"Boxing is like jazz. The better it is, the less people appreciate it."
George Foreman
I think he could've beaten SRR. I just don't think he would've & those are 2 very different things. SRR was unbelievable at MW, & I remember this guy Mick who runs my gym saying that SRR at MW was 25% of what he was at WW.
The fact that Pep & SRR, in some people's eyes the 2 best of all time, had to fight on so long was a true shame. I don't consider either man great in their 40s, the only fighters I think get that are
Archie Moore
Bernard Hopkins
George Foreman
I don't think you can give it to guys who were great still being able to beat weaker opposition like Holyfield, Holmes, SRR. Don't know enough about Fitzsimmons to judge
There was IMO only one great fighter at the age of 40+ and his name was Moore, Archie Moore.
Hopkins has shown himself a clear second.
Foreman is vying for third place, and personally I agree with you, he is.
But Robinson is floating around Foreman as he did beat a couple of contenders aged 40+, hell Holmes is up their purely on the strength of the Mercer win and McCall performance and Fitzy for beating Gardner and by Newspaper decision, O'Brien. But all this shows, is that outside Moore and to a point Hopkins, how weak a full top ten list is.....
Last edited by Britkid; 07-15-2009 at 08:44 PM.
"Boxing is like jazz. The better it is, the less people appreciate it."
George Foreman
Hidden Content IN CASE THEY ALL FORGOT WHAT REAL HEAVYWEIGHT POWER WAS!!!
Shane Mosely is getting close to this club imo and Antonio Tarver deserves a mention along with Glen Johnson of course, both winning titles at 40 I believe.
I'm not that clued up on Archie Moore so I may be wrong here but isn't a lot of the reason he's considered so far ahead of everyone else in some part down to nostalgia?
I mean against the elite he got knocked out, Ali, Patterson, Marciano all ko'd him whilst Hopkins has not only been highly competitive with the current elite at plus 40 years of age but he's beaten and completely schooled some of them.
In an absolute sense you'd have to think that a 44 year old B Hop would have too much for a 44 year old Archie.
It should also be noted of course that Archie was able to do what is apparently impossible and that is come down in weight sometimes dropping 20 or 30 lbs and winning against top opposition like Yvonne Durell, another catchweight fight I do believe![]()
Hidden Content IN CASE THEY ALL FORGOT WHAT REAL HEAVYWEIGHT POWER WAS!!!
Against Durelle; Moore had to boil down to 175 and yet despite being floored four times (three times in the first) still managed as a 40+ title holder, to defend his crown, winning a rematch in three one sided rounds.
For what it was worth; no one could ever beat Moore at 175 from 1956 when Moore turned 40 officially (some believe it was as early as 1951, that Moore turned 40), until Moore retired as undefeated Light Heavyweight World Champion.
"Boxing is like jazz. The better it is, the less people appreciate it."
George Foreman
Duran was how old when he beat Barkley?![]()
Current? maybe "Hands of Stone" or "Macho Camacho" could still step into the ring with the "Hitman".....
Bernard Hopkins IMO is by far the best over 40 fighter.
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