Would Juan Manuel Marquez's Brother Have Done Better Against Manny Pacquiao P4P ?

[Violent Demise]

Pound for pound Rafael hits harder than Juan. If Pacquiao were to trade with him, Pacquiao would get knocked out. Pacquiao has always been a sucker for the right hand. Rafael's right is the best in Boxing.

What the hell have you been smoking? Rafael's right is not the best in boxing, its not as good as Juan Manuel's. Floyd Mayweather, Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr, Pavlik, David Haye, Wladimir when he uses it all have better crosses. Rafael is a great left handed fighter, but his right isn't all that, and if he traded with Pacquiao, its him not Pacquiao who has durability issues, and its Pacquiao who hits harder than Rafael at 122 p4p.

What durability issues? He's been stopped once in recent years. And that was clearly a pre-mature stoppage against a p4p fighter. The losses early in his career can't be used against him cuz he's not the same fighter. Just like Pacquiao's early stoppage losses can't be used against him. Rafael can be hurt. I'm not saying he has the greatest chin. But to say he's not durable is typical stupidity coming from you. To say Rafael's right hand ain't all that shows how big of an idiot you really are. Pacquiao has looked greatly lately. But that's cuz he's been facing fighters incapable of hitting him. But if you hit him you can hurt him. Rafael would hit him. And he would hurt him.

[Taeth]

Pound for pound Rafael hits harder than Juan. If Pacquiao were to trade with him, Pacquiao would get knocked out. Pacquiao has always been a sucker for the right hand. Rafael's right is the best in Boxing.

What the hell have you been smoking? Rafael's right is not the best in boxing, its not as good as Juan Manuel's. Floyd Mayweather, Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr, Pavlik, David Haye, Wladimir when he uses it all have better crosses. Rafael is a great left handed fighter, but his right isn't all that, and if he traded with Pacquiao, its him not Pacquiao who has durability issues, and its Pacquiao who hits harder than Rafael at 122 p4p.

What durability issues? He's been stopped once in recent years. And that was clearly a pre-mature stoppage against a p4p fighter. The losses early in his career can't be used against him cuz he's not the same fighter. Just like Pacquiao's early stoppage losses can't be used against him. Rafael can be hurt. I'm not saying he has the greatest chin. But to say he's not durable is typical stupidity coming from you. To say Rafael's right hand ain't all that shows how big of an idiot you really are. Pacquiao has looked greatly lately. But that's cuz he's been facing fighters incapable of hitting him. But if you hit him you can hurt him. Rafael would hit him. And he would hurt him.

Watch Pacquiao-Marquez 1 or Pacquiao-Morales 1, he moved to face Morales and he took a ton of punches, but still kept on coming.

Also Marquez was 23 when Mataeos ko'ed him. And he was 25 when Genaro Garcia ko'ed him. Pacquiao was 18 and 20 when he was ko'ed and at 20 he was badly weight drained.

Also I didn't say Rafael didn't have a good right cross, just that it isn't the best in the sport, and you saying that shows that you are 10x stupider than I am. Manny hasn't looked just great lately, he's looked good for years. Rafael Marquez is also an excellent fighter, but he is a poor second to his brother, besides p4p power, he's not as good of a pure boxer, not as fast, not as good at counter punching, doesn't have the same quality of chin. He's a slightly lesser fighter than his brother Juan Manuel Marquez, thats nothing to be ashamed of. However, his chin, his average defensive skills wouldn't be enough to hold Pacquiao at bay, I think it would be a great fight but around rounds 9-11 Pacquiao would stop him.

[Violent Demise]

What the hell have you been smoking? Rafael's right is not the best in boxing, its not as good as Juan Manuel's. Floyd Mayweather, Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr, Pavlik, David Haye, Wladimir when he uses it all have better crosses. Rafael is a great left handed fighter, but his right isn't all that, and if he traded with Pacquiao, its him not Pacquiao who has durability issues, and its Pacquiao who hits harder than Rafael at 122 p4p.

What durability issues? He's been stopped once in recent years. And that was clearly a pre-mature stoppage against a p4p fighter. The losses early in his career can't be used against him cuz he's not the same fighter. Just like Pacquiao's early stoppage losses can't be used against him. Rafael can be hurt. I'm not saying he has the greatest chin. But to say he's not durable is typical stupidity coming from you. To say Rafael's right hand ain't all that shows how big of an idiot you really are. Pacquiao has looked greatly lately. But that's cuz he's been facing fighters incapable of hitting him. But if you hit him you can hurt him. Rafael would hit him. And he would hurt him.

Watch Pacquiao-Marquez 1 or Pacquiao-Morales 1, he moved to face Morales and he took a ton of punches, but still kept on coming.

Also Marquez was 23 when Mataeos ko'ed him. And he was 25 when Genaro Garcia ko'ed him. Pacquiao was 18 and 20 when he was ko'ed and at 20 he was badly weight drained.

Also I didn't say Rafael didn't have a good right cross, just that it isn't the best in the sport, and you saying that shows that you are 10x stupider than I am. Manny hasn't looked just great lately, he's looked good for years. Rafael Marquez is also an excellent fighter, but he is a poor second to his brother, besides p4p power, he's not as good of a pure boxer, not as fast, not as good at counter punching, doesn't have the same quality of chin. He's a slightly lesser fighter than his brother Juan Manuel Marquez, thats nothing to be ashamed of. However, his chin, his average defensive skills wouldn't be enough to hold Pacquiao at bay, I think it would be a great fight but around rounds 9-11 Pacquiao would stop him.

It's obvious you never saw his loss to Garcia. If you did you wouldn't of bother listing it. I know you swear by it, but trust me Boxing Rec ain't always your friend. Rafael doesn't have to be like Juan Manuel. Cuz there different type of fighters. Rafael has the power to hurt Pacquiao. Who did not just walk through every thing Morales and Marquez threw. I don't know what fights you were watching. If you watched them at all. He was clearly hurt by both fighters several times.

Rafael is not as well known as a Hopkins, Jones or Mayweather. So I'm really not surprised you listed the most popular fighters today as having better right hands than him. As foolish as that is. You don't have enough knowledge on Rafael to understand. Not that it matters. Your answer would be the same no matter the question. Who has the best chin? You would say Jones, Mayweather and Hopkins. The best power? Jones, Mayweather and Hopkins. And so on.

[Taeth]

What durability issues? He's been stopped once in recent years. And that was clearly a pre-mature stoppage against a p4p fighter. The losses early in his career can't be used against him cuz he's not the same fighter. Just like Pacquiao's early stoppage losses can't be used against him. Rafael can be hurt. I'm not saying he has the greatest chin. But to say he's not durable is typical stupidity coming from you. To say Rafael's right hand ain't all that shows how big of an idiot you really are. Pacquiao has looked greatly lately. But that's cuz he's been facing fighters incapable of hitting him. But if you hit him you can hurt him. Rafael would hit him. And he would hurt him.

Watch Pacquiao-Marquez 1 or Pacquiao-Morales 1, he moved to face Morales and he took a ton of punches, but still kept on coming.

Also Marquez was 23 when Mataeos ko'ed him. And he was 25 when Genaro Garcia ko'ed him. Pacquiao was 18 and 20 when he was ko'ed and at 20 he was badly weight drained.

Also I didn't say Rafael didn't have a good right cross, just that it isn't the best in the sport, and you saying that shows that you are 10x stupider than I am. Manny hasn't looked just great lately, he's looked good for years. Rafael Marquez is also an excellent fighter, but he is a poor second to his brother, besides p4p power, he's not as good of a pure boxer, not as fast, not as good at counter punching, doesn't have the same quality of chin. He's a slightly lesser fighter than his brother Juan Manuel Marquez, thats nothing to be ashamed of. However, his chin, his average defensive skills wouldn't be enough to hold Pacquiao at bay, I think it would be a great fight but around rounds 9-11 Pacquiao would stop him.

It's obvious you never saw his loss to Garcia. If you did you wouldn't of bother listing it. I know you swear by it, but trust me Boxing Rec ain't always your friend. Rafael doesn't have to be like Juan Manuel. Cuz there different type of fighters. Rafael has the power to hurt Pacquiao. Who did not just walk through every thing Morales and Marquez threw. I don't know what fights you were watching. If you watched them at all. He was clearly hurt by both fighters several times.

Rafael is not as well known as a Hopkins, Jones or Mayweather. So I'm really not surprised you listed the most popular fighters today as having better right hands than him. As foolish as that is. You don't have enough knowledge on Rafael to understand. Not that it matters. Your answer would be the same no matter the question. Who has the best chin? You would say Jones, Mayweather and Hopkins. The best power? Jones, Mayweather and Hopkins. And so on.

Roy Jones Jr, Mayweather, and Hopkins are known for their crosses being the best in the sport. Who lands their cross more accurate than these three, besides maybe Manny? Like I said they are known for their crosses, Marquez isn't, not because he is an unknown comodity, but because his right cross isn't even his best punch, yet you are ignorant enough to think its the best right hand in the sport.

Your ignorance is also shown because Pacquiao clearly was getting the better of Israel Vazquez when they sparred for his first bout against Barrera.

Also about the Genaro Garcia fight, it was stopped prematurely, but was he not hurt? Manny often looks a lot more hurt than he is because he doesn't have the best balance due to his old style, but Morales and Marquez weren't able to stop him with a ton of perfectly landed punches and combinations, and I didn't say they didn't have an effect on him, but I did say he kept coming, which Manny did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYD3DQ_OwTQ
Manny is too much for him, bigger, faster, stronger.

[Violent Demise]

Watch Pacquiao-Marquez 1 or Pacquiao-Morales 1, he moved to face Morales and he took a ton of punches, but still kept on coming.

Also Marquez was 23 when Mataeos ko'ed him. And he was 25 when Genaro Garcia ko'ed him. Pacquiao was 18 and 20 when he was ko'ed and at 20 he was badly weight drained.

Also I didn't say Rafael didn't have a good right cross, just that it isn't the best in the sport, and you saying that shows that you are 10x stupider than I am. Manny hasn't looked just great lately, he's looked good for years. Rafael Marquez is also an excellent fighter, but he is a poor second to his brother, besides p4p power, he's not as good of a pure boxer, not as fast, not as good at counter punching, doesn't have the same quality of chin. He's a slightly lesser fighter than his brother Juan Manuel Marquez, thats nothing to be ashamed of. However, his chin, his average defensive skills wouldn't be enough to hold Pacquiao at bay, I think it would be a great fight but around rounds 9-11 Pacquiao would stop him.

It's obvious you never saw his loss to Garcia. If you did you wouldn't of bother listing it. I know you swear by it, but trust me Boxing Rec ain't always your friend. Rafael doesn't have to be like Juan Manuel. Cuz there different type of fighters. Rafael has the power to hurt Pacquiao. Who did not just walk through every thing Morales and Marquez threw. I don't know what fights you were watching. If you watched them at all. He was clearly hurt by both fighters several times.

Rafael is not as well known as a Hopkins, Jones or Mayweather. So I'm really not surprised you listed the most popular fighters today as having better right hands than him. As foolish as that is. You don't have enough knowledge on Rafael to understand. Not that it matters. Your answer would be the same no matter the question. Who has the best chin? You would say Jones, Mayweather and Hopkins. The best power? Jones, Mayweather and Hopkins. And so on.

Wow you are stupid, Roy Jones Jr, Mayweather, and Hopkins are known for their crosses being the best in the sport. Who lands their cross more accurate than these three, besides maybe Manny? Like I said they are known for their crosses, Marquez isn't, not because he is an unknown comodity, but because his right cross isn't even his best punch, yet you are ignorant enough to think its the best right hand in the sport.

Your ignorance is also shown because Pacquiao clearly was getting the better of Israel Vazquez when they sparred for his first bout against Barrera.

Also about the Genaro Garcia fight, it was stopped prematurely, but was he not hurt? Manny often looks a lot more hurt than he is because he doesn't have the best balance due to his old style, but Morales and Marquez weren't able to stop him with a ton of perfectly landed punches and combinations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYD3DQ_OwTQ
Manny is too much for him, bigger, faster, stronger.

Your stupidity really has no limit. Hopkins is known for having the best right cross? Since fukking when? Roy Jones? LOL. His right ain't even in the top 10 today. I'm surprised your ass didn't mention Holyfield or De La Hoya. There popular names.

And what the fukk does Vazquez have to do with anything? We discussing Rafael Marquez. Not Vazquez. On top of that it was sparring. It means nothing. Spadafora got the better of Mayweather in sparring. Does that mean he beats him in a pro fight? No it does not. Valero got the better of Morales in sparring. Morales toys with him in an actual fight. Only an idiot like yourself would use sparring as an example. I laugh at your desperateness and stupidity.

Poor balance is just an excuse. I bet you bought the socks excuse as well, huh? You hit Pac in the chin and like any other fighter he will get hurt. Balance ain't got shiit to do with it. Was it poor balance when Larios stunned him? When Marquez? No.

[Taeth]

Poor balance is just an excuse? Then why wasn't Manny knocked down? Why weren't they able to stop him? The point is every fighter gets hurt, but not every fight goes down or is stopped when they get hurt. Manny hasn't been stopped from a punch to the head or from taking to many shots. But of his stoppages which came when he was a teenager were body shots. But back to the balance, anyone that has ever boxed before knows that balance matters when you take a punch, if you don't have a strong foundation, when somebody hits you cleanly, you will be off balance.

As for Hopkins not having a great right hand or Roy Jones? What were they landing on Calzaghe? Did you see JOnes against Trinidad? He landed his right hand at will. Hopkins landed his right hand against Winky Wright, Tarver, and Calzaghe to great effect.

If you think you know guys with better crosses than Mayweather, Pacquiao, Hopkins, and Roy JOnes Jr then list them, I know the list won't accurate already, but you go on and list the people who throws better crosses.

Also sparring doesn't mean anything in terms of power, but it does matter in terms of speed, and power is the one thing Manny doesn't have to worry about, he hits harder than either Marquez or Vazqeuz. Also your comparable examples are terrible, Mayweather wasn't training when he sparred Spadafora, Morales wasn't getting owned by Valero, and we don't know how good Valero is, supposedly he was owning Oscar in sparring as well. He may be a lot better than his competition allows him to show.

[Violent Demise]

Poor balance is just an excuse? Then why wasn't Manny knocked down? Why weren't they able to stop him? The point is every fighter gets hurt, but not every fight goes down or is stopped when they get hurt. Manny hasn't been stopped from a punch to the head or from taking to many shots. But of his stoppages which came when he was a teenager were body shots. But back to the balance, anyone that has ever boxed before knows that balance matters when you take a punch, if you don't have a strong foundation, when somebody hits you cleanly, you will be off balance.

As for Hopkins not having a great right hand or Roy Jones? What were they landing on Calzaghe? Did you see JOnes against Trinidad? He landed his right hand at will. Hopkins landed his right hand against Winky Wright, Tarver, and Calzaghe to great effect.

If you think you know guys with better crosses than Mayweather, Pacquiao, Hopkins, and Roy JOnes Jr then list them, I know the list won't accurate already, but you go on and list the people who throws better crosses.

Also sparring doesn't mean anything in terms of power, but it does matter in terms of speed, and power is the one thing Manny doesn't have to worry about, he hits harder than either Marquez or Vazqeuz. Also your comparable examples are terrible, Mayweather wasn't training when he sparred Spadafora, Morales wasn't getting owned by Valero, and we don't know how good Valero is, supposedly he was owning Oscar in sparring as well. He may be a lot better than his competition allows him to show.

Wow. Those are your examples? Are you fukking kidding me? "Jones landed his right at will against Trinidad" Who the fukk cares? Who wouldn't? I'm surprised you didn't use the Omar Sheika fight as an example. Jones was able to take the few punches Trinidad landed against him. OMG Jones chin is granite. Fukking idiot. Your living in the past. Hopkins right isn't used enough any more to be considered the best. Pacquiao best punch has always been and will always be his left hand. To say his right is one of the best in Boxing shows how clueless you really are.

[mad_takamura]

Pound for pound Rafael hits harder than Juan. If Pacquiao were to trade with him, Pacquiao would get knocked out. Pacquiao has always been a sucker for the right hand. Rafael's right is the best in Boxing.

What the hell have you been smoking? Rafael's right is not the best in boxing, its not as good as Juan Manuel's. Floyd Mayweather, Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr, Pavlik, David Haye, Wladimir when he uses it all have better crosses. Rafael is a great left handed fighter, but his right isn't all that, and if he traded with Pacquiao, its him not Pacquiao who has durability issues, and its Pacquiao who hits harder than Rafael at 122 p4p.

What durability issues? He's been stopped once in recent years. And that was clearly a pre-mature stoppage against a p4p fighter. The losses early in his career can't be used against him cuz he's not the same fighter. Just like Pacquiao's early stoppage losses can't be used against him. Rafael can be hurt. I'm not saying he has the greatest chin. But to say he's not durable is typical stupidity coming from you. To say Rafael's right hand ain't all that shows how big of an idiot you really are. Pacquiao has looked greatly lately. But that's cuz he's been facing fighters incapable of hitting him. But if you hit him you can hurt him. Rafael would hit him. And he would hurt him.

the p4p fighter you're mentioning is izzy vasquez and to tell you as a matter of factly izzy is the former sparring mate of manny! at that level since he was the sparring partner of manny, and since he ko'ed rafa, then pac could also do it if not more easily.

it's not really power that can beat manny if ever they met at that same weight back then. it's intelligence. jmm made a fight out of manny because he studied manny's moves, seen the right angles etc. and countered him brilliantly.in short he did it with brains and what is more impressive was he did it under pressure. rafa is not as smart as his brother. imo under pressure just like what happened to the izzy fight, and considering manny as more agressive, and in fact more powerful in the 122pnds than izzy, it's him who will get ktfo not manny! vd i thought you know your idols well? it seems it's your blind nuthuggery that keep stretching the facts huh?

rafa is indeed durable. if you studied his demeanor and compared it to jmm kd (pac-jmm 1)to rafa kd or tko by izzy, rafa looks more disoriented than jmm. his legs were wobbly, his face red, his eyes is not there, you're even lucky the referee stopped the fight or he could have suffered serious damage! jmm in that fight which was called a draw, stood up and iv'e seen his legs not wobbly unlike his brother. taeth was right rafa really have a suspect jaw1 it seems facing power punchers there is a good chance rafa will get ktfo!

plus all the tko loss of pac happened due to body shots. he did get kd before, but it's you who said that that was the past and pac is not the same fighter anymore. saying rafa will ko pac with his right hand is like saying he should be ranked higher than his brother p4p! you gotta be an illusionist!

[brucelee]

What the hell have you been smoking? Rafael's right is not the best in boxing, its not as good as Juan Manuel's. Floyd Mayweather, Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr, Pavlik, David Haye, Wladimir when he uses it all have better crosses. Rafael is a great left handed fighter, but his right isn't all that, and if he traded with Pacquiao, its him not Pacquiao who has durability issues, and its Pacquiao who hits harder than Rafael at 122 p4p.

What durability issues? He's been stopped once in recent years. And that was clearly a pre-mature stoppage against a p4p fighter. The losses early in his career can't be used against him cuz he's not the same fighter. Just like Pacquiao's early stoppage losses can't be used against him. Rafael can be hurt. I'm not saying he has the greatest chin. But to say he's not durable is typical stupidity coming from you. To say Rafael's right hand ain't all that shows how big of an idiot you really are. Pacquiao has looked greatly lately. But that's cuz he's been facing fighters incapable of hitting him. But if you hit him you can hurt him. Rafael would hit him. And he would hurt him.

the p4p fighter you're mentioning is izzy vasquez and to tell you as a matter of factly izzy is the former sparring mate of manny! at that level since he was the sparring partner of manny, and since he ko'ed rafa, then pac could also do it if not more easily.

it's not really power that can beat manny if ever they met at that same weight back then. it's intelligence. jmm made a fight out of manny because he studied manny's moves, seen the right angles etc. and countered him brilliantly.in short he did it with brains and what is more impressive was he did it under pressure. rafa is not as smart as his brother. imo under pressure just like what happened to the izzy fight, and considering manny as more agressive, and in fact more powerful in the 122pnds than izzy, it's him who will get ktfo not manny! vd i thought you know your idols well? it seems it's your blind nuthuggery that keep stretching the facts huh?

rafa is indeed durable. if you studied his demeanor and compared it to jmm kd (pac-jmm 1)to rafa kd or tko by izzy, rafa looks more disoriented than jmm. his legs were wobbly, his face red, his eyes is not there, you're even lucky the referee stopped the fight or he could have suffered serious damage! jmm in that fight which was called a draw, stood up and iv'e seen his legs not wobbly unlike his brother. taeth was right rafa really have a suspect jaw1 it seems facing power punchers there is a good chance rafa will get ktfo!

plus all the tko loss of pac happened due to body shots. he did get kd before, but it's you who said that that was the past and pac is not the same fighter anymore. saying rafa will ko pac with his right hand is like saying he should be ranked higher than his brother p4p! you gotta be an illusionist!

well said.

btw, you can't expect an intelligent answer from VD all the time. When pac is involved, even if the opponent is Agapito Sanchez, he'd say Pac will get demolished. AS far as I can remember, he hasn't predicted correctly any pac fight.

lastly, I won't make a comment regarding hypothetical matches especially matches that won't happen(e.g. Pac vs RM) coz it's simply not practical. IMO.

Answers would usually be biased and sometimes debaters come to a point of even disrespecting fighters just to win an argument.

Had pac not won against Diaz, DLH and Hatton, can we be truly convinced that he will win against Rafa? Our judgements are usually tainted with a fighter's current performance and I've seen it happening here in Saddo countless times already.

Pac will have a hard time against Rafa for sure.

[The Congressman]

I can't wait for Izzy-Rafa 4. When is that happening anyway? I say Vazquez beats Marquez for the 3rd time. Rafa can't figure out Izzy's left hook, I don't think he will ever. He's so vunerable with a left hand.

[ICB]

I can't wait for Izzy-Rafa 4. When is that happening anyway? I say Vazquez beats Marquez for the 3rd time. Rafa can't figure out Izzy's left hook, I don't think he will ever. He's so vunerable with a left hand.

I don't think it is happening last i heard Rafael Marquez was supposed to fight Jhonny Gonzalez, and then they were trying to set up Israel Vasquez vs Juan Manuel Lopez, whichever fight they choose i just want to see them back in the ring.

[mad_takamura]

What durability issues? He's been stopped once in recent years. And that was clearly a pre-mature stoppage against a p4p fighter. The losses early in his career can't be used against him cuz he's not the same fighter. Just like Pacquiao's early stoppage losses can't be used against him. Rafael can be hurt. I'm not saying he has the greatest chin. But to say he's not durable is typical stupidity coming from you. To say Rafael's right hand ain't all that shows how big of an idiot you really are. Pacquiao has looked greatly lately. But that's cuz he's been facing fighters incapable of hitting him. But if you hit him you can hurt him. Rafael would hit him. And he would hurt him.

the p4p fighter you're mentioning is izzy vasquez and to tell you as a matter of factly izzy is the former sparring mate of manny! at that level since he was the sparring partner of manny, and since he ko'ed rafa, then pac could also do it if not more easily.

it's not really power that can beat manny if ever they met at that same weight back then. it's intelligence. jmm made a fight out of manny because he studied manny's moves, seen the right angles etc. and countered him brilliantly.in short he did it with brains and what is more impressive was he did it under pressure. rafa is not as smart as his brother. imo under pressure just like what happened to the izzy fight, and considering manny as more agressive, and in fact more powerful in the 122pnds than izzy, it's him who will get ktfo not manny! vd i thought you know your idols well? it seems it's your blind nuthuggery that keep stretching the facts huh?

rafa is indeed durable. if you studied his demeanor and compared it to jmm kd (pac-jmm 1)to rafa kd or tko by izzy, rafa looks more disoriented than jmm. his legs were wobbly, his face red, his eyes is not there, you're even lucky the referee stopped the fight or he could have suffered serious damage! jmm in that fight which was called a draw, stood up and iv'e seen his legs not wobbly unlike his brother. taeth was right rafa really have a suspect jaw1 it seems facing power punchers there is a good chance rafa will get ktfo!

plus all the tko loss of pac happened due to body shots. he did get kd before, but it's you who said that that was the past and pac is not the same fighter anymore. saying rafa will ko pac with his right hand is like saying he should be ranked higher than his brother p4p! you gotta be an illusionist!

well said.

btw, you can't expect an intelligent answer from VD all the time. When pac is involved, even if the opponent is Agapito Sanchez, he'd say Pac will get demolished. AS far as I can remember, he hasn't predicted correctly any pac fight.

lastly, I won't make a comment regarding hypothetical matches especially matches that won't happen(e.g. Pac vs RM) coz it's simply not practical. IMO.

Answers would usually be biased and sometimes debaters come to a point of even disrespecting fighters just to win an argument.

Had pac not won against Diaz, DLH and Hatton, can we be truly convinced that he will win against Rafa? Our judgements are usually tainted with a fighter's current performance and I've seen it happening here in Saddo countless times already.

Pac will have a hard time against Rafa for sure.

vd always talk about hypothetical matches because that's where he feels safe. like a little kid in some mother's bosom.

[CFH]

the p4p fighter you're mentioning is izzy vasquez and to tell you as a matter of factly izzy is the former sparring mate of manny! at that level since he was the sparring partner of manny, and since he ko'ed rafa, then pac could also do it if not more easily.

it's not really power that can beat manny if ever they met at that same weight back then. it's intelligence. jmm made a fight out of manny because he studied manny's moves, seen the right angles etc. and countered him brilliantly.in short he did it with brains and what is more impressive was he did it under pressure. rafa is not as smart as his brother. imo under pressure just like what happened to the izzy fight, and considering manny as more agressive, and in fact more powerful in the 122pnds than izzy, it's him who will get ktfo not manny! vd i thought you know your idols well? it seems it's your blind nuthuggery that keep stretching the facts huh?

rafa is indeed durable. if you studied his demeanor and compared it to jmm kd (pac-jmm 1)to rafa kd or tko by izzy, rafa looks more disoriented than jmm. his legs were wobbly, his face red, his eyes is not there, you're even lucky the referee stopped the fight or he could have suffered serious damage! jmm in that fight which was called a draw, stood up and iv'e seen his legs not wobbly unlike his brother. taeth was right rafa really have a suspect jaw1 it seems facing power punchers there is a good chance rafa will get ktfo!

plus all the tko loss of pac happened due to body shots. he did get kd before, but it's you who said that that was the past and pac is not the same fighter anymore. saying rafa will ko pac with his right hand is like saying he should be ranked higher than his brother p4p! you gotta be an illusionist!

well said.

btw, you can't expect an intelligent answer from VD all the time. When pac is involved, even if the opponent is Agapito Sanchez, he'd say Pac will get demolished. AS far as I can remember, he hasn't predicted correctly any pac fight.

lastly, I won't make a comment regarding hypothetical matches especially matches that won't happen(e.g. Pac vs RM) coz it's simply not practical. IMO.

Answers would usually be biased and sometimes debaters come to a point of even disrespecting fighters just to win an argument.

Had pac not won against Diaz, DLH and Hatton, can we be truly convinced that he will win against Rafa? Our judgements are usually tainted with a fighter's current performance and I've seen it happening here in Saddo countless times already.

Pac will have a hard time against Rafa for sure.

vd always talk about hypothetical matches because that's where he feels safe. like a little kid in some mother's bosom.

Bruce?

[LEGION]

well said.

btw, you can't expect an intelligent answer from VD all the time. When pac is involved, even if the opponent is Agapito Sanchez, he'd say Pac will get demolished. AS far as I can remember, he hasn't predicted correctly any pac fight.

lastly, I won't make a comment regarding hypothetical matches especially matches that won't happen(e.g. Pac vs RM) coz it's simply not practical. IMO.

Answers would usually be biased and sometimes debaters come to a point of even disrespecting fighters just to win an argument.

Had pac not won against Diaz, DLH and Hatton, can we be truly convinced that he will win against Rafa? Our judgements are usually tainted with a fighter's current performance and I've seen it happening here in Saddo countless times already.

Pac will have a hard time against Rafa for sure.

vd always talk about hypothetical matches because that's where he feels safe. like a little kid in some mother's bosom.

Bruce?

You know bro'; I almost posted the exact same thing earlier but said f#ck it.