Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?

[JonesJrMayweather]

Cotto fought the best out there. The speculation on whether or nor Margarito used handwraps in that fight will always be there.

Cotto is a warrior, he got into a ring with a guy suspected of using illegal handwraps and he got into the ring with a guy known to be a HGH user.

HGH makes you just as good as you are in your athletic prime and in many cases better than you are in your athletic prime.

Mosley used the same sort of illegal drugs that Barry Bonds used. Barry Bonds was better in his late 30s using HGH than when he was natural and in his athletic prime, the same thing also applies to Roger Clemens.

Enough with the mosley "cheated" bullshit...even the opponent in which he supposedly "used" them against, says he believes mosley to be innocent...on top of that, Mosley has never been fined or penalized for any wrong doing.

[generalbulldog]

Cotto fought the best out there. The speculation on whether or nor Margarito used handwraps in that fight will always be there.

Cotto is a warrior, he got into a ring with a guy suspected of using illegal handwraps and he got into the ring with a guy known to be a HGH user.

HGH makes you just as good as you are in your athletic prime and in many cases better than you are in your athletic prime.

Mosley used the same sort of illegal drugs that Barry Bonds used. Barry Bonds was better in his late 30s using HGH than when he was natural and in his athletic prime, the same thing also applies to Roger Clemens.

Enough with the mosley "cheated" bullshit...even the opponent in which he supposedly "used" them against, says he believes mosley to be innocent...on top of that, Mosley has never been fined or penalized for any wrong doing.

HGH is virtually undetectable by piss tests. Bonds, Clemens, Petitite weren't penalized for using HGH in baseball, that doesn't mean they did not cheat. HGH not only brings back your prime, but in many cases makes you faster, stronger, more durable than when you are in your physical prime.

If Mosley is so good and better than that certain opponent (De La Hoya) that he was accused of doping against, then why not try and beat him fair and square?

Mosley is no better than Margarito. They are one and the same.

And what are you Mosley Publicist?

[JonesJrMayweather]

Cotto fought the best out there. The speculation on whether or nor Margarito used handwraps in that fight will always be there.

Cotto is a warrior, he got into a ring with a guy suspected of using illegal handwraps and he got into the ring with a guy known to be a HGH user.

HGH makes you just as good as you are in your athletic prime and in many cases better than you are in your athletic prime.

Mosley used the same sort of illegal drugs that Barry Bonds used. Barry Bonds was better in his late 30s using HGH than when he was natural and in his athletic prime, the same thing also applies to Roger Clemens.

Enough with the mosley "cheated" bullshit...even the opponent in which he supposedly "used" them against, says he believes mosley to be innocent...on top of that, Mosley has never been fined or penalized for any wrong doing.

HGH is virtually undetectable by piss tests. Bonds, Clemens, Petitite weren't penalized for using HGH in baseball, that doesn't mean they did not cheat. HGH not only brings back your prime, but in many cases makes you faster, stronger, more durable than when you are in your physical prime.

If Mosley is so good and better than that certain opponent (De La Hoya) that he was accused of doping against, then why not try and beat him fair and square?

Mosley is no better than Margarito. They are one and the same.

And what are you Mosley Publicist?

Mosley supposedly used them in the second fight...he clearly beat de la hoya in the first fight. What I don't understand is if the man he "used" them against believes him to be innocent of wrong doing, why are you trying to make a case against him? I don't remember Oscar demanding a fair and square rematch or going public about it..oh wait he did go public..stating that he knows mosley and believes that he wouldn't cheat. So let it go dude.

[generalbulldog]

Enough with the mosley "cheated" bullshit...even the opponent in which he supposedly "used" them against, says he believes mosley to be innocent...on top of that, Mosley has never been fined or penalized for any wrong doing.

HGH is virtually undetectable by piss tests. Bonds, Clemens, Petitite weren't penalized for using HGH in baseball, that doesn't mean they did not cheat. HGH not only brings back your prime, but in many cases makes you faster, stronger, more durable than when you are in your physical prime.

If Mosley is so good and better than that certain opponent (De La Hoya) that he was accused of doping against, then why not try and beat him fair and square?

Mosley is no better than Margarito. They are one and the same.

And what are you Mosley Publicist?

Mosley supposedly used them in the second fight...he clearly beat de la hoya in the first fight. What I don't understand is if the man he "used" them against believes him to be innocent of wrong doing, why are you trying to make a case against him? I don't remember Oscar demanding a fair and square rematch or going public about it..oh wait he did go public..stating that he knows mosley and believes that he wouldn't cheat. So let it go dude.

For one thing if De La Hoya went out and didn't act or pretend to act all gracious it hurts his public image. There is a reason why he's called the "golden boy". the image the guy has to lived up to.

And it's not supposedly, Mosley admitted to a grand jury that was prosecuting the Balco Labs that he used HGH. It's not "supposedly".
Actually his bullshit excuse just like many other athletes that got caught doping was, "I didn't know what I was taking." That's the same bullshit excuse that when an athlete gets caught cheating is, "I didn't know." Same thing with Margarito using the excuse, "I didn't know my trainer did that to my wraps." Sounds familiar?

And HGH makes you stronger, faster, it increases your stamina, why do you think so many athletes use it? If Mosley is so much better than De La Hoya, why use it?

And one last thing, the guys that uses HGH are actually just as good in their late 30s or early 40s like they were in their physical prime.

It's kind of funny that a guy like Shane Mosley is just as fast, strong, durable, and has great stamina just like in his twenties. Shit we all know the reason.

[JonesJrMayweather]

HGH is virtually undetectable by piss tests. Bonds, Clemens, Petitite weren't penalized for using HGH in baseball, that doesn't mean they did not cheat. HGH not only brings back your prime, but in many cases makes you faster, stronger, more durable than when you are in your physical prime.

If Mosley is so good and better than that certain opponent (De La Hoya) that he was accused of doping against, then why not try and beat him fair and square?

Mosley is no better than Margarito. They are one and the same.

And what are you Mosley Publicist?

Mosley supposedly used them in the second fight...he clearly beat de la hoya in the first fight. What I don't understand is if the man he "used" them against believes him to be innocent of wrong doing, why are you trying to make a case against him? I don't remember Oscar demanding a fair and square rematch or going public about it..oh wait he did go public..stating that he knows mosley and believes that he wouldn't cheat. So let it go dude.

For one thing if De La Hoya went out and didn't act or pretend to act all gracious it hurts his public image. There is a reason why he's called the "golden boy". the image the guy has to lived up to.

And it's not supposedly, Mosley admitted to a grand jury that was prosecuting the Balco Labs that he used HGH. It's not "supposedly".
Actually his bullshit excuse just like many other athletes that got caught doping was, "I didn't know what I was taking." That's the same bullshit excuse that when an athlete gets caught cheating is, "I didn't know." Same thing with Margarito using the excuse, "I didn't know my trainer did that to my wraps." Sounds familiar?

And HGH makes you stronger, faster, it increases your stamina, why do you think so many athletes use it? If Mosley is so much better than De La Hoya, why use it?

And one last thing, the guys that uses HGH are actually just as good in their late 30s or early 40s like they were in their physical prime.

It's kind of funny that a guy like Shane Mosley is just as fast, strong, durable, and has great stamina just like in his twenties. Shit we all know the reason.

You must've never seen mosley in his twenties? because he's no where near that fast. And he only seems to have the stamina because he doesn't move as much as he used to. He's a veteran now that basically stands and trades.

If the grand jury and athletic commission felt shane was innocent what's your point? Why keep calling him a willing cheater? Because the fight decision wasn't overturned, and neither was the margo win over cotto so you and everyone else that wants to make excuse as to why cotto got his ass sandblasted can keep reaching because isn't going to change a thing. Cotto got blasted plain and simple and after manny possibly knocks his ass out then the excuse will be something new.

[generalbulldog]

Mosley supposedly used them in the second fight...he clearly beat de la hoya in the first fight. What I don't understand is if the man he "used" them against believes him to be innocent of wrong doing, why are you trying to make a case against him? I don't remember Oscar demanding a fair and square rematch or going public about it..oh wait he did go public..stating that he knows mosley and believes that he wouldn't cheat. So let it go dude.

For one thing if De La Hoya went out and didn't act or pretend to act all gracious it hurts his public image. There is a reason why he's called the "golden boy". the image the guy has to lived up to.

And it's not supposedly, Mosley admitted to a grand jury that was prosecuting the Balco Labs that he used HGH. It's not "supposedly".
Actually his bullshit excuse just like many other athletes that got caught doping was, "I didn't know what I was taking." That's the same bullshit excuse that when an athlete gets caught cheating is, "I didn't know." Same thing with Margarito using the excuse, "I didn't know my trainer did that to my wraps." Sounds familiar?

And HGH makes you stronger, faster, it increases your stamina, why do you think so many athletes use it? If Mosley is so much better than De La Hoya, why use it?

And one last thing, the guys that uses HGH are actually just as good in their late 30s or early 40s like they were in their physical prime.

It's kind of funny that a guy like Shane Mosley is just as fast, strong, durable, and has great stamina just like in his twenties. Shit we all know the reason.

You must've never seen mosley in his twenties? because he's no where near that fast. And he only seems to have the stamina because he doesn't move as much as he used to. He's a veteran now that basically stands and trades.

If the grand jury and athletic commission felt shane was innocent what's your point? Why keep calling him a willing cheater? Because the fight decision wasn't overturned, and neither was the margo win over cotto so you and everyone else that wants to make excuse as to why cotto got his ass sandblasted can keep reaching because isn't going to change a thing. Cotto got blasted plain and simple and after manny possibly knocks his ass out then the excuse will be something new.

How the hell can you be innocent from cheating when you admit to using HGH? lol Actually it's "unknowingly." If Shane Mosley is innocent than Margarito should be innocent too right? He wasn't prosecuted from the feds because he didn't lie to them like Barry Bonds. But best believe he would have been prosecuted if he lied to them.

I've watched Mosley since he beat Phillip Holiday for the lightweight title in the 90s. And it looks like he's still just as fast, strong, better than when he was in his prime. It's HGH.

In the history of boxing almost every boxer was shot or on the serious decline at Shane Mosley's age, with the exception of Hopkins, but he uses his craftiness more than anything.

In fact name me one boxer in the history of the game that was just as strong, fast, sharp, and conditioned in his late 30s as he was in his 20s?
Can you do it?

[JonesJrMayweather]

For one thing if De La Hoya went out and didn't act or pretend to act all gracious it hurts his public image. There is a reason why he's called the "golden boy". the image the guy has to lived up to.

And it's not supposedly, Mosley admitted to a grand jury that was prosecuting the Balco Labs that he used HGH. It's not "supposedly".
Actually his bullshit excuse just like many other athletes that got caught doping was, "I didn't know what I was taking." That's the same bullshit excuse that when an athlete gets caught cheating is, "I didn't know." Same thing with Margarito using the excuse, "I didn't know my trainer did that to my wraps." Sounds familiar?

And HGH makes you stronger, faster, it increases your stamina, why do you think so many athletes use it? If Mosley is so much better than De La Hoya, why use it?

And one last thing, the guys that uses HGH are actually just as good in their late 30s or early 40s like they were in their physical prime.

It's kind of funny that a guy like Shane Mosley is just as fast, strong, durable, and has great stamina just like in his twenties. Shit we all know the reason.

You must've never seen mosley in his twenties? because he's no where near that fast. And he only seems to have the stamina because he doesn't move as much as he used to. He's a veteran now that basically stands and trades.

If the grand jury and athletic commission felt shane was innocent what's your point? Why keep calling him a willing cheater? Because the fight decision wasn't overturned, and neither was the margo win over cotto so you and everyone else that wants to make excuse as to why cotto got his ass sandblasted can keep reaching because isn't going to change a thing. Cotto got blasted plain and simple and after manny possibly knocks his ass out then the excuse will be something new.

How the hell can you be innocent from cheating when you admit to using HGH? lol Actually it's "unknowingly." If Shane Mosley is innocent than Margarito should be innocent too right? He wasn't prosecuted from the feds because he didn't lie to them like Barry Bonds. But best believe he would have been prosecuted if he lied to them.

I've watched Mosley since he beat Phillip Holiday for the lightweight title in the 90s. And it looks like he's still just as fast, strong, better than when he was in his prime. It's HGH.

In the history of boxing almost every boxer was shot or on the serious decline at Shane Mosley's age, with the exception of Hopkins, but he uses his craftiness more than anything.

In fact name me one boxer in the history of the game that was just as strong, fast, sharp, and conditioned in his late 30s as he was in his 20s?
Can you do it?

That's what I said, he's not a "willing cheater", the conti guy spiked his water or how ever it happened. Shane didn't know so calling him a cheater is unjust. And Shane was cleared by both the feds and the state athletic commission so let that go. And reason the feds aren't involved with Margo is because he wasn't involved with Balco he was trying to use plaster AGAINST SHANE, he was suspended for his actions before his fight with SHANE. I emphasize SHANE because you can't link that fight to his others. And just because you won't accept the decisions by both NSAC and the Grand Jury regarding Shane not being a cheater for whatever reason doesn't change a thing. Like I said let it go, he was cleared twice.


In the history of the sport most fighters go up in weight because its harder or they lack motivation to maintain the prime weight. Mosley added years to his career by one,he's never taken a serious beating and two by going up 154 so early and staying there now that he's back down to 147 he looks much better by comparison to the fights at 154. But by no means is he as fast, quick, or punch out like he did when first got to WW and certainly not when he was at 135.

[donnydarkoIRL]

HGH is virtually undetectable by piss tests. Bonds, Clemens, Petitite weren't penalized for using HGH in baseball, that doesn't mean they did not cheat. HGH not only brings back your prime, but in many cases makes you faster, stronger, more durable than when you are in your physical prime.

If Mosley is so good and better than that certain opponent (De La Hoya) that he was accused of doping against, then why not try and beat him fair and square?

Mosley is no better than Margarito. They are one and the same.

And what are you Mosley Publicist?

Human Growth Hormone does not bring back ones prime.
It merely induces a state of growth that allows the body to grow in mass and strength.

Shane Mosley in search of bigger purses, made the jump from Lightweight to Welterweight, bypassing the 140lb duivsion.
To help him do so, Mosley sought out BALCO. A pharmecutical company which had been affiliated with the success of other athletes such as Evander Holyfield and Marion Jones.
At this time Balco were seen to be a perfectly legitimate supplementation company which also came highly advised by Mosley's strength and conditioining coach.

Mosley underwent a course of "boosters" from BALCO before the ODLH fight.
To the best of Mosley's knowledge he was being administered "revolutionary" new supplements that would help him forge a legacy in the Welterweight division.
In reality BALCO injected Shane with HGH "the cream and the clear."

Upon testing Shane strongly denied accusations and even went as far as to file defamation claims. Investigations were ongoing, Mosley vehemently denied steroid usage.

When suited with the results Shane held his hands up and admitted that these substances were indeed found.
He then filed a suit against BALCO.


Shane utilised BALCO's products to gain size, hardly a massive injustice as he would have gained very little in terms of performance other than the bulk of a man at 147.

Shane to this day is injecting supplementation, although now I believe he is more guarded and utilises primarily anti-oxidants.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Fuk all the BALCO talk.

Cotto is good but Mosley is better. Yeah I know Mosley lost but IMO he fought the wrong fight; He was suprised by Cotto's boxing ability.

Cotto was on the back foot by the end of the fight. Forget he's excuses for why. The real reasons became apparent in the Margarito and Clottey fights.

Cotto isn't quite the warrior he'd have us all believe.

Mosley would K.O cotto in a Re-match.

Also, for the sake of this argument, id LOVE to see how Cotto handled a PRIME Dela Hoya at 147

[Rantcatrat]

Because he slaughtered the guy who butchered the guy who beat him, but he did this MOST RECENTLY. My guess is Mosley is fresher than Cotto and that's why I have have him ranked higher--that and the fact I saw Margo's ghost in his fight with Clottey.

Yea, but Cotto beat Clottey even more recently and he beat Mosley. Plus, Mosley looked mediocre in his win over Mayorga, which was the fight before Margarito.

Either way you cut it Cotto has taken on every single fighter out there. How anyone could not say Cotto is a warrior is beyond me.

Mosley is ranked above Cotto because Mosley beat Margarito. I can get that: Margarito was ranked number one and Mosley beat the number one guy. That said, Cotto beat Mosley, the current number one, and beat Clottey, the current number three.

If I'm getting everyone's points, everyone would agree that if Cotto rematched Margarito and beat him, he unequivocally would be ranked number one. Correct? And what if he beats Manny?

[donnydarkoIRL]

Yea, but Cotto beat Clottey even more recently and he beat Mosley. Plus, Mosley looked mediocre in his win over Mayorga, which was the fight before Margarito.

Either way you cut it Cotto has taken on every single fighter out there. How anyone could not say Cotto is a warrior is beyond me.

Mosley is ranked above Cotto because Mosley beat Margarito. I can get that: Margarito was ranked number one and Mosley beat the number one guy. That said, Cotto beat Mosley, the current number one, and beat Clottey, the current number three.

If I'm getting everyone's points, everyone would agree that if Cotto rematched Margarito and beat him, he unequivocally would be ranked number one. Correct? And what if he beats Manny?

All Cotto has to do is fight Mosley again...simple as.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Yea, but Cotto beat Clottey even more recently and he beat Mosley. Plus, Mosley looked mediocre in his win over Mayorga, which was the fight before Margarito.

Either way you cut it Cotto has taken on every single fighter out there. How anyone could not say Cotto is a warrior is beyond me.

Mosley is ranked above Cotto because Mosley beat Margarito. I can get that: Margarito was ranked number one and Mosley beat the number one guy. That said, Cotto beat Mosley, the current number one, and beat Clottey, the current number three.

If I'm getting everyone's points, everyone would agree that if Cotto rematched Margarito and beat him, he unequivocally would be ranked number one. Correct? And what if he beats Manny?

All Cotto has to do is fight Mosley again...simple as.

Yeah i think that the WW division kind of Stood still when Floyd was about. Everyone wanted to fight him and no one really seemed to be fighting each other (if that makes sense).

Now that Manny Pacquiao has blown up in weight the same Welters, who for a while, were getting on with it in some great fights have seemed to be dragged back in to this equation of 'Who's gonna fight the P4P King'..

Fuk P4P. Mosley and Cotto are No.1 & 2 and thats a great reason, if any, for a rematch.

REMATCH BABY!!

[ElTerribleMorales]

Fuk all the BALCO talk.

Cotto is good but Mosley is better. Yeah I know Mosley lost but IMO he fought the wrong fight; He was suprised by Cotto's boxing ability.

Cotto was on the back foot by the end of the fight. Forget he's excuses for why. The real reasons became apparent in the Margarito and Clottey fights.

Cotto isn't quite the warrior he'd have us all believe.

Mosley would K.O cotto in a Re-match.

Also, for the sake of this argument, id LOVE to see how Cotto handled a PRIME Dela Hoya at 147

yea cause only a pussy would fight on for 9 rnds with a gash like this one



or this one

[Taeth]

How is Cotto not a warrior? Also he outboxed Mosley early on in their fight, and he landed some big punches off the back foot, I don't think anyone believes Cotto is the most durable guy on the planet, but he's one of the toughest.

[kingfrnk]

How is Cotto not a warrior? Also he outboxed Mosley early on in their fight, and he landed some big punches off the back foot, I don't think anyone believes Cotto is the most durable guy on the planet, but he's one of the toughest.

agreed