor, Naseem hamed, etc. Good but not great, falls short of it.

[C-Lo]

I guess it depends on how you define "elite". He's definitely not elite anymore, but in his prime Hatton was a very good fighter who was just a notch below the top tier (ie. the Mayweathers', Pacquiao's, Mosley's etc.). I would say that he was a good/great fighter who fell just below the elite level, but I'm sure many people will disagree with me.

Ricky is a GREAT British World champion , he has a good resume , and is one of the finest fighters to come out of Britain since the War.
He lost only to the best p4p of his time , however in the wider picture , he doesnt hold a light to guys like JCC ,Duran , ODLH , PACMAN , Mayweather etc.

At his peak he would give any 140 guy past or present a tough fight, he was a real handfull but he has never been a 'truly elite' fighter. He was never consistent enough to be, one fight he would move well and pick shots and break a guy down and others he walked head on missing shots and eating them in return.

I'm not so sure I would say elite. He beat one elite fighter and his win over Collazo was very controversial. I think Hatton had/has to do more to be considered elite. Take away the Kostya Tsyzu win and is this really a debate? Basically, before the Tsyzu fight he was not even questioned as elite and after the Tsyzu fight he got knocked out by the next two elite fighters he fought. Elite level is a different category. Bradley, Judah, Campbell, Collazo, Mayorga etc are not elite fighters. They are good fighters. Hatton is a good/great fighter who was the ruler of the good fighters but he just wasn't smart enough of a fighter to keep with the elite level.

As someone said what is one's definition of elite? Everyone's definition is different. My definition of elite would be someone with the resume of Floyd, Roy Jones, Oscar, Marvin Hagler, Carlos Monzon, Pernell Whittaker, Julio Cesar Chavez, and even the Pacman has somewhat reached that status in my eyes.


And based on my definition of elite Ricky Hatton doesn't belong, even though he was talented. But I always considered Hatton to be in the groups of guys like Zab Judah, Meldrick Taylor, Naseem hamed, etc. Good but not great, falls short of it.

Each person's comments I bolded are pretty much how I feel about his career. Actually, it's exactly what I think!

[BIG H]

Write your own you lazy Koont

[C-Lo]

Write your own you lazy Koont

LOL! I'm on my way to a LOOOOOONG day of work! 9am-10pm, but enough bellyaching.

I found it way too convinient that people already stated what was going on in my mind when I read the thread title.

[DaxxKahn]

I would consider him and elite fighter, he has dominated a division the better part of almost 4 years, a tough division at that, he moved up to WW and was not the same dominate fighter he was at 140 but he found a way to win his bouts and that is whats important.

His 2 losses were to not only P4P rated #1 fighters but PBF and Pacquiao are among the best of all time.....is Hatton a P4P ATG? no but he is certainly elite though he is not the fighter he was a few years ago but his stylle wears out a career quickly

[BIG H]

I would consider him and elite fighter, he has dominated a division the better part of almost 4 years, a tough division at that, he moved up to WW and was not the same dominate fighter he was at 140 but he found a way to win his bouts and that is whats important.

His 2 losses were to not only P4P rated #1 fighters but PBF and Pacquiao are among the best of all time.....is Hatton a P4P ATG? no but he is certainly elite though he is not the fighter he was a few years ago but his stylle wears out a career quickly

Yeh I agree Daxx. Elite does not = ATG, Hatton was definitely Elite, but definitely not a "Great"

[Quinito]

Brit refs made him looked like an elite for most part of his career. His fans overhyped him so much too.

[BIG H]

I've never overhyped or made unrealistic statements about Hatton. I know he isn't a great and I know his limitations, but he WAS ELITE. He was the best fighter at 140 for 3 or 4 years, that by definition makes you Elite

[Fenster]

Brit refs made him looked like an elite for most part of his career. His fans overhyped him so much too.

So they fooled the Boxing Writers Association of America and The Ring into naming Hatton 2005 Fighter of the Year?

Damn good refs in Britain then.

[ICB]

Ricky Hatton reminds me of Barry McGuigan in a way, both men in there prime used to bring it. Both men had a terrific body-attack, both men have one great win over a great opponent Kostya Tszyu, Eusebio Pedroza. Although they had clearly seen better days. But i'd say more so with Eusebio Pedroza.

Both men never really recovered from there real first loss, not counting Barry McGuigan's 3rd pro fight loss, and both men had an embarrassing loss after that. And now that it looks like Ricky Hatton may retire, i think there career's are quite suprisingly similar. Except obviously Ricky Hatton lost to a higher level of fighters.

[SweetPea]

I don't think there was ever a point in time where Hatton was clearly one of the Top 10 PFP fighters in the world. Therefore I don't think he was ever an elite fighter. He was a very good fighter with a big fanbase, and his popularity/marketability made some people view him as being a better fighter than he really was.