When Pacquiao beats Cotto

[Gandalf]

My only issue is the weight. Why go ahead with 145 when 147 is so close and no question marks could be added if it were so?

If Manny dominates Cotto I will be surprised, but if he gets the win I will give him a lot of credit but not quite all the credit because he is taking Cotto down an entire 1000 grammes (or something like that) below what the fight should have been made at.

I'm sure Manny doesn't care less about credibility when he is earning all this money and taking away elements of risk in the process. He is a sensible business man.

[mnmc10]

My only issue is the weight. Why go ahead with 145 when 147 is so close and no question marks could be added if it were so?

cause if they fight at 147 then the advantage goes to cotto he being the bigger man. if they fight at 143 then advantage goes to pac being the smaller man.

if they fight at 145 then both of them has no advantage.

its just so hard for people to understand it. look if they fought at 147 then pac loses well thats because he is fighting a giant. if they fought at 143 and cotto loses then cotto is weightdrained. so to eliminate excuses why not fight at 145? so there would be no excuses. still hard to understand?

[OumaFan]

Hatton got beat because he was Ricky Hatton, I still have yet to see what he did that was so out of character in the Manny fight. He spent his career lunging in with the left hook. Manny is an all time great and Hatton was a good champion who couldn't hang, no shame in that, he only got beat by the best. And Luis Collazo Nah I actually scored that for Ricky.

[amat]

Life would be so much easier if I was just a fair weather boxing fan who watched boxing a dozen times a year, would make my life easier.

I like Pacquiao but people get so damned carried away. The win over Hatton was awesome and what he was supposed to do. He kept the fight in the center of the ring and he picked Ricky off as Ricky lunged in. Pac stepped up to the challenge and Ricky Hatton didn't. He may have trained well and been in top shape but tactically he was the same fighter. Following Roach's plan, I'm sure it came easy to Pacquiao especially with his sharp punching.

Against De La Hoya he had a flatfooted fighter who couldn't cope with Pac's speed and accuracy. Hatton or De La Hoya, neither were Cotto. No question this is his hardest fight yet. It just sucks that Cotto's biggest flaws are some of Pacquiao's biggest advantages but Cotto is fully capable of pulling this off. It is no certainty, Taeth you of all people should know it is foolish to assume ANYTHING in boxing.

[Taeth]

A flat-footed Oscar De La Hoya is faster than Cotto on his toes, he doesn't move quickly.

+ if you are talking about me, I watch more fights than 90% of hte people on here. Just because I spent more time watching the top end guys, or the guys who are up and coming wiht potential, doesn't mean I don't watch as much as you guys who watch c or d level guys a lot.

I read shit like JT is spouting that Pacquiao has never been tested above 135, then I guess Oscar's fights against Steve Forbes, Mayorga, and Mayweather count for nothing. It had absolutely nothing to do with how good Pacquiao that he won the way he did against Oscar. Or how he beat Ricky Hatton. Who is better than Ricky Hatton at 140? Nobody.

Who is better than Cotto who is still active at welterweight? Nobody.
Yes I think Cotto is better than more athletic guys like MOsley, Berto, and Zab Judah, but none of them are as good as Pacquiao.

People say I always pick the athlete, but I remember of late picking Oscar over Pacquiao, I thought Hatton-Pacquiao was going to be tough, but I was wrong both times, and even Pacquiao-Diaz I thought was going to be a really tough fight for Manny, because I thought he would be an easy target, but I was wrong.

You guys say I am getting carried away with Manny? I am not the one who things Cotto is a superb counter puncher. He's good at it, but its definitely not his bread and butter.

I am not assuming 100% that Manny wins, but I am sure like I was with Hopkins-Pavlik, Mayweather vs anyone(except Maybe Pacquiao), Calzaghe-Jones.

Pacquiao will win, but I already have my answer in regards to people. I already know 90% of you who don't like Manny will have excuses just like you did after he beat ODLH and Hatton. All I have to say is look back 3 years, I used to hate Manny, and there is a reason why I don't anymore, he has changed my mind.

IMO this isn't Manny's hardest fight, Marquez, Morales, and Barrera as complete fighters all brought more to the table than Cotto. I think Cotto is a great fighter, but his lack of durablity IMO takes him off ATG charts. Despite his great heart, he is too easy to hit, and too easy to hurt.

[ElTerribleMorales]

A flat-footed Oscar De La Hoya is faster than Cotto on his toes, he doesn't move quickly.

+ if you are talking about me, I watch more fights than 90% of hte people on here. Just because I spent more time watching the top end guys, or the guys who are up and coming wiht potential, doesn't mean I don't watch as much as you guys who watch c or d level guys a lot.

I read shit like JT is spouting that Pacquiao has never been tested above 135, then I guess Oscar's fights against Steve Forbes, Mayorga, and Mayweather count for nothing. It had absolutely nothing to do with how good Pacquiao that he won the way he did against Oscar. Or how he beat Ricky Hatton. Who is better than Ricky Hatton at 140? Nobody.

Who is better than Cotto who is still active at welterweight? Nobody.
Yes I think Cotto is better than more athletic guys like MOsley, Berto, and Zab Judah, but none of them are as good as Pacquiao.

People say I always pick the athlete, but I remember of late picking Oscar over Pacquiao, I thought Hatton-Pacquiao was going to be tough, but I was wrong both times, and even Pacquiao-Diaz I thought was going to be a really tough fight for Manny, because I thought he would be an easy target, but I was wrong.

You guys say I am getting carried away with Manny? I am not the one who things Cotto is a superb counter puncher. He's good at it, but its definitely not his bread and butter.

I am not assuming 100% that Manny wins, but I am sure like I was with Hopkins-Pavlik, Mayweather vs anyone(except Maybe Pacquiao), Calzaghe-Jones.

Pacquiao will win, but I already have my answer in regards to people. I already know 90% of you who don't like Manny will have excuses just like you did after he beat ODLH and Hatton. All I have to say is look back 3 years, I used to hate Manny, and there is a reason why I don't anymore, he has changed my mind.

IMO this isn't Manny's hardest fight, Marquez, Morales, and Barrera as complete fighters all brought more to the table than Cotto. I think Cotto is a great fighter, but his lack of durablity IMO takes him off ATG charts. Despite his great heart, he is too easy to hit, and too easy to hurt.

Manny isn't too hard to find himself, and is completely ineffective while being backed up, which IMO he'll be doing plenty of against Cotto

[OumaFan]

A flat-footed Oscar De La Hoya is faster than Cotto on his toes, he doesn't move quickly.

+ if you are talking about me, I watch more fights than 90% of hte people on here. Just because I spent more time watching the top end guys, or the guys who are up and coming wiht potential, doesn't mean I don't watch as much as you guys who watch c or d level guys a lot.

I read shit like JT is spouting that Pacquiao has never been tested above 135, then I guess Oscar's fights against Steve Forbes, Mayorga, and Mayweather count for nothing. It had absolutely nothing to do with how good Pacquiao that he won the way he did against Oscar. Or how he beat Ricky Hatton. Who is better than Ricky Hatton at 140? Nobody.

Who is better than Cotto who is still active at welterweight? Nobody.
Yes I think Cotto is better than more athletic guys like MOsley, Berto, and Zab Judah, but none of them are as good as Pacquiao.

People say I always pick the athlete, but I remember of late picking Oscar over Pacquiao, I thought Hatton-Pacquiao was going to be tough, but I was wrong both times, and even Pacquiao-Diaz I thought was going to be a really tough fight for Manny, because I thought he would be an easy target, but I was wrong.

You guys say I am getting carried away with Manny? I am not the one who things Cotto is a superb counter puncher. He's good at it, but its definitely not his bread and butter.

I am not assuming 100% that Manny wins, but I am sure like I was with Hopkins-Pavlik, Mayweather vs anyone(except Maybe Pacquiao), Calzaghe-Jones.

Pacquiao will win, but I already have my answer in regards to people. I already know 90% of you who don't like Manny will have excuses just like you did after he beat ODLH and Hatton. All I have to say is look back 3 years, I used to hate Manny, and there is a reason why I don't anymore, he has changed my mind.

IMO this isn't Manny's hardest fight, Marquez, Morales, and Barrera as complete fighters all brought more to the table than Cotto. I think Cotto is a great fighter, but his lack of durablity IMO takes him off ATG charts. Despite his great heart, he is too easy to hit, and too easy to hurt.

Manny isn't too hard to find himself, and is completely ineffective while being backed up, which IMO he'll be doing plenty of against Cotto

Not true. Maybe old Manny but the newer version has added great movement and can fight on the back foot. Anyway he moves side to side more than he does straight back.

[OumaFan]

A flat-footed Oscar De La Hoya is faster than Cotto on his toes, he doesn't move quickly.

+ if you are talking about me, I watch more fights than 90% of hte people on here. Just because I spent more time watching the top end guys, or the guys who are up and coming wiht potential, doesn't mean I don't watch as much as you guys who watch c or d level guys a lot.

I read shit like JT is spouting that Pacquiao has never been tested above 135, then I guess Oscar's fights against Steve Forbes, Mayorga, and Mayweather count for nothing. It had absolutely nothing to do with how good Pacquiao that he won the way he did against Oscar. Or how he beat Ricky Hatton. Who is better than Ricky Hatton at 140? Nobody.

Who is better than Cotto who is still active at welterweight? Nobody.
Yes I think Cotto is better than more athletic guys like MOsley, Berto, and Zab Judah, but none of them are as good as Pacquiao.

People say I always pick the athlete, but I remember of late picking Oscar over Pacquiao, I thought Hatton-Pacquiao was going to be tough, but I was wrong both times, and even Pacquiao-Diaz I thought was going to be a really tough fight for Manny, because I thought he would be an easy target, but I was wrong.

You guys say I am getting carried away with Manny? I am not the one who things Cotto is a superb counter puncher. He's good at it, but its definitely not his bread and butter.

I am not assuming 100% that Manny wins, but I am sure like I was with Hopkins-Pavlik, Mayweather vs anyone(except Maybe Pacquiao), Calzaghe-Jones.

Pacquiao will win, but I already have my answer in regards to people. I already know 90% of you who don't like Manny will have excuses just like you did after he beat ODLH and Hatton. All I have to say is look back 3 years, I used to hate Manny, and there is a reason why I don't anymore, he has changed my mind.

IMO this isn't Manny's hardest fight, Marquez, Morales, and Barrera as complete fighters all brought more to the table than Cotto. I think Cotto is a great fighter, but his lack of durablity IMO takes him off ATG charts. Despite his great heart, he is too easy to hit, and too easy to hurt.

Err, yeah I think it kinda does. Because the majority of the really hardcore fans that watch all of the "D and C level fights" also watch the big names and prospects that you watch. They don't consciously limit themselves to fighters Taeth thinks are crap.

[Taeth]

A flat-footed Oscar De La Hoya is faster than Cotto on his toes, he doesn't move quickly.

+ if you are talking about me, I watch more fights than 90% of hte people on here. Just because I spent more time watching the top end guys, or the guys who are up and coming wiht potential, doesn't mean I don't watch as much as you guys who watch c or d level guys a lot.

I read shit like JT is spouting that Pacquiao has never been tested above 135, then I guess Oscar's fights against Steve Forbes, Mayorga, and Mayweather count for nothing. It had absolutely nothing to do with how good Pacquiao that he won the way he did against Oscar. Or how he beat Ricky Hatton. Who is better than Ricky Hatton at 140? Nobody.

Who is better than Cotto who is still active at welterweight? Nobody.
Yes I think Cotto is better than more athletic guys like MOsley, Berto, and Zab Judah, but none of them are as good as Pacquiao.

People say I always pick the athlete, but I remember of late picking Oscar over Pacquiao, I thought Hatton-Pacquiao was going to be tough, but I was wrong both times, and even Pacquiao-Diaz I thought was going to be a really tough fight for Manny, because I thought he would be an easy target, but I was wrong.

You guys say I am getting carried away with Manny? I am not the one who things Cotto is a superb counter puncher. He's good at it, but its definitely not his bread and butter.

I am not assuming 100% that Manny wins, but I am sure like I was with Hopkins-Pavlik, Mayweather vs anyone(except Maybe Pacquiao), Calzaghe-Jones.

Pacquiao will win, but I already have my answer in regards to people. I already know 90% of you who don't like Manny will have excuses just like you did after he beat ODLH and Hatton. All I have to say is look back 3 years, I used to hate Manny, and there is a reason why I don't anymore, he has changed my mind.

IMO this isn't Manny's hardest fight, Marquez, Morales, and Barrera as complete fighters all brought more to the table than Cotto. I think Cotto is a great fighter, but his lack of durablity IMO takes him off ATG charts. Despite his great heart, he is too easy to hit, and too easy to hurt.

Err, yeah I think it kinda does. Because the majority of the really hardcore fans that watch all of the "D and C level fights" also watch the big names and prospects that you watch. They don't consciously limit themselves to fighters Taeth thinks are crap.

Why would I want to watch fighters I think are crap? I am not telling you not to, but I watch the fighters we are talking about way more often than you guys do. Whats the point in watching fighters that aren't talented? I don't mind in person, but on TV they are boring.

[amat]

A flat-footed Oscar De La Hoya is faster than Cotto on his toes, he doesn't move quickly.

+ if you are talking about me, I watch more fights than 90% of hte people on here. Just because I spent more time watching the top end guys, or the guys who are up and coming wiht potential, doesn't mean I don't watch as much as you guys who watch c or d level guys a lot.

I read shit like JT is spouting that Pacquiao has never been tested above 135, then I guess Oscar's fights against Steve Forbes, Mayorga, and Mayweather count for nothing. It had absolutely nothing to do with how good Pacquiao that he won the way he did against Oscar. Or how he beat Ricky Hatton. Who is better than Ricky Hatton at 140? Nobody.

Who is better than Cotto who is still active at welterweight? Nobody.
Yes I think Cotto is better than more athletic guys like MOsley, Berto, and Zab Judah, but none of them are as good as Pacquiao.

People say I always pick the athlete, but I remember of late picking Oscar over Pacquiao, I thought Hatton-Pacquiao was going to be tough, but I was wrong both times, and even Pacquiao-Diaz I thought was going to be a really tough fight for Manny, because I thought he would be an easy target, but I was wrong.

You guys say I am getting carried away with Manny? I am not the one who things Cotto is a superb counter puncher. He's good at it, but its definitely not his bread and butter.

I am not assuming 100% that Manny wins, but I am sure like I was with Hopkins-Pavlik, Mayweather vs anyone(except Maybe Pacquiao), Calzaghe-Jones.

Pacquiao will win, but I already have my answer in regards to people. I already know 90% of you who don't like Manny will have excuses just like you did after he beat ODLH and Hatton. All I have to say is look back 3 years, I used to hate Manny, and there is a reason why I don't anymore, he has changed my mind.

IMO this isn't Manny's hardest fight, Marquez, Morales, and Barrera as complete fighters all brought more to the table than Cotto. I think Cotto is a great fighter, but his lack of durablity IMO takes him off ATG charts. Despite his great heart, he is too easy to hit, and too easy to hurt.

Taeth how do you know you watch 90% more fights then anybody else on here? That isn't going to endear you to anyone here and just makes you sound pompous. There are a lot of people here who are clued in who don't give a shit how much boxing you think you watch. Also, I'm sure there are people who have watched A LOT more boxing then you who you think you know a lot more then. Why the insecurity?

Anyways, I think you are trippin hard if you think Oscar was faster then what Cotto will be. Maybe old school Oscar who could rip those combinations off so quickly but not the Oscar who couldn't "pull the trigger" against Pacquiao, especially on the feet.

You might be right that Morales and Marquez are both harder on Pacquiao but he lost to both of those guys. I agree that Cotto is there to be hit, and it's not exactly a tossup fight but Cotto is far from eliminated.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Who is better than Cotto who is still active at welterweight? Nobody.
Yes I think Cotto is better than more athletic guys like MOsley, Berto, and Zab Judah, but none of them are as good as Pacquiao.


IMO this isn't Manny's hardest fight, Marquez, Morales, and Barrera as complete fighters all brought more to the table than Cotto. I think Cotto is a great fighter, but his lack of durablity IMO takes him off ATG charts. Despite his great heart, he is too easy to hit, and too easy to hurt.

Cotto is a solid enough fighter, the only thing I see that he has over Mosely is the advantage of youth, he's not quicker or slicker in any department hence Roach didn't want him. Mosley could have turned in a great performance or a bad one at this stage in his career. That would be too risky so they're gone for the fighter that is predictable.

I think Cotto is a tougher test than Hatton.