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    Default Re: How is Donaire ahead of Williams, Haye, Dawson etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
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    Montiel is taking on a natural Bantamweight in his next fight, Nonito is taking on a former jr. flyweight champion in Cazares, and is doing so two divisions higher than the one that Cazares was champion at, at super flyweight, also forgot to mention, Calderon, probably the smallest active fighter right now, beat him twice, if Donaire doesn't KO Cazares quick, it's basically as bad as a loss in my eyes
    donaire not stopping cazares quickly would be as bad as a loss? you gotta be kidding. why would nonito need to ko cazares quickly for it to be impressive? a dominant performance over several rounds would be just as good if not better than a quick ko. same way i was impressed with juanma lopez's win over penalosa and not as much with his victory over his previous opponents whom he stopped in 1 rd. besides, cazares and donaire both have fight experience at the heigher weight of superbantam and cazares has been a natural bantamweight long before donaire became one. in fact, one of the reasons cazares had a hard time with calderon was coz he had problems making weight. so, i'd say cazares and nonito are both natural at the weight they would be fighting at and doesn't hold a distinct advantage over the other sizewise.
    difference is Penalosa was moving up only one division, and had NEVER been hurt before either, Cazares was hurt by Calderon in the first fight, and Calderon is the softest punching fighter today, so if Donaire doesn't manage to do the same it's pretty pathetic really
    nonito doesn't have to ko cazares quickly to be impressive, he only has to put on a dominant performance. last time cazares was stopped was almost 10 years ago. you gotta admit saying nonito not stopping cazares quickly would be just as bad as a loss is foolish and could only come from a hater which i suppose you're not.

    and fyi, penalosa although never been stopped has been knocked down before.

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    Default Re: How is Donaire ahead of Williams, Haye, Dawson etc?

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    donaire not stopping cazares quickly would be as bad as a loss? you gotta be kidding. why would nonito need to ko cazares quickly for it to be impressive? a dominant performance over several rounds would be just as good if not better than a quick ko. same way i was impressed with juanma lopez's win over penalosa and not as much with his victory over his previous opponents whom he stopped in 1 rd. besides, cazares and donaire both have fight experience at the heigher weight of superbantam and cazares has been a natural bantamweight long before donaire became one. in fact, one of the reasons cazares had a hard time with calderon was coz he had problems making weight. so, i'd say cazares and nonito are both natural at the weight they would be fighting at and doesn't hold a distinct advantage over the other sizewise.
    difference is Penalosa was moving up only one division, and had NEVER been hurt before either, Cazares was hurt by Calderon in the first fight, and Calderon is the softest punching fighter today, so if Donaire doesn't manage to do the same it's pretty pathetic really
    nonito doesn't have to ko cazares quickly to be impressive, he only has to put on a dominant performance. last time cazares was stopped was almost 10 years ago. you gotta admit saying nonito not stopping cazares quickly would be just as bad as a loss is foolish and could only come from a hater which i suppose you're not.

    [B]and fyi, penalosa although never been stopped has been knocked down before.[/B]
    Wasn't that a flash knock down? I doubt he was hurt. But i'm not 100% sure

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    Default Re: How is Donaire ahead of Williams, Haye, Dawson etc?

    Cazares has already fought at 115, he was a giant at 108 so its a bit misleading to act as if its a case of Donaire picking on a little guy. Saying he has to KO Cazares quickly for it to be meaningful seems like setting up a guy to fail so you can go look he failed.

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    Default Re: How is Donaire ahead of Williams, Haye, Dawson etc?

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    Cazares has already fought at 115, he was a giant at 108 so its a bit misleading to act as if its a case of Donaire picking on a little guy. Saying he has to KO Cazares quickly for it to be meaningful seems like setting up a guy to fail so you can go look he failed.
    I'm not expecting an easy night for Donaire. He'll work for his win.

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    Default Re: How is Donaire ahead of Williams, Haye, Dawson etc?

    Did you see the Vasquez fight VD?

    If so how did Cazares look?

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    Default Re: How is Donaire ahead of Williams, Haye, Dawson etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by OumaFan View Post
    Did you see the Vasquez fight VD?

    If so how did Cazares look?
    No. Still looking for it

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    Default Re: How is Donaire ahead of Williams, Haye, Dawson etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by OumaFan View Post
    Cazares has already fought at 115, he was a giant at 108 so its a bit misleading to act as if its a case of Donaire picking on a little guy. Saying he has to KO Cazares quickly for it to be meaningful seems like setting up a guy to fail so you can go look he failed.
    elterriblemorales standard for nonito are high but he doesn't have him top 30 p4p.

    Has he even finish attempting to make his top 30 p4p?

    epic fail!

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    Default Re: How is Donaire ahead of Williams, Haye, Dawson etc?

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    [b]and fyi, penalosa although never been stopped has been knocked down before.[/B]
    Wasn't that a flash knock down? I doubt he was hurt. But i'm not 100% sure
    yup, he was hurt and it was a legitimate kd from cho, although it was at the final seconds of the round so he was able to recover in the next.

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