Is Manny Pacquiao Bad For Boxing?

[GAME]

By that logic Torrencampo has Pacs number. I dont agree with that but there you go.

Sorry GAME but you've got me confused here bud. Manny Pacquiao beat MAB when he was P4P number 3 and coming off his best performances.

So how does Manny Pacquiao only being 17 years old. Only having his 12 pro fight. And being raw/wild and not being anywhere near his peak, equal Rustico Torrencampo having Manny Pacquiao's number ?

Or being comparable to MAB vs Manny Pacquiao. do you seriously believe if they fought now that Rustico Torrencampo would stand a chance ? because he beat an 17 year old version of Manny Pacquiao ?

Are you serioulsy suggesting that If that Manny who got beat by those guys, faced a prime Barrera, he would stand a chance?

I duno why you keep brininging up Barreras ranking back in 2003 cuz he clearly hadnt trained a day for that fight and it was the worst he has ever been entering into any fight. How else do you explain years later when a washed up Barrera coming off a loss took on the new and improved Manny and Pac couldnt land a glove on him. Barrera boxed at his own pace and did want he wanted. Pac couldnt figure him out but won on workrate against a guy who had been boxing since 1989 so he is bound to be showing signs of wear and tear yet manny couldnt even floor him

All im saying is Manny got Marco at the right time and so did the other fighters Ive listed. Doesnt make em better and doesnt mean they have the other guys number . They just won that night but on another night it would have been different.

[ICB]

By that logic Torrencampo has Pacs number. I dont agree with that but there you go.

Sorry GAME but you've got me confused here bud. Manny Pacquiao beat MAB when he was P4P number 3 and coming off his best performances.

So how does Manny Pacquiao only being 17 years old. Only having his 12 pro fight. And being raw/wild and not being anywhere near his peak, equal Rustico Torrencampo having Manny Pacquiao's number ?

Or being comparable to MAB vs Manny Pacquiao. do you seriously believe if they fought now that Rustico Torrencampo would stand a chance ? because he beat an 17 year old version of Manny Pacquiao ?

Are you serioulsy suggesting that If that Manny would got beat by those guys faced a prime Barrera he would stand a chance

I duno why you keep brininging up Barreras ranking back in 2003 cuz he clearly hadnt trained a day for that fight and it was the worst he has ever been entering into any fight. How else do you explain years later when a washed up Barrera coming off a loss took on the new and improved Manny and Pac couldnt land a glove on him. Barrera boxed at his own pace and did want he wanted. Pac couldnt figure him out but won on workrate against a guy who had been boxing since 1989 so he is bound to be showing signs of wear and tear yet manny couldnt even floor him

All im saying is Manny got Marco at the right time and so did the other fighters Ive listed. Doesnt make em better and doesnt mean they have the other guys number . They just won that night but on another night it would have been different.

GAME your making too much of these early losses, Manny Pacquiao was 17 years old for crying out loud. He was only a boy, and the other was when he was weight drained and he was still only 20 years old. And despite Manny Pacquiao being seriously weight drained, and nowhere near his peak. The KO itself was controversial, i thought it was a low blow myself but whatever.

Do you know how many great fighters have had early losses in there career's ? Alexis Arguello, Dick Tiger, Henry Armstrong, ETC. I really don't see how its irrelvant to Manny Pacquiao or these fighters, because the fighters that beat them then would of been battered from pillar to post, if they fought them later in there career.

Im bringing up MAB's ranking because he was considered at his peak then, based on coming off his best performance and thats really the end of it. Yes entering the Manny Pacquiao fight, he wasn't at his peak. Because he did have problems, i never said he didn't.

But he did get beaten one sidedly, and again based on how one sided it was. I don't really think it would of mattered had a 100 percent MAB been in there.

The reason MAB done better in the 2nd fight, was because he fought overly cautious. Not taking hardly any risks, which isn't his style. He couldnt fight on the inside because he was getting out speeded and beat to the punch each time.

And any fighter would look bad against a very experiened legend, who is just on the defensive most of the time. Points wise it was still pretty one sided, and it was actually sad to see that fight. As a MAB fan because that just isn't his style, and when he boxed he would be a mixture of a boxer/puncher.

[GAME]

Sorry GAME but you've got me confused here bud. Manny Pacquiao beat MAB when he was P4P number 3 and coming off his best performances.

So how does Manny Pacquiao only being 17 years old. Only having his 12 pro fight. And being raw/wild and not being anywhere near his peak, equal Rustico Torrencampo having Manny Pacquiao's number ?

Or being comparable to MAB vs Manny Pacquiao. do you seriously believe if they fought now that Rustico Torrencampo would stand a chance ? because he beat an 17 year old version of Manny Pacquiao ?

Are you serioulsy suggesting that If that Manny would got beat by those guys faced a prime Barrera he would stand a chance

I duno why you keep brininging up Barreras ranking back in 2003 cuz he clearly hadnt trained a day for that fight and it was the worst he has ever been entering into any fight. How else do you explain years later when a washed up Barrera coming off a loss took on the new and improved Manny and Pac couldnt land a glove on him. Barrera boxed at his own pace and did want he wanted. Pac couldnt figure him out but won on workrate against a guy who had been boxing since 1989 so he is bound to be showing signs of wear and tear yet manny couldnt even floor him

All im saying is Manny got Marco at the right time and so did the other fighters Ive listed. Doesnt make em better and doesnt mean they have the other guys number . They just won that night but on another night it would have been different.

GAME your making too much of these early losses, Manny Pacquiao was 17 years old for crying out loud. He was only a boy, and the other was when he was weight drained and he was still only 20 years old. And despite Manny Pacquiao being seriously weight drained, and nowhere near his peak. The KO itself was controversial, i thought it was a low blow myself but whatever.

Do you know how many great fighters have had early losses in there career's ? Alexis Arguello, Dick Tiger, Henry Armstrong, ETC. I really don't see how its irrelvant to Manny Pacquiao or these fighters, because the fighters that beat them then would of been battered from pillar to post, if they fought them later in there career.

Im bringing up MAB's ranking because he was considered at his peak then, based on coming off his best performance and thats really the end of it. Yes entering the Manny Pacquiao fight, he wasn't at his peak. Because he did have problems, i never said he didn't.

But he did get beaten one sidedly, and again based on how one sided it was. I don't really think it would of mattered had a 100 percent MAB been in there.

The reason MAB done better in the 2nd fight, was because he fought overly cautious. Not taking hardly any risks, which isn't his style. He couldnt fight on the inside because he was getting out speeded each time.

And any fighter would look bad against a very experiened legend, who is just on the defensive most of the time. Points wise it was still pretty one sided, and it was actually sad to see that fight. As a MAB fan because that just isn't his style, and when he boxed he would be a mixture of a boxer/puncher.

Which is my point that its a bout stages of career and Manny may have lost early in his career but it doesnt mean those guys have his number. I wouldnt say Oscar has Chavez' number either

We are gonna have to agree to disagree on this one ice or we will just keep on going round in cirlces repeating the same points.

Ive heard what you say and I disagree. I say that any fighter can be beaten at any stage of their career but on a different night they may have beaten the same guy. Barrera and Pac can both say this about their losses.

[The Congressman]

GAMEboy is digging deeper and deeper grave for himself with his poor logic. 'So sad.

[GAME]

GAMEboy is digging deeper and deeper grave for himself with his poor logic. 'So sad.

Ironic that you use a word that is so often used to describe Pacfans