When Pacquiao beats Cotto

[OumaFan]

LOL I'm not arguing that he doesn't move back from time to time, who doesn't? Saying he's "completely ineffective" when he's getting backed up is what I'm arguing, that's way off. He let Hatton take the lead, he moved and fought off his back foot some and that worked out ok

[ElTerribleMorales]

LOL I'm not arguing that he doesn't move back from time to time, who doesn't? Saying he's "completely ineffective" when he's getting backed up is what I'm arguing, that's way off. He let Hatton take the lead, he moved and fought off his back foot some and that worked out ok

he backed up directly on the rope and took a few shots but mainly was able to circle off cause Hatton was sloppy and careless, Cotto isn't Hatton

[amat]

Yup, first backward step he takes it's the end of Pacquiao's night. First one.

[OumaFan]

Yup, first backward step he takes it's the end of Pacquiao's night. First one.

[OumaFan]

so that makes him completely ineffective while being backed up? Everybody gets backed up to the ropes sometimes when they're moving a lot (Cotto himself has spent too much time on the ropes in some fights), some just have better defense while on the ropes or spend less time there.

[amat]

Give it up, he went straight back against Hatton and has been rendered one dimensional since. I haven't seen anyone exposed so badly since Derrick Gainer ruined Juan Manuel Marquez' career.

[OumaFan]

That's wisdom. Just think how much you would know about boxing if you watched as much tape as Taeth.

[amat]

I probably wouldn't post on here as much as all you guys seem to talk about are c and d level fighters.

[LEGION]

LOL I'm not arguing that he doesn't move back from time to time, who doesn't? Saying he's "completely ineffective" when he's getting backed up is what I'm arguing, that's way off. He let Hatton take the lead, he moved and fought off his back foot some and that worked out ok

he backed up directly on the rope and took a few shots but mainly was able to circle off cause Hatton was sloppy and careless, Cotto isn't Hatton

I think those few times he let Hattonback im up to th ropes was because he knewhe was stronger, tossed Ricky right off him. He lets Cotto back him up that's too much guy to be throwing around; bad move if Pac lets Cotto take him to the ropes. He'll try to keep it in the center all night imo like he did wth Oscar and Diaz.

[Taeth]

LOL I'm not arguing that he doesn't move back from time to time, who doesn't? Saying he's "completely ineffective" when he's getting backed up is what I'm arguing, that's way off. He let Hatton take the lead, he moved and fought off his back foot some and that worked out ok

he backed up directly on the rope and took a few shots but mainly was able to circle off cause Hatton was sloppy and careless, Cotto isn't Hatton

Cotto isn't Hatton, and he also doesn't have half of Hatton's footspeed. If you need proof of that watch them both against Paulie. I know Cotto was weight drained, but if you watch him in that fight then as a welterweight, you will see he moved quicker in that fight then he does as a welterweight.

Also Ouma, if there is a big fight I watch pretty solely the guys who are going to fight everyday. I like to do it. I've seen so much tape of Cotto and PAcquiao its not even funny.

I was the one when you all said Pacquiao was going to be blown away by Oscar and was just fighting him for a payday, I thought he would lose in a close fight.

I thought Hopkins was going to beat Pavlik in their fight.

I thought Mosley was going to put up a good fight with Margarito, and that he was going to be stopped, so many people argued with me on these points yet I was broke down what was going to happen, and it did.

I said Hopkins' movement would give Pavlik fits and that he wouldn't be able to get off and that Hopkins was too accurate, and too good defensively, and thats what happened. I said it would be because Pavlik didn't have fast enough footwork and Hopkins would be able to stay out of his range which he did.

For Pacquiao against Oscar, I said the chance he has is that everytime Mayweather and Forbes threw punches against Oscar, he didn't try to counter, I could see he was gun shy in that regard, I was wrong in that I thought Manny wouldn't be so elusive, but if you look at the difference between how he fought OScar and how Floyd did, is that Manny used so much more movement, Floyd has such good defensive he doesn't move as much as he could or maybe should, but Manny didn't let OScar close the gap.

For Mosley-Margarito I was saying for so long that Mosley's footspeed was much greater than Cotto's, and that he was way more durable. I thought Margarito would just outwork Mosley in the long run, but I said there is no way Mosley would get stopped by Margarito or that he would be blown out. People thought I was crazy to think guys like Mayorga or Vargas could be compared to Margarito, but I've been saying for years that Margarito is slow and with decent footspeed and countering skills he's wide open.

I've said for a years Cotto is great if he can reach you, but I think Manny and Floyd are the only guys around his weight class, that he won't be able to find in there. We see that he isn't as effective against Clottey as he was against Mosley, and I think its because Clottey was blocking a lot more than Mosley. IMO Cotto being as sharp as he is, and as good with distance and timing as he is will make it even worse for him, because he will know that Manny is outside his range, he will know that Manny will be able to get in and out before he can respond, it will take maybe a round or two for Miguel to realize that he can't reach Manny, and I honestly don't know what he can do to change it.

If someone can give me a good reason why Cotto can close that distance then I think he would win, but he doesn't use a lot of headmovement when he comes forward and his feet are so slow. Mosley was trying to react to Cotto because he thought he was a lot faster which was a mistake, and Manny won't do that, he will just get the hell out of dodge.

[OumaFan]

LOL I'm not arguing that he doesn't move back from time to time, who doesn't? Saying he's "completely ineffective" when he's getting backed up is what I'm arguing, that's way off. He let Hatton take the lead, he moved and fought off his back foot some and that worked out ok

he backed up directly on the rope and took a few shots but mainly was able to circle off cause Hatton was sloppy and careless, Cotto isn't Hatton

Cotto isn't Hatton, and he also doesn't have half of Hatton's footspeed. If you need proof of that watch them both against Paulie. I know Cotto was weight drained, but if you watch him in that fight then as a welterweight, you will see he moved quicker in that fight then he does as a welterweight.

Also Ouma, if there is a big fight I watch pretty solely the guys who are going to fight everyday. I like to do it. I've seen so much tape of Cotto and PAcquiao its not even funny.

I was the one when you all said Pacquiao was going to be blown away by Oscar and was just fighting him for a payday, I thought he would lose in a close fight.

I thought Hopkins was going to beat Pavlik in their fight.

I thought Mosley was going to put up a good fight with Margarito, and that he was going to be stopped, so many people argued with me on these points yet I was broke down what was going to happen, and it did.

I said Hopkins' movement would give Pavlik fits and that he wouldn't be able to get off and that Hopkins was too accurate, and too good defensively, and thats what happened. I said it would be because Pavlik didn't have fast enough footwork and Hopkins would be able to stay out of his range which he did.

For Pacquiao against Oscar, I said the chance he has is that everytime Mayweather and Forbes threw punches against Oscar, he didn't try to counter, I could see he was gun shy in that regard, I was wrong in that I thought Manny wouldn't be so elusive, but if you look at the difference between how he fought OScar and how Floyd did, is that Manny used so much more movement, Floyd has such good defensive he doesn't move as much as he could or maybe should, but Manny didn't let OScar close the gap.

For Mosley-Margarito I was saying for so long that Mosley's footspeed was much greater than Cotto's, and that he was way more durable. I thought Margarito would just outwork Mosley in the long run, but I said there is no way Mosley would get stopped by Margarito or that he would be blown out. People thought I was crazy to think guys like Mayorga or Vargas could be compared to Margarito, but I've been saying for years that Margarito is slow and with decent footspeed and countering skills he's wide open.

I've said for a years Cotto is great if he can reach you, but I think Manny and Floyd are the only guys around his weight class, that he won't be able to find in there. We see that he isn't as effective against Clottey as he was against Mosley, and I think its because Clottey was blocking a lot more than Mosley. IMO Cotto being as sharp as he is, and as good with distance and timing as he is will make it even worse for him, because he will know that Manny is outside his range, he will know that Manny will be able to get in and out before he can respond, it will take maybe a round or two for Miguel to realize that he can't reach Manny, and I honestly don't know what he can do to change it.

If someone can give me a good reason why Cotto can close that distance then I think he would win, but he doesn't use a lot of headmovement when he comes forward and his feet are so slow. Mosley was trying to react to Cotto because he thought he was a lot faster which was a mistake, and Manny won't do that, he will just get the hell out of dodge.

So you were 1-2 on those three Just fucking with you.

Not to toot my own horn but I went 3 for 3 on those on the prediction contest. Granted I think the Pac one I kind of just said the hell with it and picked him. The Hopkins one was the only one I was really out and out confident about.

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