Greatest Fighters over 40 years old...

[Britkid]

After having 200 bouts and still being able to get in the ring and fight past 40 shows something

Sadly for Willie it showed he had blown his fortune, and needed the money....

Agreed after all those bouts he should have been living well....

Can you imagine fighters today with that many bouts....Top level fighters

Too right; some (naive) people say, today, a Lil Floyd could of beaten a Ray Robinson....

But as you suggest, let us level the playing field, and ask who sees a Floyd Mayweather Jr beating Ray Robinson, after Mayweather has 201 pro fights in his legs ala Sugar Ray?

[JazMerkin]

Sadly for Willie it showed he had blown his fortune, and needed the money....

Agreed after all those bouts he should have been living well....

Can you imagine fighters today with that many bouts....Top level fighters

Too right; some (naive) people say, today, a Lil Floyd could of beaten a Ray Robinson....

But as you suggest, let us level the playing field, and ask who sees a Floyd Mayweather Jr beating Ray Robinson, after Mayweather has 201 pro fights in his legs ala Sugar Ray?

I think he could've beaten SRR. I just don't think he would've & those are 2 very different things. SRR was unbelievable at MW, & I remember this guy Mick who runs my gym saying that SRR at MW was 25% of what he was at WW.

The fact that Pep & SRR, in some people's eyes the 2 best of all time, had to fight on so long was a true shame. I don't consider either man great in their 40s, the only fighters I think get that are

Archie Moore
Bernard Hopkins
George Foreman

I don't think you can give it to guys who were great still being able to beat weaker opposition like Holyfield, Holmes, SRR. Don't know enough about Fitzsimmons to judge

[Britkid]

The fact that Pep & SRR, in some people's eyes the 2 best of all time, had to fight on so long was a true shame. I don't consider either man great in their 40s, the only fighters I think get that are

Archie Moore
Bernard Hopkins
George Foreman

I don't think you can give it to guys who were great still being able to beat weaker opposition like Holyfield, Holmes, SRR. Don't know enough about Fitzsimmons to judge

There was IMO only one great fighter at the age of 40+ and his name was Moore, Archie Moore.

Hopkins has shown himself a clear second.

Foreman is vying for third place, and personally I agree with you, he is.

But Robinson is floating around Foreman as he did beat a couple of contenders aged 40+, hell Holmes is up their purely on the strength of the Mercer win and McCall performance and Fitzy for beating Gardner and by Newspaper decision, O'Brien. But all this shows, is that outside Moore and to a point Hopkins, how weak a full top ten list is.....

[DaxxKahn]

The fact that Pep & SRR, in some people's eyes the 2 best of all time, had to fight on so long was a true shame. I don't consider either man great in their 40s, the only fighters I think get that are

Archie Moore
Bernard Hopkins
George Foreman

I don't think you can give it to guys who were great still being able to beat weaker opposition like Holyfield, Holmes, SRR. Don't know enough about Fitzsimmons to judge

There was IMO only one great fighter at the age of 40+ and his name was Moore, Archie Moore.

Hopkins has shown himself a clear second.

Foreman is vying for third place, and personally I agree with you, he is.

But Robinson is floating around Foreman as he did beat a couple of contenders aged 40+, hell Holmes is up their purely on the strength of the Mercer win and McCall performance and Fitzy for beating Gardner and by Newspaper decision, O'Brien. But all this shows, is that outside Moore and to a point Hopkins, how weak a full top ten list is.....

I pretty much go with the three mentioned

Moore
Hopkins
Foreman

as legit fighters who were/are dangerous past 40 for anyone. The rest get credit for being competitive with younger fighters no for their net worth as fighters

[Kev]

Shane Mosely is getting close to this club imo and Antonio Tarver deserves a mention along with Glen Johnson of course, both winning titles at 40 I believe.

I'm not that clued up on Archie Moore so I may be wrong here but isn't a lot of the reason he's considered so far ahead of everyone else in some part down to nostalgia?

I mean against the elite he got knocked out, Ali, Patterson, Marciano all ko'd him whilst Hopkins has not only been highly competitive with the current elite at plus 40 years of age but he's beaten and completely schooled some of them.

In an absolute sense you'd have to think that a 44 year old B Hop would have too much for a 44 year old Archie.

It should also be noted of course that Archie was able to do what is apparently impossible and that is come down in weight sometimes dropping 20 or 30 lbs and winning against top opposition like Yvonne Durell, another catchweight fight I do believe

[DaxxKahn]

Shane Mosely is getting close to this club imo and Antonio Tarver deserves a mention along with Glen Johnson of course, both winning titles at 40 I believe.

I'm not that clued up on Archie Moore so I may be wrong here but isn't a lot of the reason he's considered so far ahead of everyone else in some part down to nostalgia?

I mean against the elite he got knocked out, Ali, Patterson, Marciano all ko'd him whilst Hopkins has not only been highly competitive with the current elite at plus 40 years of age but he's beaten and completely schooled some of them.

In an absolute sense you'd have to think that a 44 year old B Hop would have too much for a 44 year old Archie.

It should also be noted of course that Archie was able to do what is apparently impossible and that is come down in weight sometimes dropping 20 or 30 lbs and winning against top opposition like Yvonne Durell, another catchweight fight I do believe

Johnson is a good choice forgot all about him...He was only 35 when he was champ though

[Britkid]

Shane Mosely is getting close to this club imo and Antonio Tarver deserves a mention along with Glen Johnson of course, both winning titles at 40 I believe.

I'm not that clued up on Archie Moore so I may be wrong here but isn't a lot of the reason he's considered so far ahead of everyone else in some part down to nostalgia?

I mean against the elite he got knocked out, Ali, Patterson, Marciano all ko'd him whilst Hopkins has not only been highly competitive with the current elite at plus 40 years of age but he's beaten and completely schooled some of them.

In an absolute sense you'd have to think that a 44 year old B Hop would have too much for a 44 year old Archie.

It should also be noted of course that Archie was able to do what is apparently impossible and that is come down in weight sometimes dropping 20 or 30 lbs and winning against top opposition like Yvonne Durell, another catchweight fight I do believe

Against Durelle; Moore had to boil down to 175 and yet despite being floored four times (three times in the first) still managed as a 40+ title holder, to defend his crown, winning a rematch in three one sided rounds.

For what it was worth; no one could ever beat Moore at 175 from 1956 when Moore turned 40 officially (some believe it was as early as 1951, that Moore turned 40), until Moore retired as undefeated Light Heavyweight World Champion.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Duran was how old when he beat Barkley?

[Jody Lane]

Shane Mosely is getting close to this club imo and Antonio Tarver deserves a mention along with Glen Johnson of course, both winning titles at 40 I believe.

I'm not that clued up on Archie Moore so I may be wrong here but isn't a lot of the reason he's considered so far ahead of everyone else in some part down to nostalgia?

I mean against the elite he got knocked out, Ali, Patterson, Marciano all ko'd him whilst Hopkins has not only been highly competitive with the current elite at plus 40 years of age but he's beaten and completely schooled some of them.

In an absolute sense you'd have to think that a 44 year old B Hop would have too much for a 44 year old Archie.

It should also be noted of course that Archie was able to do what is apparently impossible and that is come down in weight sometimes dropping 20 or 30 lbs and winning against top opposition like Yvonne Durell, another catchweight fight I do believe

Not nostalgia. The fact that Moore was 45 or 48 when he gave up the title says a shit load as to his ability.

[fan johnny]

Current? maybe "Hands of Stone" or "Macho Camacho" could still step into the ring with the "Hitman".....

[Taeth]

Bernard Hopkins IMO is by far the best over 40 fighter.