Coach Freddie Agress at 145lbs.

[fan johnny]

If Pac wanted to be champion at 147, he must fight at 147lbs. weight. Why catch weight?


It will be pac and Pac alone that would benefit this crazy idea.

Cotto should not agreed to this.

Cotto should tell it in Pac's face = "If you want my belt!! go get it in a proper way. If you don't want to fight at 147lbs, go somewhere else!!!"

Some people are already making excuses for Cotto's losing, I see!

[spade]

If Pac wanted to be champion at 147, he must fight at 147lbs. weight. Why catch weight?


It will be pac and Pac alone that would benefit this crazy idea.

Cotto should not agreed to this.

Cotto should tell it in Pac's face = "If you want my belt!! go get it in a proper way. If you don't want to fight at 147lbs, go somewhere else!!!"

Some people are already making excuses for Cotto's losing, I see!

No way an excuse, he won't beat Cotto at 147lbs. that's why they want a catch-weight. What's there to ask if they are certain to beat Cotto at 147.



If ever, Pac should win, he should be proclaimed Catch-Weight Welterweight champion of the World.



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[fan johnny]

If Pac wanted to be champion at 147, he must fight at 147lbs. weight. Why catch weight?


It will be pac and Pac alone that would benefit this crazy idea.

Cotto should not agreed to this.

Cotto should tell it in Pac's face = "If you want my belt!! go get it in a proper way. If you don't want to fight at 147lbs, go somewhere else!!!"

Some people are already making excuses for Cotto's losing, I see!

No way an excuse, he won't beat Cotto at 147lbs. that's why they want a catch-weight. What's there to ask if they are certain to beat Cotto at 147.



If ever, Pac should win, he should be proclaimed Catch-Weight Welterweight champion of the World.



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What does that make Cotto? The 147 pound champion of the world?

[blegit]

Well, its obvious Roach made himself look silly with that statement that was an attempt to look bold. He said he doesn't care if Cotto weighs 200 pounds. Yeah, I guess the catchweight thing is Cotto's request. Okay, does he remember he said he would not let Pac fight any welterweight at 147 except the smallest welterweight and that is PBF. Also, Roach only agreed to 145 because he is now demanding a 70-30 purse and the fight to be scheduled before October. Using baseball as an excuse. Cotto has one helluva cut to heal and there is no reaonable way that skin will be fully healed by October. Pac is the best fighter and Roach is the best trainer right now but I'm tired of all his shenanigans trying to pull advantages and unfair moves. It sounds like Pac vs. Cotto. Wow, what a matchup! Until you factor in the catchweight and not allowing that vicious cut to heal properly. Anybody who has ever boxed for a significant time can clearly understand the disadvantages. Just like DLH and PBF, Pac and Roach are now picking and choosing opponents and conditions instead of just fighting the best out there as is. These guys are more business than boxing. This is what happens in boxing when your wallet outgrows your heart. If you want to defeat Cotto just to defeat him as a fighter thats fine. But if you want to be called welterweight champ then you need to beat a welterweight champ at welterweight. Even the bias Pac fan can not reasonably argue against that simple logic. If Pac and Roach think the welterweights are too big, hence the catchweight, then go after Judah, PBF, Campbell, Bradley, Valero, or JMM. Its obvious he wants none of Mosley. Mosley said he would take their catchweight and purse split yet they'd rather try to lure Cotto. Boxing is hurting itself with this kind of mess.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Well, its obvious Roach made himself look silly with that statement that was an attempt to look bold. He said he doesn't care if Cotto weighs 200 pounds. Yeah, I guess the catchweight thing is Cotto's request. Okay, does he remember he said he would not let Pac fight any welterweight at 147 except the smallest welterweight and that is PBF. Also, Roach only agreed to 145 because he is now demanding a 70-30 purse and the fight to be scheduled before October. Using baseball as an excuse. Cotto has one helluva cut to heal and there is no reaonable way that skin will be fully healed by October. Pac is the best fighter and Roach is the best trainer right now but I'm tired of all his shenanigans trying to pull advantages and unfair moves. It sounds like Pac vs. Cotto. Wow, what a matchup! Until you factor in the catchweight and not allowing that vicious cut to heal properly. Anybody who has ever boxed for a significant time can clearly understand the disadvantages. Just like DLH and PBF, Pac and Roach are now picking and choosing opponents and conditions instead of just fighting the best out there as is. These guys are more business than boxing. This is what happens in boxing when your wallet outgrows your heart. If you want to defeat Cotto just to defeat him as a fighter thats fine. But if you want to be called welterweight champ then you need to beat a welterweight champ at welterweight. Even the bias Pac fan can not reasonably argue against that simple logic. If Pac and Roach think the welterweights are too big, hence the catchweight, then go after Judah, PBF, Campbell, Bradley, Valero, or JMM. Its obvious he wants none of Mosley. Mosley said he would take their catchweight and purse split yet they'd rather try to lure Cotto. Boxing is hurting itself with this kind of mess.

[The_Infinite]

As far as I know, there is no word yet whether the proposed Pac-Cotto fight will be a welterweight Championship. And I wouldnt call fighting Cotto at a catchweight of 145 being a case of wallet outgrows your heart, considering Cotto was fighting at 140 not long before. Its still a dangerous fight for both parties.

And since you've brought up the "Boxing is hurting itself with this kind of mess" stuff, I think you should check out what Mayweather has been doing lately and who his next fight is up against . At least pac has the nuts to name Cotto and Mosley as a possible future opponent. As far as I know, all FMJ did when the name Mosley was tossed around was to stutter .

Well, its obvious Roach made himself look silly with that statement that was an attempt to look bold. He said he doesn't care if Cotto weighs 200 pounds. Yeah, I guess the catchweight thing is Cotto's request. Okay, does he remember he said he would not let Pac fight any welterweight at 147 except the smallest welterweight and that is PBF. Also, Roach only agreed to 145 because he is now demanding a 70-30 purse and the fight to be scheduled before October. Using baseball as an excuse. Cotto has one helluva cut to heal and there is no reaonable way that skin will be fully healed by October. Pac is the best fighter and Roach is the best trainer right now but I'm tired of all his shenanigans trying to pull advantages and unfair moves. It sounds like Pac vs. Cotto. Wow, what a matchup! Until you factor in the catchweight and not allowing that vicious cut to heal properly. Anybody who has ever boxed for a significant time can clearly understand the disadvantages. Just like DLH and PBF, Pac and Roach are now picking and choosing opponents and conditions instead of just fighting the best out there as is. These guys are more business than boxing. This is what happens in boxing when your wallet outgrows your heart. If you want to defeat Cotto just to defeat him as a fighter thats fine. But if you want to be called welterweight champ then you need to beat a welterweight champ at welterweight. Even the bias Pac fan can not reasonably argue against that simple logic. If Pac and Roach think the welterweights are too big, hence the catchweight, then go after Judah, PBF, Campbell, Bradley, Valero, or JMM. Its obvious he wants none of Mosley. Mosley said he would take their catchweight and purse split yet they'd rather try to lure Cotto. Boxing is hurting itself with this kind of mess.

[C-Lo]

As far as I know, there is no word yet whether the proposed Pac-Cotto fight will be a welterweight Championship. And I wouldnt call fighting Cotto at a catchweight of 145 being a case of wallet outgrows your heart, considering Cotto was fighting at 140 not long before. Its still a dangerous fight for both parties.

And since you've brought up the "Boxing is hurting itself with this kind of mess" stuff, I think you should check out what Mayweather has been doing lately and who his next fight is up against . At least pac has the nuts to name Cotto and Mosley as a possible future opponent. As far as I know, all FMJ did when the name Mosley was tossed around was to stutter .

Well, its obvious Roach made himself look silly with that statement that was an attempt to look bold. He said he doesn't care if Cotto weighs 200 pounds. Yeah, I guess the catchweight thing is Cotto's request. Okay, does he remember he said he would not let Pac fight any welterweight at 147 except the smallest welterweight and that is PBF. Also, Roach only agreed to 145 because he is now demanding a 70-30 purse and the fight to be scheduled before October. Using baseball as an excuse. Cotto has one helluva cut to heal and there is no reaonable way that skin will be fully healed by October. Pac is the best fighter and Roach is the best trainer right now but I'm tired of all his shenanigans trying to pull advantages and unfair moves. It sounds like Pac vs. Cotto. Wow, what a matchup! Until you factor in the catchweight and not allowing that vicious cut to heal properly. Anybody who has ever boxed for a significant time can clearly understand the disadvantages. Just like DLH and PBF, Pac and Roach are now picking and choosing opponents and conditions instead of just fighting the best out there as is. These guys are more business than boxing. This is what happens in boxing when your wallet outgrows your heart. If you want to defeat Cotto just to defeat him as a fighter thats fine. But if you want to be called welterweight champ then you need to beat a welterweight champ at welterweight. Even the bias Pac fan can not reasonably argue against that simple logic. If Pac and Roach think the welterweights are too big, hence the catchweight, then go after Judah, PBF, Campbell, Bradley, Valero, or JMM. Its obvious he wants none of Mosley. Mosley said he would take their catchweight and purse split yet they'd rather try to lure Cotto. Boxing is hurting itself with this kind of mess.

Thank you! I don't know why people are getting so mad over the welterweight title?! Nowhere can I find any article that says a fight between them at a catchweight would be for the title. Why are people getting so worked up about it!?

If the title is on the line at any weight besides 147 this fight is BS IMO.

Plus 145 is only 2 pounds less, people are acting like Roach and Pac are making him fight at 140. Pacquiao is the smaller man! He was fighting at 130 last year for Christ's sake!

[JazMerkin]

As far as I know, there is no word yet whether the proposed Pac-Cotto fight will be a welterweight Championship. And I wouldnt call fighting Cotto at a catchweight of 145 being a case of wallet outgrows your heart, considering Cotto was fighting at 140 not long before. Its still a dangerous fight for both parties.

And since you've brought up the "Boxing is hurting itself with this kind of mess" stuff, I think you should check out what Mayweather has been doing lately and who his next fight is up against . At least pac has the nuts to name Cotto and Mosley as a possible future opponent. As far as I know, all FMJ did when the name Mosley was tossed around was to stutter .

Well, its obvious Roach made himself look silly with that statement that was an attempt to look bold. He said he doesn't care if Cotto weighs 200 pounds. Yeah, I guess the catchweight thing is Cotto's request. Okay, does he remember he said he would not let Pac fight any welterweight at 147 except the smallest welterweight and that is PBF. Also, Roach only agreed to 145 because he is now demanding a 70-30 purse and the fight to be scheduled before October. Using baseball as an excuse. Cotto has one helluva cut to heal and there is no reaonable way that skin will be fully healed by October. Pac is the best fighter and Roach is the best trainer right now but I'm tired of all his shenanigans trying to pull advantages and unfair moves. It sounds like Pac vs. Cotto. Wow, what a matchup! Until you factor in the catchweight and not allowing that vicious cut to heal properly. Anybody who has ever boxed for a significant time can clearly understand the disadvantages. Just like DLH and PBF, Pac and Roach are now picking and choosing opponents and conditions instead of just fighting the best out there as is. These guys are more business than boxing. This is what happens in boxing when your wallet outgrows your heart. If you want to defeat Cotto just to defeat him as a fighter thats fine. But if you want to be called welterweight champ then you need to beat a welterweight champ at welterweight. Even the bias Pac fan can not reasonably argue against that simple logic. If Pac and Roach think the welterweights are too big, hence the catchweight, then go after Judah, PBF, Campbell, Bradley, Valero, or JMM. Its obvious he wants none of Mosley. Mosley said he would take their catchweight and purse split yet they'd rather try to lure Cotto. Boxing is hurting itself with this kind of mess.

Thank you! I don't know why people are getting so mad over the welterweight title?! Nowhere can I find any article that says a fight between them at a catchweight would be for the title. Why are people getting so worked up about it!?

If the title is on the line at any weight besides 147 this fight is BS IMO.

Plus 145 is only 2 pounds less, people are acting like Roach and Pac are making him fight at 140. Pacquiao is the smaller man! He was fighting at 130 last year for Christ's sake!

I agree with all of that, however, if the fight is for any portion of the Welterweight title, than no way should it be below 147. I think the problem is its well known that guys like Mosley & Cotto find it hard making the weight, due to age & lifestyle respectively. Roach appears to be trying to take advantage of this. Oh & as for the Mayweather/Mosley thing, Mayweather has been putting Mosley's name out there for about a decade & got nothin', it gets a bit much to suggest he's suddenly scared of him. If Pac fights Cotto, I bet PBF & Shane schedule a fight if PBF beats JMM

[JT Rock]

As far as I know, there is no word yet whether the proposed Pac-Cotto fight will be a welterweight Championship. And I wouldnt call fighting Cotto at a catchweight of 145 being a case of wallet outgrows your heart, considering Cotto was fighting at 140 not long before. Its still a dangerous fight for both parties.

And since you've brought up the "Boxing is hurting itself with this kind of mess" stuff, I think you should check out what Mayweather has been doing lately and who his next fight is up against . At least pac has the nuts to name Cotto and Mosley as a possible future opponent. As far as I know, all FMJ did when the name Mosley was tossed around was to stutter .

Well, its obvious Roach made himself look silly with that statement that was an attempt to look bold. He said he doesn't care if Cotto weighs 200 pounds. Yeah, I guess the catchweight thing is Cotto's request. Okay, does he remember he said he would not let Pac fight any welterweight at 147 except the smallest welterweight and that is PBF. Also, Roach only agreed to 145 because he is now demanding a 70-30 purse and the fight to be scheduled before October. Using baseball as an excuse. Cotto has one helluva cut to heal and there is no reaonable way that skin will be fully healed by October. Pac is the best fighter and Roach is the best trainer right now but I'm tired of all his shenanigans trying to pull advantages and unfair moves. It sounds like Pac vs. Cotto. Wow, what a matchup! Until you factor in the catchweight and not allowing that vicious cut to heal properly. Anybody who has ever boxed for a significant time can clearly understand the disadvantages. Just like DLH and PBF, Pac and Roach are now picking and choosing opponents and conditions instead of just fighting the best out there as is. These guys are more business than boxing. This is what happens in boxing when your wallet outgrows your heart. If you want to defeat Cotto just to defeat him as a fighter thats fine. But if you want to be called welterweight champ then you need to beat a welterweight champ at welterweight. Even the bias Pac fan can not reasonably argue against that simple logic. If Pac and Roach think the welterweights are too big, hence the catchweight, then go after Judah, PBF, Campbell, Bradley, Valero, or JMM. Its obvious he wants none of Mosley. Mosley said he would take their catchweight and purse split yet
they'd rather try to lure Cotto. Boxing is hurting itself with this kind of mess.

No!!!! JMM wanted Floyd and he is doing it the right way. He called out the bigger man and he is going to fight the biggerman.

Not freeze dry him 1st like they did to DLH and tried to do to Shane and Cotto.

Roach already admitted he wont put Pac at a weight disadvantage. Stay at 140 then guys or shut up and man up and fight these guys at their OPTIMAL weight and condition.

THERE IS NO GLORY FIGHTING AND BEATING A GUY WHO ISINT AT HIS BEST WEIGHT.

[generalbulldog]

Well, its obvious Roach made himself look silly with that statement that was an attempt to look bold. He said he doesn't care if Cotto weighs 200 pounds. Yeah, I guess the catchweight thing is Cotto's request. Okay, does he remember he said he would not let Pac fight any welterweight at 147 except the smallest welterweight and that is PBF. Also, Roach only agreed to 145 because he is now demanding a 70-30 purse and the fight to be scheduled before October. Using baseball as an excuse. Cotto has one helluva cut to heal and there is no reaonable way that skin will be fully healed by October. Pac is the best fighter and Roach is the best trainer right now but I'm tired of all his shenanigans trying to pull advantages and unfair moves. It sounds like Pac vs. Cotto. Wow, what a matchup! Until you factor in the catchweight and not allowing that vicious cut to heal properly. Anybody who has ever boxed for a significant time can clearly understand the disadvantages. Just like DLH and PBF, Pac and Roach are now picking and choosing opponents and conditions instead of just fighting the best out there as is. These guys are more business than boxing. This is what happens in boxing when your wallet outgrows your heart. If you want to defeat Cotto just to defeat him as a fighter thats fine. But if you want to be called welterweight champ then you need to beat a welterweight champ at welterweight. Even the bias Pac fan can not reasonably argue against that simple logic. If Pac and Roach think the welterweights are too big, hence the catchweight, then go after Judah, PBF, Campbell, Bradley, Valero, or JMM. Its obvious he wants none of Mosley. Mosley said he would take their catchweight and purse split yet they'd rather try to lure Cotto. Boxing is hurting itself with this kind of mess.

Now I was upset when I thought this catchweight fight would be for the WW titles, but its not. And I'm far from being a Pac fan. But no one was bitching about the Hopkins-Pavlik catchweight fight without any titles on the line right? It ain't for any titles, so stop your crying. Cotto came in at 146 for Clottey, he can make it 145.

Again did you bitch at other catchweight fights that wasn't for titles?

[blegit]

Well, its obvious Roach made himself look silly with that statement that was an attempt to look bold. He said he doesn't care if Cotto weighs 200 pounds. Yeah, I guess the catchweight thing is Cotto's request. Okay, does he remember he said he would not let Pac fight any welterweight at 147 except the smallest welterweight and that is PBF. Also, Roach only agreed to 145 because he is now demanding a 70-30 purse and the fight to be scheduled before October. Using baseball as an excuse. Cotto has one helluva cut to heal and there is no reaonable way that skin will be fully healed by October. Pac is the best fighter and Roach is the best trainer right now but I'm tired of all his shenanigans trying to pull advantages and unfair moves. It sounds like Pac vs. Cotto. Wow, what a matchup! Until you factor in the catchweight and not allowing that vicious cut to heal properly. Anybody who has ever boxed for a significant time can clearly understand the disadvantages. Just like DLH and PBF, Pac and Roach are now picking and choosing opponents and conditions instead of just fighting the best out there as is. These guys are more business than boxing. This is what happens in boxing when your wallet outgrows your heart. If you want to defeat Cotto just to defeat him as a fighter thats fine. But if you want to be called welterweight champ then you need to beat a welterweight champ at welterweight. Even the bias Pac fan can not reasonably argue against that simple logic. If Pac and Roach think the welterweights are too big, hence the catchweight, then go after Judah, PBF, Campbell, Bradley, Valero, or JMM. Its obvious he wants none of Mosley. Mosley said he would take their catchweight and purse split yet they'd rather try to lure Cotto. Boxing is hurting itself with this kind of mess.

Now I was upset when I thought this catchweight fight would be for the WW titles, but its not. And I'm far from being a Pac fan. But no one was bitching about the Hopkins-Pavlik catchweight fight without any titles on the line right? It ain't for any titles, so stop your crying. Cotto came in at 146 for Clottey, he can make it 145.

Again did you bitch at other catchweight fights that wasn't for titles?

You must be reading too fast. I said if it is just for a fight then fine but if this is for the title then its bulls#@! Read slower next time. And many people are saying this would be Pac's 7th weight class title. Did you read the article when Roach said he doesn't care if Cotto is at 200lbs. but he wants a catchweight. The difference between this fight and every other catchweight is that he is not doing to meet up he is doing it to drain fighters who barely make their weight class. That is why Roach said he would not let Pac fight any welterweight at 147 except PBF. To all the people who choose not to accept the truth against their fanfair, if the 2 or 3 pounds is no factor then why is Pac's team the adamant ones? Why is 147 good for DLH and PBF but not Mosley or Cotto? Answer these questions factual without getting offended.

[CFH]

Well, its obvious Roach made himself look silly with that statement that was an attempt to look bold. He said he doesn't care if Cotto weighs 200 pounds. Yeah, I guess the catchweight thing is Cotto's request. Okay, does he remember he said he would not let Pac fight any welterweight at 147 except the smallest welterweight and that is PBF. Also, Roach only agreed to 145 because he is now demanding a 70-30 purse and the fight to be scheduled before October. Using baseball as an excuse. Cotto has one helluva cut to heal and there is no reaonable way that skin will be fully healed by October. Pac is the best fighter and Roach is the best trainer right now but I'm tired of all his shenanigans trying to pull advantages and unfair moves. It sounds like Pac vs. Cotto. Wow, what a matchup! Until you factor in the catchweight and not allowing that vicious cut to heal properly. Anybody who has ever boxed for a significant time can clearly understand the disadvantages. Just like DLH and PBF, Pac and Roach are now picking and choosing opponents and conditions instead of just fighting the best out there as is. These guys are more business than boxing. This is what happens in boxing when your wallet outgrows your heart. If you want to defeat Cotto just to defeat him as a fighter thats fine. But if you want to be called welterweight champ then you need to beat a welterweight champ at welterweight. Even the bias Pac fan can not reasonably argue against that simple logic. If Pac and Roach think the welterweights are too big, hence the catchweight, then go after Judah, PBF, Campbell, Bradley, Valero, or JMM. Its obvious he wants none of Mosley. Mosley said he would take their catchweight and purse split yet they'd rather try to lure Cotto. Boxing is hurting itself with this kind of mess.

Now I was upset when I thought this catchweight fight would be for the WW titles, but its not. And I'm far from being a Pac fan. But no one was bitching about the Hopkins-Pavlik catchweight fight without any titles on the line right? It ain't for any titles, so stop your crying. Cotto came in at 146 for Clottey, he can make it 145.

Again did you bitch at other catchweight fights that wasn't for titles?

You must be reading too fast. I said if it is just for a fight then fine but if this is for the title then its bulls#@! Read slower next time. And many people are saying this would be Pac's 7th weight class title. Did you read the article when Roach said he doesn't care if Cotto is at 200lbs. but he wants a catchweight. The difference between this fight and every other catchweight is that he is not doing to meet up he is doing it to drain fighters who barely make their weight class. That is why Roach said he would not let Pac fight any welterweight at 147 except PBF. To all the people who choose not to accept the truth against their fanfair, if the 2 or 3 pounds is no factor then why is Pac's team the adamant ones? Why is 147 good for DLH and PBF but not Mosley or Cotto? Answer these questions factual without getting offended.

Very well said.

[keypool]

That is why Roach said he would not let Pac fight any welterweight at 147 except PBF. To all the people who choose not to accept the truth against their fanfair, if the 2 or 3 pounds is no factor then why is Pac's team the adamant ones? Why is 147 good for DLH and PBF but not Mosley or Cotto? Answer these questions factual without getting offended.

I am not a boxing expert like most of you guys, but i think this is fairly simple to answer.

The bottomline is that they want the FIGHT-NIGHT weight to be fair.

It is no secret that Cotto can balloon to 158 pounds during fight night. Pacs highest fight-night weight is 148 pounds against ODLH. That is a 10-pound weight advantage! Is that fair?

By having a catchweight, they are hoping that Cotto can balloon to only 153 pounds during fight night. He would still be the bigger man but at least, the fight will be more fair.

Roach doesn't have any problem having catchweight with PBF cause PBF's fight night weight is only 150 pounds, which is close to Pac's fight-night weight of 148 pounds.

It seems to me that you are the one who likes to stack things against Pac by demanding unfair weight advantages.

And don't tell me that Cotto will be weight-drained by agreeing to 145 lbs. He came in at 146 lbs against Clottey. Jeesh. He needs to lose only 1 lb while climbs 15 lbs if we consider that he fought at 130 just a year ago like C-Lo said.

This is all about making a fair fight during FIGHT NIGHT.

Now, I would like to hear your response to this.