Bute-Andrade rematch 11/28!

[Kev]

Bute was knockdown with 3 sec left of the fight (not 30),
he was down for 8 sec. (not 20-25)
Andrade was about 2 ft. from the center of the ring when Marlon “proceeded to rant at him” (though not many ref pay attention to this rule)

Anyway this thread is about the rematch so here my prediction after a laborious calculus:

Bute – UD = 59.2%
Andrade – KO (TKO) = 37.3%
NC due to injuries = 3.5%
Bute – SD, MD or KO (TKO) = 0%
Andrade – SD, MD or UD = 0%
DRAW = 0%

No way was he 2ft from the centre, 2m maybe. I personally think Bute was only up by 8 if you start the count the way Wright did, which was late, not from when he hit the floor, but still you can make that argument that he was up, in which case Wright's despicable behaviour detracted from a great show of heart by Bute to get up.

Also agreed there were only 3 seconds left, although I personally felt any competent ref would have stopped it when Bute almost collapses onto the ropes with about 15-20 seconds left

I don't think it should have been stopped, Bute had won every single round and was seconds away from finishing the fight, I really don't think most other ref's would have stopped it at all whilst he was on his feet.

Kelly Pavlik looked just as out of it against Jermain Taylor in round 3 of their fight but was allowed to fight on and win. Raphael Marquez was almost out against Vazquez in the third fight but he wasn't stopped.

I think the count was looooooooooong but Bute got up anyway and the bell was about to immediately sound.

He would have survived to the bell just by standing to his feet (which he did) and it would have been a bigger travesty had the referee counted him out.

Basically the bell rung when Bute was in the same position as Jermain Taylor against Carl Froch. Taylor was sprawled on the canvas but managed to just pull himself up and stay on his feet for a few more seconds before the ref stepped in and saved him.

Had Taylor been stopped prior to the knockdown it would have been premature there, and stopping Bute prior to being knocked down would have been premature here too.

The ref did a shit job of the count, but Bute did what he had to do and beat the count.

Much is made of the delay in starting the count by Marlon Wright, but Bute is already up and on his feet when the count begins, hence he beat the count.

Andrade just left it too late.

[markb018]

yea my fault on the count. thought there was more time than that cause the bell had rung later on.

guess the question is would bute have come forward after that break with the whole corner thing, i would probably say yes, but i see where the debate lies

[DaxxKahn]

Bute was knockdown with 3 sec left of the fight (not 30),
he was down for 8 sec. (not 20-25)
Andrade was about 2 ft. from the center of the ring when Marlon “proceeded to rant at him” (though not many ref pay attention to this rule)

Anyway this thread is about the rematch so here my prediction after a laborious calculus:

Bute – UD = 59.2%
Andrade – KO (TKO) = 37.3%
NC due to injuries = 3.5%
Bute – SD, MD or KO (TKO) = 0%
Andrade – SD, MD or UD = 0%
DRAW = 0%

Bute was not knocked down with 3 seconds left. The bell rang after tall the ranting to Andrade and the ref proceeded back to the count and then the bell rang. It was closer to 30 than 3 seconds.

For people not to say those extra seconds aren't precious should ask Mosley when he was in against Mayorga. Now that was a fight in which fighter was not in the neutral corner

Yes he was knocked down with 3 seconds left, its just no fighter can be saved by the bell in the final round. Which is why the bell wasn't rung, as the ref hadn't made his decision whether or not to let Lucian Bute continue.

Watch this clip he was knocked down with about 3 seconds left in the round, the round was over by the time Lucian Bute got up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BD5rCPcXJ0

The count itself was close take away from the time left in the round, looking at this video I counted from the time Bute actually went down to the time he got up...Not the time Marlon started to count.....

I counted to 9 with so thew time was questionable but fact is if Marlon counted when he was supposed to and the way he was supposed to Andrade would of had time to put Bute down again....Lucian was rteady to go

[Kev]

Bute was not knocked down with 3 seconds left. The bell rang after tall the ranting to Andrade and the ref proceeded back to the count and then the bell rang. It was closer to 30 than 3 seconds.

For people not to say those extra seconds aren't precious should ask Mosley when he was in against Mayorga. Now that was a fight in which fighter was not in the neutral corner

Yes he was knocked down with 3 seconds left, its just no fighter can be saved by the bell in the final round. Which is why the bell wasn't rung, as the ref hadn't made his decision whether or not to let Lucian Bute continue.

Watch this clip he was knocked down with about 3 seconds left in the round, the round was over by the time Lucian Bute got up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BD5rCPcXJ0

The count itself was close take away from the time left in the round, looking at this video I counted from the time Bute actually went down to the time he got up...Not the time Marlon started to count.....

I counted to 9 with so thew time was questionable but fact is if Marlon counted when he was supposed to and the way he was supposed to Andrade would of had time to put Bute down again....Lucian was rteady to go

How would he? If you don't think there were only 3 seconds left there were clearly less than 10. The clock doesn't stop when the fighter is on the floor so those seconds would have run out whilst he was getting up.

Even if Marlon had given a fair count, as soon as Bute stood up the fight was finished, another punch wouldn't have been thrown.

The Marlon debacle if anything takes away from Bute because he did get up, and he did finish the fight.

[JazMerkin]

I don't think it should have been stopped, Bute had won every single round and was seconds away from finishing the fight, I really don't think most other ref's would have stopped it at all whilst he was on his feet.

Kelly Pavlik looked just as out of it against Jermain Taylor in round 3 of their fight but was allowed to fight on and win. Raphael Marquez was almost out against Vazquez in the third fight but he wasn't stopped.

I think the count was looooooooooong but Bute got up anyway and the bell was about to immediately sound.

He would have survived to the bell just by standing to his feet (which he did) and it would have been a bigger travesty had the referee counted him out.

Basically the bell rung when Bute was in the same position as Jermain Taylor against Carl Froch. Taylor was sprawled on the canvas but managed to just pull himself up and stay on his feet for a few more seconds before the ref stepped in and saved him.

Had Taylor been stopped prior to the knockdown it would have been premature there, and stopping Bute prior to being knocked down would have been premature here too.

The ref did a shit job of the count, but Bute did what he had to do and beat the count.

Much is made of the delay in starting the count by Marlon Wright, but Bute is already up and on his feet when the count begins, hence he beat the count.

Andrade just left it too late.

No way was Pavlik as out of it as Bute, he took punches off Taylor & Smoger checked his eyes & you could tell thought about stopping it. The difference was Bute was not really firing back & was failing to protect himself (I thought the same in the 3rd Izzy-Rafa fight even though I was supporting Rafa) & the referee should stop the fight in those circumstances.

I consider the situation Bute was in similar to that Taylor was in just as the ref stopped it against Froch. Bute is an extremely tough guy, if you waited for a guy to go down before stopping a fight, George Chuvalo, Jake LaMotta, Carmen Basilio & Wayne McCullough would all be dead. Bute showed tremendous heart to get up & Wright's behaviour detracted from what was a tremendous show of heart by both men.

[OumaFan]

Neither Pavlik or Rafa were in as bad shape as Bute.

That being said I didn't think it was as gigantic a travesty as some did. But it could have been stopped before Bute ever went down.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

it will either be a second round ko for andrade or a 12 round decision by bute. i can't see andrade waiting for the later round just to get lucky.