quit in the ring

[ElTerribleMorales]

He was getting embarrassed and used a shit load of excuses like Leonard was clowning around, stomach aches, not being prepared, etc.

The Duran fight came into my mind first. Probably the most famous fight in boxing history where a so called Macho warrior just quits.

so called Macho warrior? are you trying to imply that just cause of this fight Duran of all people was not a warrior? if so, well buddy you got some studying to do. Leonard chose to do the smart thing in the rematch, which was box, and i applaude him for that, but who got the best of it when it was a war? oh yea Duran was the one to get his hand raised, and how many other wars did he go on to have, plenty

back to the main subject, Golota also quit against a stoned Mike Tyson, Freitas quit against Corrales, both fights in the middle of the round

This guy was known as Mr. Macho, that was the image and aura he gave off. His fans have defended for years why he quit. Stomach cramps, ballooning up in weight between fights, Leonard taunting, Leonard acting like a clown, Leonard cheating, etc.

He was outbox and outclass period. The first time during his days of dominance that he quits and turns around. And who gives a crap if it was a war and Leonard lost the first time? Boxing ain't just about brawls. Leonard didn't fight a smart fight the 1st time. What matters is that Leonard got the best of him the 2nd time around and make the so called macho warrior quit and have his fans come up with lame excuses.

Hell I take a Leonard anyday, now that's a warrior. See Hearns-Leonard fight where he's losing badly and needs a ko, if leonard was Duran he would of quit and hearns would have won. Not only that but he wouldn't have that retina injury and lost his prime years.

first fight has plenty of significance, a lightweight, the greatest lightweight ever, outmuscled and pounded away at a TRUE welterweight and won using sheer force, and Leonard was a warrior when he chose to, sorry but lost plenty of respect with Ray when he did his whole "a match between me and Marvin would be legendary, but it will never happen" and even when the fight did happen, all he did was fight for the last 30 seconds of each round, Hagler won that fight and then was given the shaft, Leonard without a shadow of a doubt is an ATG, but he's done plenty of un-warriorlike things, for example waiting so long to give Duran and Hearns a rematch, Hearns getting the shaft in the rematch in a fight that Leonard clearly lost, Duran took on the best just like Leonard did, difference is he was always there to fight, and Duran/Hearns (although brutally KO'd), Duran/Hagler (against a naturally bigger man), and Duran/Barkley all clearly show that

[generalbulldog]

so called Macho warrior? are you trying to imply that just cause of this fight Duran of all people was not a warrior? if so, well buddy you got some studying to do. Leonard chose to do the smart thing in the rematch, which was box, and i applaude him for that, but who got the best of it when it was a war? oh yea Duran was the one to get his hand raised, and how many other wars did he go on to have, plenty

back to the main subject, Golota also quit against a stoned Mike Tyson, Freitas quit against Corrales, both fights in the middle of the round

This guy was known as Mr. Macho, that was the image and aura he gave off. His fans have defended for years why he quit. Stomach cramps, ballooning up in weight between fights, Leonard taunting, Leonard acting like a clown, Leonard cheating, etc.

He was outbox and outclass period. The first time during his days of dominance that he quits and turns around. And who gives a crap if it was a war and Leonard lost the first time? Boxing ain't just about brawls. Leonard didn't fight a smart fight the 1st time. What matters is that Leonard got the best of him the 2nd time around and make the so called macho warrior quit and have his fans come up with lame excuses.

Hell I take a Leonard anyday, now that's a warrior. See Hearns-Leonard fight where he's losing badly and needs a ko, if leonard was Duran he would of quit and hearns would have won. Not only that but he wouldn't have that retina injury and lost his prime years.

first fight has plenty of significance, a lightweight, the greatest lightweight ever, outmuscled and pounded away at a TRUE welterweight and won using sheer force, and Leonard was a warrior when he chose to, sorry but lost plenty of respect with Ray when he did his whole "a match between me and Marvin would be legendary, but it will never happen" and even when the fight did happen, all he did was fight for the last 30 seconds of each round, Hagler won that fight and then was given the shaft, Leonard without a shadow of a doubt is an ATG, but he's done plenty of un-warriorlike things, for example waiting so long to give Duran and Hearns a rematch, Hearns getting the shaft in the rematch in a fight that Leonard clearly lost, Duran took on the best just like Leonard did, difference is he was always there to fight, and Duran/Hearns (although brutally KO'd), Duran/Hagler (against a naturally bigger man), and Duran/Barkley all clearly show that

You did know that Leonard was recovering from a detached retina right? You did know that he got messed up for fighting Hearns right? The Hagler fight couldn't happen for those reasons at that time. Leonard only fought 1 fight for 5 years before taking on Hagler. Everyone predicted he would get ko by what seems to be an invincible Hagler. The fight was really close and to this day it's still hotly debated who won. To say Leonard clearly lost isnt' showing any objectiveness. The only unwarrior like thing Leonard ever did was make Lalonde fight at a catchweight of 168 for his LHW title.

While your macho hero got outbox and outclass in that 2nd fight but yet he's the ultimate warrior right? And this was a big championship fight with people paying their hard earn money to see it on Pay Per View. What does the macho warrior do? He quits in a big championship match. And then Duran and his fans come up with lame excuses that Leonard cheated, Leonard acting like a clown, Duran was rushed into the fight, Duran had stomach cramps, I didn't say "No mas", excuses galore. Outbox and outclass and then quit.

In the eyes of the general public and casual sports fans "No mas" defined his career. The boxing fans might remember Duran fighting Hagler comfortably in that fight or him beating Moore or Barkley or being a great LW but in the eyes of the public and casual sports fans the name of Duran is associated with "No Mas" in the championship fight with Leonard.

To get back on track this thread is entitled, "Quit in the Ring". And that in my opinion is the biggest quit in a fight that was so huge and on Pay Per View.

[Douglas Hall]

You did know that Leonard was recovering from a detached retina right? You did know that he got messed up for fighting Hearns right? The Hagler fight couldn't happen for those reasons at that time. Leonard only fought 1 fight for 5 years before taking on Hagler. Everyone predicted he would get ko by what seems to be an invincible Hagler. The fight was really close and to this day it's still hotly debated who won. To say Leonard clearly lost isnt' showing any objectiveness.

I remember watching the fight. And if you give Leonard perspective, based on a retina problem, you also have to give Hagler perspective in that he was at the tail-end of his career.

The thing I always took from that fight, is that Leonard looked to be doing more work - plenty of punches and flurries, but they were largely just glancing or hitting Haglers gloves. It was all quick, flashy, but ineffectual stuff.

Hagler didn't fight with the workrate of Leonard, true enough, but his punches were solid, and largely well placed.

The people who claim Hagler waz robbed have a good, fair point IMO - I'll always remember that fight from watching it, and my opinion hasn't changed in the ~ 20 years since.

[CGM]

so called Macho warrior? are you trying to imply that just cause of this fight Duran of all people was not a warrior? if so, well buddy you got some studying to do. Leonard chose to do the smart thing in the rematch, which was box, and i applaude him for that, but who got the best of it when it was a war? oh yea Duran was the one to get his hand raised, and how many other wars did he go on to have, plenty

back to the main subject, Golota also quit against a stoned Mike Tyson, Freitas quit against Corrales, both fights in the middle of the round

This guy was known as Mr. Macho, that was the image and aura he gave off. His fans have defended for years why he quit. Stomach cramps, ballooning up in weight between fights, Leonard taunting, Leonard acting like a clown, Leonard cheating, etc.

He was outbox and outclass period. The first time during his days of dominance that he quits and turns around. And who gives a crap if it was a war and Leonard lost the first time? Boxing ain't just about brawls. Leonard didn't fight a smart fight the 1st time. What matters is that Leonard got the best of him the 2nd time around and make the so called macho warrior quit and have his fans come up with lame excuses.

Hell I take a Leonard anyday, now that's a warrior. See Hearns-Leonard fight where he's losing badly and needs a ko, if leonard was Duran he would of quit and hearns would have won. Not only that but he wouldn't have that retina injury and lost his prime years.

first fight has plenty of significance, a lightweight, the greatest lightweight ever, outmuscled and pounded away at a TRUE welterweight and won using sheer force, and Leonard was a warrior when he chose to, sorry but lost plenty of respect with Ray when he did his whole "a match between me and Marvin would be legendary, but it will never happen" and even when the fight did happen, all he did was fight for the last 30 seconds of each round, Hagler won that fight and then was given the shaft, Leonard without a shadow of a doubt is an ATG, but he's done plenty of un-warriorlike things, for example waiting so long to give Duran and Hearns a rematch, Hearns getting the shaft in the rematch in a fight that Leonard clearly lost, Duran took on the best just like Leonard did, difference is he was always there to fight, and Duran/Hearns (although brutally KO'd), Duran/Hagler (against a naturally bigger man), and Duran/Barkley all clearly show that

Actually in the two years before the first Leonard fight he fought seven times at welterweight, eight if you count Viruet at 141, so he had plenty of time to adapt.