Can one really be ranked P4P when you demand catch weights?

[Bilbo's Mom]

Ray Leonard, Oscar and Duran. Oscar went from superfeater to middleweight champ and he wasnt fighting guys coming off losses like Pac either.

Pac fought a washed up Barrera coming off a loss and the commentary scored it for Barrera. Everytime Pac met Morales, Erik was coming off a loss and Erik beat him once aswel. Then he meets Oscar at the end of his career who had moved down from middleweight . He had no energy in round 1 and Pac still couldnt drop him and it took 9 rounds of non stop punching without Oscar punching back. Then Pac meets another Floyd Mayweather leftover in Hatton.

The last time Pac met fighters on teh way up instead of the way down in was Sungursat and Torrencamp and both men knocked Pac clean out in 3 easy rounds. FACT

haha 3 names all WRONG!

When did Oscar fight the BEST middleweight at their weight?

He fought Bernard AT A CATCHWEIGHT AND GOT KNOCKED OUT

Then he fought Felix Sturm, a paper belt holder and lost by virtually every fans scorecard.


Ray Leonard won the light heavy title AT A CATCHWEIGHT

NONE OF THEM WENT THROUGH 8 DIVISION.

DURAN LOST TO HAGLER,

Lol thats rich coming from a pacfan when you consider everyone thinks Marquez dominated Pac both times.

So Diaz was the best lighhtweight was he . You guys make me laugh

Actually I'm not a Pacfan at all other than I appreciate he's a fantastic fighter.

I thought both fights with Marquez were extremely close and could have gone either way.

What I am is objective and not a fanboy or hater.

You're arguments are just detached from reality. You equate Cotto dropping 2 single pounds to fight Manny at 144 to Lennox Lewis dropping 30 lbs to fight Roy Jones at 210.

You say a win over Cotto at 145 would mean nothing then point out how Oscar and Ray Leonard's achievements were better apparently missing that Oscar fought B Hop at a catchweight and got KO'd to a (what would have to be according to you) a massively weight drained shell in B Hop.

Then Leonard wins a light heavyweight title against the all time great that is Donny Lalonde also at a catchweight.

You simply have no idea what you are talking about.

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haha 3 names all WRONG!

When did Oscar fight the BEST middleweight at their weight?

He fought Bernard AT A CATCHWEIGHT AND GOT KNOCKED OUT

Then he fought Felix Sturm, a paper belt holder and lost by virtually every fans scorecard.


Ray Leonard won the light heavy title AT A CATCHWEIGHT

NONE OF THEM WENT THROUGH 8 DIVISION.

DURAN LOST TO HAGLER,

Lol thats rich coming from a pacfan when you consider everyone thinks Marquez dominated Pac both times.

So Diaz was the best lighhtweight was he . You guys make me laugh

Actually I'm not a Pacfan at all other than I appreciate he's a fantastic fighter.

I thought both fights with Marquez were extremely close and could have gone either way.

What I am is objective and not a fanboy or hater.

You're arguments are just detached from reality. You equate Cotto dropping 2 single pounds to fight Manny at 144 to Lennox Lewis dropping 30 lbs to fight Roy Jones at 210.

You say a win over Cotto at 145 would mean nothing then point out how Oscar and Ray Leonard's achievements were better apparently missing that Oscar fought B Hop at a catchweight and got KO'd to a (what would have to be according to you) a massively weight drained shell in B Hop.

Then Leonard wins a light heavyweight title against the all time great that is Donny Lalonde also at a catchweight.

You simply have no idea what you are talking about.

When have I ever said any of that stuff. I think you are quoting the wrong person

[Bilbo's Mom]

Lol thats rich coming from a pacfan when you consider everyone thinks Marquez dominated Pac both times.

So Diaz was the best lighhtweight was he . You guys make me laugh

Actually I'm not a Pacfan at all other than I appreciate he's a fantastic fighter.

I thought both fights with Marquez were extremely close and could have gone either way.

What I am is objective and not a fanboy or hater.

You're arguments are just detached from reality. You equate Cotto dropping 2 single pounds to fight Manny at 144 to Lennox Lewis dropping 30 lbs to fight Roy Jones at 210.

You say a win over Cotto at 145 would mean nothing then point out how Oscar and Ray Leonard's achievements were better apparently missing that Oscar fought B Hop at a catchweight and got KO'd to a (what would have to be according to you) a massively weight drained shell in B Hop.

Then Leonard wins a light heavyweight title against the all time great that is Donny Lalonde also at a catchweight.

You simply have no idea what you are talking about.

When have I ever said any of that stuff. I think you are quoting the wrong person

Ah my bad if it wasn't you