Who should haye fight if its not the Klitschkos?

[El Kabong]

Why does everyone hate David haye so much? yet hold the boring robotic Klitschko's in such high regard? i think he should fight Anyone in the world top 10 by this i mean The Ring top 10 not an organising body.

#1 David Haye has an inflated sense of self and accomplishment and he never stops talking...everyone knows he doesn't have a hope in hell of beating Wladimir or Vitali.

#2 The Klitschko's may be boring to a few people but they are dominant, they are class acts, and they are great ambassadors of the sport...they are smart, they give back to society, and they don't get in trouble with the law.

I think the David Haye fans will soon realize that the heavyweight division is not as weak as they once thought it was.

Oh and Fenster you say Monte Barrett was a tune up, well Evander Holyfield's second heavyweight fight was Pinklon Thomas. And yes David Haye SHOULD fight the top contenders (contenders not Champions) in the division, however, both he and his management will not risk him...he'll lose soon anyway

[Fenster]

Why does everyone hate David haye so much? yet hold the boring robotic Klitschko's in such high regard? i think he should fight Anyone in the world top 10 by this i mean The Ring top 10 not an organising body.

#1 David Haye has an inflated sense of self and accomplishment and he never stops talking...everyone knows he doesn't have a hope in hell of beating Wladimir or Vitali.

#2 The Klitschko's may be boring to a few people but they are dominant, they are class acts, and they are great ambassadors of the sport...they are smart, they give back to society, and they don't get in trouble with the law.

I think the David Haye fans will soon realize that the heavyweight division is not as weak as they once thought it was.

Oh and Fenster you say Monte Barrett was a tune up, well Evander Holyfield's second heavyweight fight was Pinklon Thomas. And yes David Haye SHOULD fight the top contenders (contenders not Champions) in the division, however, both he and his management will not risk him...he'll lose soon anyway

Well Lyle you must think the Klits are PUSSIES (pun intended) for picking on the little crappy cruiserweight, right?

If Haye is so unworthy then explain why they signed him with their 30 rematch clauses incase he sparked them?

Why didn't they say he SHOULD fight contenders first? Why didn't they say they have BIGGER fights than Haye?

[El Kabong]

Well Lyle you must think the Klits are PUSSIES (pun intended) for picking on the little crappy cruiserweight, right?

If Haye is so unworthy then explain why they signed him with their 30 rematch clauses incase he sparked them?

Why didn't they say he SHOULD fight contenders first? Why didn't they say they have BIGGER fights than Haye?

No I don't Haye talked his way into the fight and they wanted to show him the error of his ways.

David Haye is 100% media hype...we'll see what he does without Setanta and without Steve Bunce blowing smoke up his ass all fucking day. He's "jumped the shark" so to speak in shit talking he'd be better served to stop it before Wlad drops him outside the ring

The Klitschko's used their standing as Champions in the HEAVYWEIGHT division along with their enormous fan support in Germany/Points East to get David Haye the fight he wanted and they gave him the terms that he had earned up to that point.

This is beyond ridiculous David Haye bitches about NOT getting the fight, then he GETS the fight and then bitches about the contract for the fight HE wanted, and then he pulls out of the fight altogether and continues to bitch about both the fact that he didn't get the fight AND the contract for the fight that HE WANTED.....2 words for Haye and his fans GROW UP

[boozeboxer]

Fenster I am sure all the top guys all have rematch clauses in the contracts, it is just good negotiating. It is probably standard boilerplate language for a champion.

[Lance Uppercut]

Fenster I am sure all the top guys all have rematch clauses in the contracts, it is just good negotiating. It is probably standard boilerplate language for a champion.

Exactly. It is a staple of every top level fight contract where one fighter has way more leverage then the other.

[Mr140]

Why would Haye get a good deal when he has done nothing. He was promised a mill for not fighting any top guys he is lucky Klitschko gave him the fight because he did nothing to warrent having a fight. Then he pulls out and expects to Wald to just give him another chance come on.

[Fenster]

Fenster I am sure all the top guys all have rematch clauses in the contracts, it is just good negotiating. It is probably standard boilerplate language for a champion.

Exactly. It is a staple of every top level fight contract where one fighter has way more leverage then the other.

err.. you've both picked up on something that was basically insignificant. Thanks though i never knew that about rematch clauses

The point is the Klits CHOSE to fight Haye. So all you guys crying about the "undeserving" () Haye, your problem should be with the Klits not Haye.

[Fenster]

Well Lyle you must think the Klits are PUSSIES (pun intended) for picking on the little crappy cruiserweight, right?

If Haye is so unworthy then explain why they signed him with their 30 rematch clauses incase he sparked them?

Why didn't they say he SHOULD fight contenders first? Why didn't they say they have BIGGER fights than Haye?

No I don't Haye talked his way into the fight and they wanted to show him the error of his ways.

David Haye is 100% media hype...we'll see what he does without Setanta and without Steve Bunce blowing smoke up his ass all fucking day. He's "jumped the shark" so to speak in shit talking he'd be better served to stop it before Wlad drops him outside the ring

The Klitschko's used their standing as Champions in the HEAVYWEIGHT division along with their enormous fan support in Germany/Points East to get David Haye the fight he wanted and they gave him the terms that he had earned up to that point.

This is beyond ridiculous David Haye bitches about NOT getting the fight, then he GETS the fight and then bitches about the contract for the fight HE wanted, and then he pulls out of the fight altogether and continues to bitch about both the fact that he didn't get the fight AND the contract for the fight that HE WANTED.....2 words for Haye and his fans GROW UP

Jesus Lyle do you know how pathetic that is, seriously..

Haye/his manager haven't moaned about the Klits or the contract since he pulled out. His manager said they would have done the same as Wlad if the situation was reversed.

[El Kabong]

Jesus Lyle do you know how pathetic that is, seriously..

Haye/his manager haven't moaned about the Klits or the contract since he pulled out. His manager said they would have done the same as Wlad if the situation was reversed.

Really?? Who has Haye beaten that is quality competition? Old Jean Mark Mormeck? Enzo Maccarinelli?? Alexander Gurov I know Haye loves comparing Wlad to Gurov...but do you think they are similar in style and substance Face the facts, David Haye never has fought quality competition, he hasn't fought anything close to a dangerous heavyweight even though Haye himself said he would fight a NAMED opponent and a DANGEROUS opponent in his coming out fight and he fought Monte Barrett who has never been a big name fighter and unless you're Tye Fields or Dominick Guinn/Joe Mesi then he's not all that dangerous as a boxer or a puncher.

The situation isn't reversed and if it was the Haye fans would be calling Wladimir out as being scared of David Haye. Let's face it, minus Setanta and Steve Bunce and minus his British nationality David Haye is a nobody...he's KO'd several guys who couldn't last a second in the heavyweight division and he's fought 2 nobodies at heavyweight. You Haye fans are following David Haye with your hearts and not your minds...he's got upside but not enough to beat either Klitschko. David Haye will get smacked down like a little punk and then retire.

[skel1983]

Jesus Lyle do you know how pathetic that is, seriously..

Haye/his manager haven't moaned about the Klits or the contract since he pulled out. His manager said they would have done the same as Wlad if the situation was reversed.

Really?? Who has Haye beaten that is quality competition? Old Jean Mark Mormeck? Enzo Maccarinelli?? Alexander Gurov I know Haye loves comparing Wlad to Gurov...but do you think they are similar in style and substance Face the facts, David Haye never has fought quality competition, he hasn't fought anything close to a dangerous heavyweight even though Haye himself said he would fight a NAMED opponent and a DANGEROUS opponent in his coming out fight and he fought Monte Barrett who has never been a big name fighter and unless you're Tye Fields or Dominick Guinn/Joe Mesi then he's not all that dangerous as a boxer or a puncher.

The situation isn't reversed and if it was the Haye fans would be calling Wladimir out as being scared of David Haye. Let's face it, minus Setanta and Steve Bunce and minus his British nationality David Haye is a nobody...he's KO'd several guys who couldn't last a second in the heavyweight division and he's fought 2 nobodies at heavyweight. You Haye fans are following David Haye with your hearts and not your minds...he's got upside but not enough to beat either Klitschko. David Haye will get smacked down like a little punk and then retire.

Come on Lyle, why the hell did HBO pull the fight after he pulled out? If he is nothing as you say. Lyle i respect you and your opinions but your becoming very annoying on this subject. Im not the biggest Haye fan as you probably already know, but come on to say he is nothing is stupid, maybe he is nothing in terms of accomplishments at heavyweight. But he has done quite a fine job of marketing himself as the next next big/exciting heavyweight. Front cover of the Ring Magazine, HBO want to be all over him like a rash, interviews with Brian Kenny. Dont worry about the Setanta deal we still have Sky Sports which if you put a comparision with The Usa, Sky Sports is HBO and Setanta is Showtime.

Haye i feel should have a fight against a top ten fighter especially being so long out of the ring now before getting in with the Klits who i think he would never beat in a month of sundays, but come on this is the fight the fans want to see the Tv Companies and basically the whole boxing world.

[El Kabong]

HBO has their reasons but I would think they are kicking themselves right now...61,000 fans in attendance, 11 million people watching JUST in Germany and Wladimir dominated the 3rd ranked heavyweight in the world.

David Haye in my opinion is a lot like how Joe Mesi used to be, very hyped, seemingly dangerous, and yet UNTESTED. So I'm sorry if I'm being harsh on David Haye but all of this hype seems very forced and that is making me question everything about David Haye.

"At the end of the day it's all talk" David Haye of all people said that right now, this is all David Haye is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f7sKtr9Xus

That's David Haye...all he does is talk, he hasn't fought in a while, he's waiting for the Fall to fight again, and yet he just keeps talking...why not fight somebody??

[Fenster]

Jesus Lyle do you know how pathetic that is, seriously..

Haye/his manager haven't moaned about the Klits or the contract since he pulled out. His manager said they would have done the same as Wlad if the situation was reversed.

Really?? Who has Haye beaten that is quality competition? Old Jean Mark Mormeck? Enzo Maccarinelli?? Alexander Gurov I know Haye loves comparing Wlad to Gurov...but do you think they are similar in style and substance Face the facts, David Haye never has fought quality competition, he hasn't fought anything close to a dangerous heavyweight even though Haye himself said he would fight a NAMED opponent and a DANGEROUS opponent in his coming out fight and he fought Monte Barrett who has never been a big name fighter and unless you're Tye Fields or Dominick Guinn/Joe Mesi then he's not all that dangerous as a boxer or a puncher.

The situation isn't reversed and if it was the Haye fans would be calling Wladimir out as being scared of David Haye. Let's face it, minus Setanta and Steve Bunce and minus his British nationality David Haye is a nobody...he's KO'd several guys who couldn't last a second in the heavyweight division and he's fought 2 nobodies at heavyweight. You Haye fans are following David Haye with your hearts and not your minds...he's got upside but not enough to beat either Klitschko. David Haye will get smacked down like a little punk and then retire.

Yes Lyle Haye is crap.. you've said that a million times already.

Why were the Klits entertaining him then? Why weren't they looking for serious challengers?

[El Kabong]

Haye talked himself into business...this is the fight people seem to want, the Klitschko's are businessmen they'll get the fight for the right price.

I just want Haye to fight somebody, anybody....just as long as he stops talking.