Truth is stranger than fiction - The Sarah Palin Chronicles

[El Kabong]

....yes creating jobs, how's that working out for Ol' Barry?

Who? Let me guess, he must be a democrat. And my comment was not about jobs or republicans, it was about the disjointed and incoherent speeches of one person. Anyways, I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you want you can respond to my comments about one stupid person who happens to be a republican, by picking one democrat who happens to be stupid, but it don't make Palin any less of a moron.

Barack Obama....what is he doing about jobs Where's this "stimulus" he's bankrupted us for?!?!

And you're right about "it doesn't make Palin any less of a moron" but it makes all those Democrats the biggest hypocrits out there as they didn't vote for Palin but they DID vote for Joe Biden and Barack Obama DUMB and INEXPERIENCED.

[CGM]

....yes creating jobs, how's that working out for Ol' Barry?

Who? Let me guess, he must be a democrat. And my comment was not about jobs or republicans, it was about the disjointed and incoherent speeches of one person. Anyways, I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you want you can respond to my comments about one stupid person who happens to be a republican, by picking one democrat who happens to be stupid, but it don't make Palin any less of a moron.

Barack Obama....what is he doing about jobs Where's this "stimulus" he's bankrupted us for?!?!

And you're right about "it doesn't make Palin any less of a moron" but it makes all those Democrats the biggest hypocrits out there as they didn't vote for Palin but they DID vote for Joe Biden and Barack Obama DUMB and INEXPERIENCED.

I repeat, my original comment about jobs was a reference to Palin's comment in the Katie Couric interview, where she made such a comment that was totally out of context in what was a disjointed reply to a question from Couric. It has nothing to do with real job creation or lack therof.

I have made no comments about Biden, except that he has plenty of political experience. And my comments on Palin were based more on intellect and not experience.

Frankly I think intellect, vision, philosophy, and leadership qualities are as important in a leader as experience, and so do a lot of Americans apparently.

Anyways Lyle, it It sounds like we are going to have to agree to disagree on our comparisons of Obama and Palin.

[Kirkland Laing]

It was a good move for Alaska, that's what she retired from. We'll find out soon enough what her ambitions are. I kind of think she won't get too far. The "king makers" within the party surely have realized their mistake and won't make it again.

p.s. LOL Kirkland, yeah she's a knock off for Palin, isn't she? I particularly liked the part about "we've lasted for 6,000 years, so we must be doing something right"

She'll make a lot of money doing speeches and books and end up on Fox News. Then appearance by appearance they'll gradually mould her slightly differently and gradually educate her on the issues and how to deal with them, turn her into somebody who appears to have a grasp of the fundamentals and then she'll run in 2016. Or she'll be completely untrainable and she'll gradually fade away.

I was thinking that last night.Joining a network,namely Fox.I dont think that she is the sharpest knife in the drawer but is effective on camera in small doses and does ok when rehearsed with an audience.A talk show?

As far as a national stage and politics.I think she is finished.She let the marketing and packaging get in front of her substance and was force fed to the public.If the heat in Alaska was too much...she melts on a national stage again.I think she's a trivia question or a punchline now.

They'll definitely give her the opportunity though. One in three voters near enough will definitely vote for her. If they can graft a bit of substance, a bit of gravitas onto the you betcha she could change people's perceptions of her, win a few independents and centrist voters. They did the same thing with Nixon when he originally quit in the sixties and he managed to win. She's actually very similar to Nixon but without the smarts, they both use resentment as their main issue. And the guy who masterminded Nixon's return from obscurity currently runs Fox News.

[Kirkland Laing]

I wouldn't be so sure that the far left will follow in lock step. I made the same assumption about the far right and McCain and a lot of them simply stayed at home on election day b/c he didn't motivate them.

Ouma, Obama hasn't provided a viable solution to any of our major domestic issues. It is still early and he may get some things going but at the moment his policies are speculative or have funding issues. Whether he got a shitty draw or not on the economy is irrelevant. I don't know anyone who feels better about the economy. It is his problem now and if he can't provide a dramatic turn around he will be blamed for it.

I don't contest that the Republicans haven't provided a "sure thing" but I think the last election proved that it can easily be the guy you've never heard of. First and foremost the party needs to show the country it is back to its conservative ideals, mainly small government and less spending. The party needs to seperate it self from the way the Bush admin completely veered from traditional conservative policy. If it can do this and the current administration doesn't start providing real viable solutions then I don't think it will need a rock star to defeat Obama.

Every GOP leader veers from traditional conservative policy. Any GOP candidate standing on a traditional conservative platform would be completely unelectable.

You base this on what?

Here are the main points of a traditional conservative election platform, a recent Texas GOP party platform :




You've got your culture war stuff and your small government stuff right there. The culture war stuff, treating gays like child molesters, criminalising gay sex, ending all abortion is going to turn half the country off. But the small government stuff is the real problem. No GOP politician runs on a platform of ending Medicare, Social Security, the Department of Education etc. There's just no way they can get elected like that. They nod to the culture war stuff, bash gay marriage or whatever is getting their base upset at that time, but they never ever take a stand against the big government programmes because they're popular with voters so they all run supporting those programmes.

[CGM]

They'll definitely give her the opportunity though. One in three voters near enough will definitely vote for her. If they can graft a bit of substance, a bit of gravitas onto the you betcha she could change people's perceptions of her, win a few independents and centrist voters. They did the same thing with Nixon when he originally quit in the sixties and he managed to win. She's actually very similar to Nixon but without the smarts, they both use resentment as their main issue. And the guy who masterminded Nixon's return from obscurity currently runs Fox News.

meh, irrelevant. One in three voters would vote for anybody over a Democrat, another one in three would vote for anybody over a Republican. But the middle one in three would never vote for her. So I have to agree with Spicoli. They won't give her another chance at VP, let alone president.

[Kirkland Laing]

They'll definitely give her the opportunity though. One in three voters near enough will definitely vote for her. If they can graft a bit of substance, a bit of gravitas onto the you betcha she could change people's perceptions of her, win a few independents and centrist voters. They did the same thing with Nixon when he originally quit in the sixties and he managed to win. She's actually very similar to Nixon but without the smarts, they both use resentment as their main issue. And the guy who masterminded Nixon's return from obscurity currently runs Fox News.

meh, irrelevant. One in three voters would vote for anybody over a Democrat, another one in three would vote for anybody over a Republican. But the middle one in three would never vote for her. So I have to agree with Spicoli. They won't give her another chance at VP, let alone president.

One in three voters would run through a brick wall for her. The people who win elections are the volunteers, the people who do phone banking, door-to-door canvassing, driving old/incapacitated people to the polling stations on election day. The GOP depends on getting social conservatives to do these jobs for them. the GOP is a very right wing party dedicated to serve the interests of corporations and plutocrats (although the Democrats are fairly indistinguishable these days) and its policies historically are worse for the majority of people than those of the Democrats, the average American doing much better financially under Democratic presidents than Republicans. For the GOP to get enough people to vote against their economic interests to win elections they need to appeal to certain cultural groups, especially social conservatives and Christians. Somebody like John McCain isn't acceptable to the conservative base, the people who volunteer and phone bank for the GOP at elections, who potentially can turn out in enormous numbers but don't because they never get what they're promised. They see Sarah Palin as one of them and guarantee her a fanatical truly formidable election machine should she run. If the GOP chiefs can graft a bit of substance onto her, change peoples' perceptions of her, they make her an almost unbeatable opponent for any Democrat. They can easily do that by 2016 if she's capable of slowly changing. They'll definitely give her every opportunity.

[CGM]

Well, I guess we'll see then. I don't mind if she runs, it'll be entertaining, but there's no way in hell she'll win. Gawd, I hope not.

[Kirkland Laing]

Well, I guess we'll see then. I don't mind if she runs, it'll be entertaining, but there's no way in hell she'll win. Gawd, I hope not.

It's the energy she'd create among the base. People tell pollsters they'll vote for such and such but the question is can they be arsed to spend hours of their life actually voting on election day. Potential GOP voters look at somebody like Mccain and think he'll cave in to the liberals on abortion, religious issues, gay rights etc. just like every other Republican I voted for did. But Palin is one of them, the first one of them that's had even a sniff of the White House. Harnessing the energy among liberals created by eight years of Bush gave Obama a huge election machine and put him in the White House. If Obama wins in 2012 imagine the energy in the GOP base waiting to be harnessed in 2016, a more refined version of Palin would be a shoo in.

[VictorCharlie]

Kirk I think this one might be some what more legit

http://www.gop.com/2008Platform/

I have relegated myself that outside of strict libertarians no one is going to drastically reduce the size of federal gov't. I'll take the guy that at least wants a not as big government. The scary part is that with President Obama and a democratically controlled congress/senate on course for some unprecedented federal growth; there is no going back. It almost never gets smaller. Strangely enough, and I can't source this, I am pretty sure I've read the last time our Federal Gov't actually got smaller was under Clinton.

[Kirkland Laing]

That was the 2000 Texas GOP platform. When it started getting unwelcome media attention via the new-fangled internet they changed it to a much more palatable version, something that wouldn't make headlines, but you can guarantee that's what they really want and was publicly till 2000ish.

The problem is people want the government to manage certain things like health and education. They just want it done much more efficiently and here both parties and the current system fail miserably.

[OumaFan]

I'm really not scared of Palin, they can find somebody that appeals to the base that freaks people out a little less. Bobby Jindal appeals to the base and....yeah ok bad example.

A candidate that would be scary is somebody that the base believes is one of them but yet is still able to project an image that doesn't scare off independents, centrists, etc. An image of sanity, stability, maybe some intelligence. I guess you might say that they could try to turn Palin into that but I don't see it.

[VictorCharlie]

I definitely don't want the government (federal that is) in education or healthcare.

[Spicoli]

She'll make a lot of money doing speeches and books and end up on Fox News. Then appearance by appearance they'll gradually mould her slightly differently and gradually educate her on the issues and how to deal with them, turn her into somebody who appears to have a grasp of the fundamentals and then she'll run in 2016. Or she'll be completely untrainable and she'll gradually fade away.

I was thinking that last night.Joining a network,namely Fox.I dont think that she is the sharpest knife in the drawer but is effective on camera in small doses and does ok when rehearsed with an audience.A talk show?

As far as a national stage and politics.I think she is finished.She let the marketing and packaging get in front of her substance and was force fed to the public.If the heat in Alaska was too much...she melts on a national stage again.I think she's a trivia question or a punchline now.

They'll definitely give her the opportunity though. One in three voters near enough will definitely vote for her. If they can graft a bit of substance, a bit of gravitas onto the you betcha she could change people's perceptions of her, win a few independents and centrist voters. They did the same thing with Nixon when he originally quit in the sixties and he managed to win. She's actually very similar to Nixon but without the smarts, they both use resentment as their main issue. And the guy who masterminded Nixon's return from obscurity currently runs Fox News.

Ive said it before and its come back to smack me in the face but I really think we as voters will do better than the ever present reality shows we have seen labeled as campaigns.We must....we are too easily led around by the leash and stand high on labels and hardened party lines.Ive voted on either side and down the middle but off the top I dont think she could hold a candle to Nixon.....closest relation may have been their 'wtf' moments on camera but prior to that he had 7,8 years of VP under him.Shes minor league.

Someone seriously needs to take the shovel out of her hands...at the rate she is going I'm betting she finds oil.I have nothing against her and am not promoting either party,but should the republicans go this route again...I honestly think that they will continue to sit on the sidelines come the next election.......side note bud.Those huge articles are a b!!!ch.Have to scroll the entire page

[El Kabong]

Yes, thank you Kirkland for making this thread unbareable to post in.

Also your xenophobia towards anyone with a political view right of Karl Marx is really annoying...ok, we get it you don't like Capitalism, so I'll be a good sport about it, you will give Saddo half of your total wealth and he will in turn distribute that out to the rest of the posters here. I'll get to work on setting up a bread line for you too, you're going to need it.

[Gandalf]

....yes creating jobs, how's that working out for Ol' Barry?

Who? Let me guess, he must be a democrat. And my comment was not about jobs or republicans, it was about the disjointed and incoherent speeches of one person. Anyways, I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you want you can respond to my comments about one stupid person who happens to be a republican, by picking one democrat who happens to be stupid, but it don't make Palin any less of a moron.

Barack Obama....what is he doing about jobs Where's this "stimulus" he's bankrupted us for?!?!

And you're right about "it doesn't make Palin any less of a moron" but it makes all those Democrats the biggest hypocrits out there as they didn't vote for Palin but they DID vote for Joe Biden and Barack Obama DUMB and INEXPERIENCED.

Obama bankrupted who exactly? The US is suffering because of years of mismanagement that took place under the Bush administration and for allowing Wall street and the banking sector to run amok without enough regulation. And you are raving on about Obama providing jobs? Give it some time, he's hardly been President a minute.

Obama is lucid, intelligent and done a fair job thus far. He commands respect and seems to do so internationally too which is needed for America after the mockery and shame Bush brought upon the US. Under Obama you feel that there is stability and something to respect. It might just be fancy rhetoric, but there have been some positive steps.

You keep ranting on about experience. But seriously, what experience does one need in politics? Better to have inexperience plus intelligence IMO than experience plus ignorance. Better to have someone relatively youthful and in touch with public perceptions than idiots like Bush or old men about to pop their clogs like McCain.

And Palin is clearly an idiot. It amazes me that anybody can even question that. But then again little surprises me with certain sectors of the US population anymore!