Victor Ortiz is a quiter

[OumaFan]

I'm not gonna jump on the guy, but his interview called into question how much he's really into this IMO.

[generalbulldog]

Gerald McClellan didn't know when to quit against Nigel Benn. He's only partially deaf, blind, in a wheel chair, with brain damage and struggling to pay his medical bills. And he also had Nigel Benn helped him raise money to pay for his medical bills in one of those fundraisers.


The fans that were calling McClellan so brave in fighting to get brain damage sure as hell didn't give a damn about what happened to him after that bout with Benn. Victor should look out for himself first, not the fan's lust to see him get brain damage.

[ElTerribleMorales]

what were the first words Jones said when he finally lost? i'm not sure if it was in the 2nd Tarver fight or the Johnson loss, but i know he said "it's just not fun anymore" well no shit, getting KTFO isn't fun, and that's coming from a legend, give the kid a break he's 22, he can only learn from this

[Majesty]

I didn't take the he shouldnt be taking punishment like that the way Max did.

Of course Max takes it like he means he shouldnt be boxing.

But i think he meant he shouldn't be in there neglecting his boxing skills and defense and taking punishment and getting beat up by someone he shouldn't be getting beat up by. And I agree with him. He should have used his boxing skill advantages rather then constantly going for the KO. But he's young he is only 22 he'll learn. It was just too much too soon, he wasn't ready to be main eventing yet

[ElTerribleMorales]

I didn't take the he shouldnt be taking punishment like that the way Max did.

Of course Max takes it like he means he shouldnt be boxing.

But i think he meant he shouldn't be in there neglecting his boxing skills and defense and taking punishment and getting beat up by someone he shouldn't be getting beat up by. And I agree with him. He should have used his boxing skill advantages rather then constantly going for the KO. But he's young he is only 22 he'll learn. It was just too much too soon, he wasn't ready to be main eventing yet

same here, the way i understood it was, he shouldn't be taking the kind of punishment that he took at this stage of his career, that he's going to have to go back to the drawing board and work on his defense a bit, Maidana has anvils for fists, Ortiz's left eye was fine going into the last round, completely unswollen, not even half way into the round it looked like it had been being tagged on all night

[Pavlik]

I didn't take the he shouldnt be taking punishment like that the way Max did.

Of course Max takes it like he means he shouldnt be boxing.

But i think he meant he shouldn't be in there neglecting his boxing skills and defense and taking punishment and getting beat up by someone he shouldn't be getting beat up by. And I agree with him. He should have used his boxing skill advantages rather then constantly going for the KO. But he's young he is only 22 he'll learn. It was just too much too soon, he wasn't ready to be main eventing yet

same here, the way i understood it was, he shouldn't be taking the kind of punishment that he took at this stage of his career, that he's going to have to go back to the drawing board and work on his defense a bit, Maidana has anvils for fists, Ortiz's left eye was fine going into the last round, completely unswollen, not even half way into the round it looked like it had been being tagged on all night

anvil it is mate, the left hook that landed once made the cut, then I think 1 or 2 rights made the inflammation. I really hope Maidana gets a world class trainer.

[Pugilistic]

Why is it such a bad thing for a fighter to take care of his health.

I would much prefer a fighter quit and fight another day than to take a beating and never be the same again.

[Majesty]

Again I don't think he is so much a quitter. Even so people that have quit in fights before still had great careers or wasn't taken away from them. He fought the wrong style for the fight and acknowledged it. And I think it was smart of him to say he shouldnt be taking punishment or get beat up that way. Max Kellerman is an idiot for trying to put a negative spin on it saying he didn't wanna go out on his shield when thats not at all what he said. He said he would never end a fight on his back and would stay in there. That means he wants to fight it out and just lay on the canvas knocked out. And when he said he shouldnt be getting beat up like that he didn't mean he didn't want to be a boxer because he got hurt, he meant that he should have been fighting his fight and boxing rather then fighting the other guys fight and taking unnessesary punishment. But I wouldnt expect Max to understand that.

[armin]

I don't know the claim that some make that we can critize them cause we are paying to see the fights...well not really how many of us were in the arena last night, wasn't it just included in your regular hbo package I mean people of a lesser chin don't get critized for having no heart but just having a weak chin so why the hell should a guy who has recuperative powers and a decent chin take 3x the punishment and suffer more for it later...again nothing but respect to ortiz and most fighters that step in the ring. People can say he quit, whatever, all I know is that 6 rounds was some of the most exciting six rounds of the past year...if quiters fight like that then lets see more of em.

[Kev]

Again I don't think he is so much a quitter. Even so people that have quit in fights before still had great careers or wasn't taken away from them. He fought the wrong style for the fight and acknowledged it. And I think it was smart of him to say he shouldnt be taking punishment or get beat up that way. Max Kellerman is an idiot for trying to put a negative spin on it saying he didn't wanna go out on his shield when thats not at all what he said. He said he would never end a fight on his back and would stay in there. That means he wants to fight it out and just lay on the canvas knocked out. And when he said he shouldnt be getting beat up like that he didn't mean he didn't want to be a boxer because he got hurt, he meant that he should have been fighting his fight and boxing rather then fighting the other guys fight and taking unnessesary punishment. But I wouldnt expect Max to understand that.

I don't know what language you watched that interview in but he certainly didn't mean it the way you say.

Asked by Kellerman why he quit his exact words were 'You know I was hurt. I'm not going to go out on my back, I'm not going to lay down for anyone, I'd rather just say I'm going to stop whilst I'm ahead and speak well when I'm older you know.'

He then went on to say that he was young and didn't think he deserved to get beat up like this and that he had a lot of thinking of do.

I don't think it implies he's quitting boxing but he clearly and unequiviqually without any doubt whatsoever made it clear he'd rather pull out of a fight before he got knocked out and that he doesn't want to risk long term injury in the sport.

Not that I think there is anything wrong with that particularly, I mean boxing is a sport at the end of the day, it's not a forced fight to the death. It's inevitable that there will be some kind of fan backlash and they will likely not want to be so quick to support a guy who won't leave everything in the ring but that is entirely his right, its his career, his health and his life and if he values his health and safety more than the accolades of being known as someone who fights to his limits and beyond there is nobody who can say that is wrong.

But don't rewrite what he said, he's not a do or die fighter, maybe in life, but not in the ring and he's admitted as much.