Previously...on LOST!

[OumaFan]

Ok I guess one of the skips in time just took him to the future at the time that Locke and Sun and Ben were there with Alpert.

John is awesome but he's got such a smug look on his face all the time this year OOOHHHH the island talks to me.

[bcollins]

You'll love the finale. Or hate it. Or both. One of those...

[OumaFan]

I have obviously tons of questions but one little (or maybe not little) thing that has bothered me for a long time is why Richard Alpert, who's immortal (?), maybe even a crew member of the Black Rock (?) and who seems so important is always seemingly the second in command, why he is always just an advisor to a leader, whether it be Whidmore (who may be a descendant of the original others) or even a guy that wasn't an original other or a descendant in Ben.

Now at times he almost seems like the real leader just acting like he's second in command (when he says he doesn't answer to Ellie or Whidmore when he takes Ben to be cured) but still that doesn't really answer the question of why he's not the leader overall.

And I will not be happy with "that's the way the Island wants it" as an answer. Its probably the answer.

Anyway I'm saving the two part final for tonight. Sucks that Daniel died, oh well. Richard saw "all of the 1977 Losties die?"

Edit-now that I think about it I guess he was the leader in 1954 when Locke came to the camp.

[OumaFan]

I didn't like the finale Well, compared to my expectations.

So that guy from the beginning of the episode who was talking to Jacob about how bad he wanted to kill him somehow became Locke? Who was that guy? Why did he want to kill him? We've got to find out at some point.

Talk about your ultimate cliff hanger though. What did Juliet setting off the bomb cause? Does it cause them to skip back to the future somehow? What happened to Sayid, I would assume he dies but god knows with Lost, of course Juliet would have been gonzo from that fall.

Still so much we don't know for a show with one season left.

[OumaFan]

OH shit. I just thought of this.

Was that the smoke monster? Was the guy in the beginning and the smoke monster somehow the same thing? It can shape shift, as it did into Alex. Who told Ben to do whatever Locke told him too, i.e. kill Jacob. So it shape shifts into Locke who tells Ben to kill Jacob.

But. Why did it have to wait for John to do that?

Why could Ben kill Jacob and not say, that first guy at the beginning?

Of course that theory could be incredibly wrong, haha.

One of my major problems with the finale was the Jacob thing seemed forced. We wait five seasons, we find out who Jacob is, he goes around doing crazy shit and then he's dead.

I'm lost, no pun intended. Where do they go from here?

LOL now the time travel part seems simple.

[OumaFan]

And haha when did Jack become such a bad ass? They shoot Sayid and he pulls the "completely tactically wrong will kill you all the time but still bad ass move" of walking forward and shooting at everything.

Oh well sucks that Juliet's gone. I liked her. LOL at her surviving the fall.

Oh fuck I just finished it ten minutes ago, have far too many various things running through my head to make any sense.

[OumaFan]

Ok I just saw something on a message board which is kind of interesting. Wasn't fleshed out but said something about the guy who originally wanted to kill Jacob took over Christian Shephard's body, for some reason he can shift into dead people, Christian, Alex, Locke. So was thinking will if he can change into dead people why couldn't he as say Christian get somebody to kill Jacob? But Christian was never a leader of the others.

He had to shift into somebody who was a leader of the others cause that's the only way to get access to John and before this its possible that he never got a chance to shift into a leader of the others.

Because, just speculating, maybe Alpert came on the Black Rock, was given immortality by Jacob and made the first leader of the others. He's leader for a while (he was in 1954, I think) but for some reason he's replaced and just made an advisor, then Whidmore/Ellie take over but neither of them die on the island. Then Ben is made leader of the island but he doesn't die on there either. Then Locke is made leader and his corpse does end up on the island, and original guy/smoke monster takes over his corpse.

So there he has his chance, he can get access to Jacob now. But I guess maybe he still can't kill Jacob, whether he's the smoke monster or the inhabitant of a dead person. But he takes over Alex's body and tells Ben to follow Locke and hence Locke takes him with him into Jacob's room. Although granted Ben killing him didn't just have to do with Locke killing him, partly resentment.

Haha, that is probably wildly inaccurate. Still I'm fairly happy with myself for ALMOST coming up with it completely on my own.

Edit-after reading a few boards I am not even nearly the first person to come up with this, hahaha. Well so far I haven't seen anybody talk about the importance of him taking over the body of a leader of the others.

[RP33]

LOL now the time travel part seems simple.

Told you, hahah.. that was why i said just wait.

[OumaFan]

I loved the season though and the more I think about it the more I liked the finale but I don't know, I still would have rather had some things changed but oh well.

I can only go into the message boards so much. For one thing every fucking topic is like 59 pages so I read the first page and forget it. I just don't have the patience or the time.

Yeah I agree that he had to get somebody else to kill him hence Ben doing it and getting Alex to talk to Ben. And he had to be able to transform into a leader of the others to get access to Jacob. I don't know why he had access to him back when the ship was first showing up. He seemed like a real person back then although you can never tell.