Really? Mind numbing revelation.
If you mean they are White because they aren't from African descent than ok, I concede your point. If you want to play semantics then fine, but please explain your definition of White.
I'm sure if you told the Gracie's they were white they would beg to differ; and would say they are Portugese, Spanish and indiginous South American Indian in descent, with a little Scottish about 200 years back in the pedigree. If the Gracie's are "white" than you might as well say Mexicans are "whitey's" as well with the different blood flowing in them. Floyd said himself Mexicans are at the top of the food chain in boxing, so by your logic they are white which in effect makes Floyd's argument that white people can't fight not only racist but borderline retarded.
Either way we both know what Floyd was talking about; good ole' fashioned whitebread from the US. And to be fair to Floyd, he's probably just trying to repeat what Lou DiBella always says about MMA but manages to sound even more pathetic than Lou does.
Since we're talking about white boxers. Would Kostya Tsyzu be considered white or what?
The Gracies aren't white, but there are plenty of white people in Brazil which I think was his point. I really don't see this comment as racist, I mean if I took everytime someone slightly generalized black people as racist, I would be one of those dicks seeing racism everywhere.
As to your earlier point about Hopkins, I agree with Bilbo, I see it more as a promotional tool, similarly with Alan Minter's comment before the Hagler fight. I think those are people trying to promote what on the surface aren't particularly interesting fights, the only problem being that Minter's comment drew large sections of the far right to his support, who promptly tried to destroy Wembley Arena, when Hagler battered him.
There's a vast difference between a stupid comment & a racist one (I do agree they sometimes go hand in hand. An example, Bill O'Reilly frequently makes generalized comments about black people, but I don't consider him a racist because of them as I think they're born out of ignorance. Just makes him a complete dick IMO
Yes Jaz I understood his point; I know there are whites in Brazil. Him saying Brazilians came from Brazil made me laugh though because it's just so glaringly obvious. He said the Gracies were white though; I was just interested in what his definition of white is. You know this is becoming tiring.
I was going to say something about the Hopkins thing but I'm done with this. All I know is double standards are funny as fukk; and that statement isn't pointed at you Jaz. I appreciate the conversation my man.
Last edited by LEGION; 07-21-2009 at 06:15 PM.
Lol, Piss off !!! I was just stating the obvious as I felt what I was quoting was a fairly bizarre/vague question.
If the Gracies do have some South American Indian blood in them then they arent really 100% white and I would consider them mixed race. Although the indigenous people of Scotland, Spain and Portugal are white.
I think the "white people need a fight sport" comment is very accurate and appeals to whites of lower earnings, education, and age. It has a white trash appeal that people eat up.
"If there's a better chin in the world than Pryor's, it has to be on Mount Rushmore." -Pat Putnam.
Same weight or Floyd pushing 100 pounds? I'm really not sure I'm even followed the meaning of your post. Are you comparing Sylvia to the 50 y.o. who has never boxed being beat in MMA by a boxer? Sorry; just missing your point I think.
1st; Tim Sylvia was a joke; the Valuev of MMA but worse. He got his ass kicked out of UFC; and only reason he won in UFC was because he had decent take down defense and weighed around 300 pounds, but still got owned by Couture who is 45 years old and weighed about 70 pounds less and actually outboxed him{which isn't saying much} Tim went to an obscure org. and got pitted against Mercer and Tim Sylvia thought he was a good boxer; a jab and 10ft. reach; lol he thinks that makes him a good boxer He always fought standing up and when he got matched up against Mercer I knew that, unless Mercer was senile, he would knock Sylvia right out and couldn't have been happier when he did. Mercer wouldn't have lasted 2-3 minutes against a submisson specialist.
If Floyd is saying MMA guys aren't on his level boxing wise I wholeheartedly agree; I've already said that. If he's saying that just generally speaking they have no fighting skills at all and he's an all around superior fighter to all of them he's delusional. I would however give Floyd a better shot at transitioning to MMA than an MMA guy going to boxing; because some guys like to "box" in MMA and Floyd would eat them up unless his hand broke and he started sobbing. And very few have even journeyman boxing skills...black, white, yellow, red or anything else.
For me I love boxing 1st....it's more pure, that's the best way I can desribe it.
Last edited by LEGION; 07-22-2009 at 12:37 AM.
If Floyd is no superstar yet makes about 50 million for his last 2 fights (according to ESPN), then The UFC must have nobody even close to being considered a superstar since they make peanuts compared to that.
Dana shot himself in the foot with that statement.
Sylvia is a joke yet he's a 2 time UFC heavyweight champion what does that say about MMA? my point is, MMA is pretty much overall a weak sport, anybody can beat anybody and there is no real DOMINANT fighter in the sport, aside from maybe Emilianenko (spelling?!?), you said "Tell me Floyd would stand a chance against a guy who outweighs him by almost 100 pounds like Dan Severn outweighed Joyce" so i ask you, name a fighter 50 yrs old who has little to no experience in boxing that can beat Mayweather, just the same way that Mercer KO'd Sylvia brutally, and to the other bolded part of your post, same way Severn and no other MMA fighter would last 12 rounds or even 10 rounds against a world class boxer, they only fight for 15 minutes on a non-title fight for godsake and 25 minutes in a championship fight, guess all that fondeling and dry humping on the floor really tires them out
Dana White is not well liked by the masses, but he is a smart, smart dude. He is a fabulous promoter who has the balls to call it like he sees it and speak his mind, and I think he's right on the money with what he said about boxing and Floyd.
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