Who comes close to being a "perfect fighter?"

[ICB]

Yeah, but you said in the previous post that they could have off-nights. I know you're a fan of all those fighters but the fact is looking at their careers, even their primes, those are all deficiencies they have. I don't think Holmes had great handspeed, he had fantastic punch accuracy which I think made up for it, but I really don't think he had great handspeed.

But if we are basing it on that, then no fighter can be close to a perfect fighter then. Because even Salvador Sanchez had off nights, in two very close decision wins against Pat Cowdell, Patrick Ford.

All great fighters have off nights, some more so than others. But thats why when we have threads like this. I like to think of there greatest performance, where they looked unbeatable.

Yes, but then Ali had nights, like against Foreman or Patterson that he looked like a perfect fighter. In fact many a fighter could be perfect if you base it on their best nights. It should be at least over the basis of passage of time. In that case, none of those fighters are 'perfect'. Roy Jones Jr was an incredible fighter, but not perfect, the same with the other guys. Toney particularly had all the natural ingredients to be an ATG of the highest calibre, but he lacked the attitude to make the best of what he had.

To be honest though i think RJJ looked more unbeatable, than Muhammad Ali ever did. I mean to win even 4 rounds against a prime RJJ. Was considered an achievement, i mean he only ever struggled against Eric Harding, Montel Griffin 1, in his prime.

Where as Muhammad Ali had a bunch of struggles, he had many controversial decisions and struggles against mediocre fighters. I don't see why you call Muhammad Ali an almost perfect fighter but not RJJ, there pretty similar with how they relied alot on there athletic ability, except RJJ hit harder.

[jon09]

Joe Louis and Ray Robinson old school

Bernard Hopkins is pretty damn close to perfection he just lacks power.

A prime Roy Jones was a thing of beauty.

[eleven]

floyd mayweather is the perfect fighter

[holmcall]

Joe Louis and Ray Robinson old school

Bernard Hopkins is pretty damn close to perfection he just lacks power.

A prime Roy Jones was a thing of beauty.

Good old school picks. Gypse Joe Harris was very good.

[JazMerkin]

But if we are basing it on that, then no fighter can be close to a perfect fighter then. Because even Salvador Sanchez had off nights, in two very close decision wins against Pat Cowdell, Patrick Ford.

All great fighters have off nights, some more so than others. But thats why when we have threads like this. I like to think of there greatest performance, where they looked unbeatable.

Yes, but then Ali had nights, like against Foreman or Patterson that he looked like a perfect fighter. In fact many a fighter could be perfect if you base it on their best nights. It should be at least over the basis of passage of time. In that case, none of those fighters are 'perfect'. Roy Jones Jr was an incredible fighter, but not perfect, the same with the other guys. Toney particularly had all the natural ingredients to be an ATG of the highest calibre, but he lacked the attitude to make the best of what he had.

To be honest though i think RJJ looked more unbeatable, than Muhammad Ali ever did. I mean to win even 4 rounds against a prime RJJ. Was considered an achievement, i mean he only ever struggled against Eric Harding, Montel Griffin 1, in his prime.

Where as Muhammad Ali had a bunch of struggles, he had many controversial decisions and struggles against mediocre fighters. I don't see why you call Muhammad Ali an almost perfect fighter but not RJJ, there pretty similar with how they relied alot on there athletic ability, except RJJ hit harder.

No I can accept someone not seeing Ali as the perfect fighter, but with RJJ one thing he didn't have (I suspect at any point) was an excellent chin. Now I'm not one of these people who pretends he has a glass jaw, he didn't, but I don't think his chin was great which alone would stop him being a perfect fighter. Also too much of his prime was spent fighting guys not able to extend him. I got the impression that a Toney who actually bothered to train properly could have given him a trouble, as could a slightly more experienced Hopkins. He would have beaten Calzaghe at any point till he went to HW though. Fact.

[KKisser]

But if we are basing it on that, then no fighter can be close to a perfect fighter then. Because even Salvador Sanchez had off nights, in two very close decision wins against Pat Cowdell, Patrick Ford.

All great fighters have off nights, some more so than others. But thats why when we have threads like this. I like to think of there greatest performance, where they looked unbeatable.

Yes, but then Ali had nights, like against Foreman or Patterson that he looked like a perfect fighter. In fact many a fighter could be perfect if you base it on their best nights. It should be at least over the basis of passage of time. In that case, none of those fighters are 'perfect'. Roy Jones Jr was an incredible fighter, but not perfect, the same with the other guys. Toney particularly had all the natural ingredients to be an ATG of the highest calibre, but he lacked the attitude to make the best of what he had.

To be honest though i think RJJ looked more unbeatable, than Muhammad Ali ever did. I mean to win even 4 rounds against a prime RJJ. Was considered an achievement, i mean he only ever struggled against Eric Harding, Montel Griffin 1, in his prime.

Where as Muhammad Ali had a bunch of struggles, he had many controversial decisions and struggles against mediocre fighters. I don't see why you call Muhammad Ali an almost perfect fighter but not RJJ, there pretty similar with how they relied alot on there athletic ability, except RJJ hit harder.

agree, i like roy. if he had good whiskers he'd be a perfect fighter.

[Kev]

The closest thing to a perfect fighter is Carl 'The Cobra' Froch.

It's true that his defense is lacking but when you have an indestructable chin and body, wasting time taking defensive action only detracts, much like a sprinter would be foolishly wasting time if he was checking that there was solid ground beneath his feet before each step.

A defense is only necessary when your opponent can hurt you, we don't wear crash helmets when we go outside to protect us from flies, simply not necessary.

So, in conclusion, yes the most perfect fighter is Carl 'The Cobra' Froch.

[Violent Demise]

The closest thing to a perfect fighter is Carl 'The Cobra' Froch.

It's true that his defense is lacking but when you have an indestructable chin and body, wasting time taking defensive action only detracts, much like a sprinter would be foolishly wasting time if he was checking that there was solid ground beneath his feet before each step.

A defense is only necessary when your opponent can hurt you, we don't wear crash helmets when we go outside to protect us from flies, simply not necessary.

So, in conclusion, yes the most perfect fighter is Carl 'The Cobra' Froch.

Stop on your screen again. Thread says perfect fighter. Not crappiest

[SaltyBacon]

motivated lennox lewis
pernell whitaker

[SaltyBacon]

motivated lennox lewis
pernell whitaker

[holmcall]

Eder Jofre

[Dark Lord Al]

motivated lennox lewis
pernell whitaker

Lennox couldnt really fight on the inside , and as great as sweatpea was he lacked power.

[Master]

I hate to say it but SRL at his peak which was relatively a short span of time.

[ICB]

motivated lennox lewis
pernell whitaker

Lennox couldnt really fight on the inside , and as great as sweatpea was he lacked power.

Pernell Whitaker had more power than you think, the reason he didn't have a higher KO precentage. Is because he was mostly on the backfoot concentrating on defense, but when he needed to come forward and exchange he could.

I mean he was able to stun JCC a few times, he also badly hurt Felix Trinidad. And he KO'ed Disobelys Hurtado in one of the most brutal KO's i've ever seen. Im not saying he was a puncher because he clearly wasn't, but i do think his power was underrated.

[milmascaras1]

for me it's got to be sugar ray leonard followed by a lightweight sugar shane mosley. i never saw sugar ray robinson fight but i'm guessing he was something of a complete fighter too!