Mayweather: "If Manny wants it, I'll pay Juan to step aside"

[knodaledge]

The second argument Mayweather makes is if

“A fighter, just like anyone else, has a certain market value they establish over time,” Schaefer said. “Mayweather, in his last two fights did 3.5 million buys with Hatton and Oscar. Pacquiao has fought the same two guys and it did a little more than half of that.

Schaefer makes a great point.

Yeah but to be fair. Oscar and Hatton have HUGE followings. I'm pretty sure both Audiences in attendance were Pro Opposition.

In terms of PPV buys it's obviously harder to determine who the buyers were following but no doubt Oscar Dela Hoya and Ricky Hatton brought a shit load to the table in terms of Buying power.... The fact that Floyds most recent fight aint selling so well further supports my point.

But Oscar/Hatton had the same HUGE followings when they fought Pacquiao. Why did they only do half the sales then?

We can only take from these numbers that, to the public, fights between Oscar/Mayweather & Hatton/Mayweather were more intriguing than Oscar/Pac & Hatton/Pac matches.

Also, were the reports of the fight not selling true? I remember hearing rumors but no evidence was presented. I read a report from a Golden Boy rep that said the rumors were false. Are they still rumor or were they proven fact?

[Dr. Steelhammer]

Floyd not selling tickets is a big evidence that he's no longer a draw, period.

[generalbulldog]

The second argument Mayweather makes is if

“A fighter, just like anyone else, has a certain market value they establish over time,” Schaefer said. “Mayweather, in his last two fights did 3.5 million buys with Hatton and Oscar. Pacquiao has fought the same two guys and it did a little more than half of that.

Schaefer makes a great point.

Yeah but to be fair. Oscar and Hatton have HUGE followings. I'm pretty sure both Audiences in attendance were Pro Opposition.

In terms of PPV buys it's obviously harder to determine who the buyers were following but no doubt Oscar Dela Hoya and Ricky Hatton brought a shit load to the table in terms of Buying power.... The fact that Floyds most recent fight aint selling so well further supports my point.

But Oscar/Hatton had the same HUGE followings when they fought Pacquiao. Why did they only do half the sales then?

We can only take from these numbers that, to the public, fights between Oscar/Mayweather & Hatton/Mayweather were more intriguing than Oscar/Pac & Hatton/Pac matches.

Also, were the reports of the fight not selling true? I remember hearing rumors but no evidence was presented. I read a report from a Golden Boy rep that said the rumors were false. Are they still rumor or were they proven fact?

Like I've said real fight fans just wanna see a good fight, most don't care who gets the lions share but the diehard fanboys of either fighters.

I don't give a shit if Pacman gets 40% of the purse or Floyd gets 60% of it and vice versa, I just want to see a good fight.

Are you working for Floyd?

[Truth]

There are reasons why Floyd's fights with De La Hoya and Hatton made more than Pacquiao's:

A) De La Hoya fighting for thye P4P Title at his preferred weight
B) The hype surrounding an UNBEATEN Ricky Hatton
C) Much better economic times
D) Both Pacquiao fights were seen as mismatches and on one was sure how a former flyweight champ could perform against a top welterweight

The thing Floyd and his biased followers don't realize is that NONE of these have ANY correlation to who is the biggest draw in boxing today which is obviously Manny Pacquiao.

[OumaFan]

I don't know if its obvious if one guy is bigger than the other, their the two biggest draws but just saying Floyd did more buys is ignoring some obvious factors influencing that which Truth mentioned.

Except for both Pacquaio fights being mismatches. Yes with ODLH but not Hatton. Unless you mean the Hatton fight was thought of as a mismatch in Manny's favor? I don't think it was thought of as a mismatch either way, a lot of people were going with Hatton.

[knodaledge]

Yeah but to be fair. Oscar and Hatton have HUGE followings. I'm pretty sure both Audiences in attendance were Pro Opposition.

In terms of PPV buys it's obviously harder to determine who the buyers were following but no doubt Oscar Dela Hoya and Ricky Hatton brought a shit load to the table in terms of Buying power.... The fact that Floyds most recent fight aint selling so well further supports my point.

But Oscar/Hatton had the same HUGE followings when they fought Pacquiao. Why did they only do half the sales then?

We can only take from these numbers that, to the public, fights between Oscar/Mayweather & Hatton/Mayweather were more intriguing than Oscar/Pac & Hatton/Pac matches.

Also, were the reports of the fight not selling true? I remember hearing rumors but no evidence was presented. I read a report from a Golden Boy rep that said the rumors were false. Are they still rumor or were they proven fact?

Like I've said real fight fans just wanna see a good fight, most don't care who gets the lions share but the diehard fanboys of either fighters.

I don't give a shit if Pacman gets 40% of the purse or Floyd gets 60% of it and vice versa, I just want to see a good fight.

Are you working for Floyd?

Actually i'm not. I'm just a fan of boxing and would like to see this match happen because it is the best fight possible and would determine which fighter will claim the "boxer of the decade" throne.

All i see is one guy calling out the other, and the other saying nothing about it. One guy willing to pay out of pocket to make his #2 ranked opponent get out of the way so he can get at the #1 guy, and the other guy saying nothing.

The money thing shouldn't be the deciding factor for Pacquiao & his camp. The proof has been presented and the bottom line, the profit, favors Mayweather.

I'm a fan of both fighters and would support both of them but there should be no reason why this isn't being negotiated. Mayweather said he wants it, does Pacquiao? If this fight doesn't happen, who should we blame? The guy saying he's willing to pay out of pocket to get it or the guy who hasn't even issued a statement about it yet?

[LEGION]

What happened to Floyd wanting a "tune-up" fight to ease back in the game? If Floyd wanted Pac that bad maybe he should have waited until after Pac beat Hatton to come out of retirement, instead of announcing his fight with JMM right before the Hatton/Pac fight. I'm sure had that been the case the Mayweather/Pac fight could have been made by now.

[knodaledge]

^But why can't it be done now? Pacquiao isnt signed to fight anybody, in fact he's looking for an opponent. Mayweather is willing to pay out of pocket to free himself to fight Pacquiao.

I just want to see the effort from Pacquiao & his people to get this fight signed. This is the fight the people want, he's wifdely regarded as a people's champ. Give the people what they want. Or atleast make an effort to.

[LEGION]

^But why can't it be done now? Pacquiao isnt signed to fight anybody, in fact he's looking for an opponent. Mayweather is willing to pay out of pocket to free himself to fight Pacquiao.

I just want to see the effort from Pacquiao & his people to get this fight signed. This is the fight the people want, he's wifdely regarded as a people's champ. Give the people what they want. Or atleast make an effort to.

I'm with you man; I'd love to see the fight. It could be done now; but the Cotto negotiations are still going on so who knows? I'm just saying some of this could have been alleviated if Floyd and his "tune up" fight would have been put on the back burner. Just cause' Floyd says "jump" now doesn't mean Pac should. Maybe that's it; Pac's camp being stubborn. How would I know?

[OumaFan]

knodaledge you do realize JMM has a say in this right?

Some people are taking this offhand comment from Floyd too seriously, its not happening. The Floyd/Pac debate starts for real after the JMM fight, if he wins obviously.

[mnmc10]

one thing i dont want to happen is if pbf demands the lions share on pac. its pretty obvious now that pac should be getting the upper hand money wise. if pbf wants it he should agree to pacs terms not his. if he still insists to get the lion share then thats an indication that pbf doesnt want to fight pac.

[knodaledge]

one thing i dont want to happen is if pbf demands the lions share on pac. its pretty obvious now that pac should be getting the upper hand money wise. if pbf wants it he should agree to pacs terms not his. if he still insists to get the lion share then thats an indication that pbf doesnt want to fight pac.

This is what I dont understand. Why should Pacquiao get the lions share?

In their 2 common bouts (against Oscar & Hatton) Mayweather's sales were double that of Pacquiao's. I'm not saying that Mayweather generated the buzz, because it's obvious Oscar & Hatton did more than their share. But shouldn't the fights with Pacquiao have blown away the numbers Mayweather did with the same guys? If Pacquiao brings more to the table than Mayweather, his fights with Oscar & Hatton should've crushed Mayweather's numbers. But he did only half.

The bottom line is profits and Mayweather does have more of a claim to generating more profits against their 2 recent common opponents than Pacquiao has.

We can say Pacquiao is the cash cow, but in black & white Mayweather has the proof. Mayweather's last 2 fights sold better than Pacquiao's last 2 & they were against the same 2 guys. Hard to deny facts.

[generalbulldog]

What happened to Floyd wanting a "tune-up" fight to ease back in the game? If Floyd wanted Pac that bad maybe he should have waited until after Pac beat Hatton to come out of retirement, instead of announcing his fight with JMM right before the Hatton/Pac fight. I'm sure had that been the case the Mayweather/Pac fight could have been made by now.

I was thinking the same thing also. It was the day before Hatton-Pacman that Floyd announced he's fighting JMM. What he couldn't wait a few days after the fight to start negotiating with Pac? But instead waits after he signed a fight deal with JMM and now comes out with this.

Floyd fanboys have to look at that instead of coming into this thread and blaming Pacman for not making the fight happen when he's in negotiation with Cotto and Floyd is getting ready to fight JMM.