Old Super-Middleweight/Middleweight/Light Middleweight Threads

[Spicoli]

Like Jaz said, all polls will last for 3 days, but even with Spicoli's vote it would be 4 to 2 for Williams filling #8... so he's in!

As for filling vacancies; that was also approved by a vote, so we should stick with it for awhile at least & trial it

I remember Spicoli bringing up the idea of voting to fill the heavyweight spots as he thought having Haye ranked & Arreola in the pool looked a little strange... at least with a vote to fill spots we get fighters ranked who the majority of managers agree with

Understood on the time frame for polls but discussion never hurt anything.I had not voted yet because the idea of Williams in the top ten was not all that bad,just not a vote for an 8th spot in hindsight for a fight that had already happened.Would we have aforded Wright the same placement? I am for filling vancancies but with three in any division,I feel we need to let things sort out,wait and see what big fights may be made at least for a while and leave at least one open?Was it 6 months on a vacant spot?

[Galaxy]

Like Jaz said, all polls will last for 3 days, but even with Spicoli's vote it would be 4 to 2 for Williams filling #8... so he's in!

As for filling vacancies; that was also approved by a vote, so we should stick with it for awhile at least & trial it

I remember Spicoli bringing up the idea of voting to fill the heavyweight spots as he thought having Haye ranked & Arreola in the pool looked a little strange... at least with a vote to fill spots we get fighters ranked who the majority of managers agree with

Understood on the time frame for polls but discussion never hurt anything.I had not voted yet because the idea of Williams in the top ten was not all that bad,just not a vote for an 8th spot in hindsight for a fight that had already happened.Would we have aforded Wright the same placement? I am for filling vancancies but with three in any division,I feel we need to let things sort out,wait and see what big fights may be made at least for a while and leave at least one open?Was it 6 months on a vacant spot?

Don't remember deciding on a time frame for vacant spots? I remember something about 6 months for pool members...

With the way fighters earn their ranks they have to beat those ahead of them, so essentially those ranked lower will be pushed down anyway

On your question about giving Wright the same placement... if Wright had beat Williams & we just voted as we did I think I would have voted for Wright to fill the vacancy

If it makes you feel better we can include an option in the future votes for vacancies to leave it vacant, that way you can have your say if that's how you feel?

[Spicoli]

We have discussions of a very possible Pavlik vs. Williams fight.....why force a vote on the past wright fight as opposed to Williams fighting his way in against the top ranked Middle guy?

Where is the manager of the division?Would like to see Tams input on filling these spots.

I would propose that in the future all vacant spots are left open for a minimal amount of time prior to a vote on an upcoming fight to fill a vacant spot.Leaves room for natural flexibility...think Darwin .Bud...I think its the number of spots and hindsight voting that are getting me.Just seems, with much respect,manufactured a bit.Not trying to break balls here and dont want to get bogged down.Just voicing opinion.

[Galaxy]

We have discussions of a very possible Pavlik vs. Williams fight.....why force a vote on the past wright fight as opposed to Williams fighting his way in against the top ranked Middle guy?

Where is the manager of the division?Would like to see Tams input on filling these spots.

I would propose that in the future all vacant spots are left open for a minimal amount of time prior to a vote on an upcoming fight to fill a vacant spot.Leaves room for natural flexibility...think Darwin .Bud...I think its the number of spots and hindsight voting that are getting me.Just seems, with much respect,manufactured a bit.Not trying to break balls here and dont want to get bogged down.Just voicing opinion.

Where oh where could little Tam be? At this point I don't think his input is very valid as he has been very inactive.

The thing with waiting for the result of Pavlik/ Williams is that if Williams loses he probably gets removed from the pool... right? Whereas if he enters the fight as our number 8 guy he has the opportunity the be demoted with a lose & still possible be ranked.

imo 8 is a very fair entry for Williams... The Ring has him at 5!

I remember we did the same thing Antillon for the 10th spot at 135 at the time based on his 2 previous fights at lightweight that had already happened... do I sense some favoritism? Or is your boy Urbano exempt?

If you like put up a poll to see if other members feel we should have a time limit before voting to fill vacancies. But I feel filling the vacancies as soon as they become vacant is the best way to go, it gives us a complete top 10, based on the majority of the active managers opinions & creates opportunities for guys fighting those we voted in to win/ earn ranking...

[Spicoli]

We have discussions of a very possible Pavlik vs. Williams fight.....why force a vote on the past wright fight as opposed to Williams fighting his way in against the top ranked Middle guy?

Where is the manager of the division?Would like to see Tams input on filling these spots.

I would propose that in the future all vacant spots are left open for a minimal amount of time prior to a vote on an upcoming fight to fill a vacant spot.Leaves room for natural flexibility...think Darwin .Bud...I think its the number of spots and hindsight voting that are getting me.Just seems, with much respect,manufactured a bit.Not trying to break balls here and dont want to get bogged down.Just voicing opinion.

Where oh where could little Tam be? At this point I don't think his input is very valid as he has been very inactive.

The thing with waiting for the result of Pavlik/ Williams is that if Williams loses he probably gets removed from the pool... right? Whereas if he enters the fight as our number 8 guy he has the opportunity the be demoted with a lose & still possible be ranked.

imo 8 is a very fair entry for Williams... The Ring has him at 5!

I remember we did the same thing Antillon for the 10th spot at 135 at the time based on his 2 previous fights at lightweight that had already happened... do I sense some favoritism? Or is your boy Urbano exempt?

If you like put up a poll to see if other members feel we should have a time limit before voting to fill vacancies. But I feel filling the vacancies as soon as they become vacant is the best way to go, it gives us a complete top 10, based on the majority of the active managers opinions & creates opportunities for guys fighting those we voted in to win/ earn ranking...

Mate.The votes done and we are just spinning our wheels here and bogging it down.I just dont understand the reasoning and moving on Williams in that first part above?.I'm not particularly concerned with where I can still rank a guy should he lose?.....and a loss does not mean auomatic expulsion from the pool does it? Vote in at 10 is one thing but higher can be massaged.

I do my best to stay away from favoritism,it does not play hear but I'm not perfect & do believe Antillon merits ranking as hes campaigned there a few recently and spot was vacant at the time he won.Williams jumped to 160 pool off Wright win already?Can we propel a guy twice off same win really.

Anyway bud.No harm either way and just stuck on it.Cheers all is with respect Galaxy.Just hashing it out and letting it go.Guess this is all part of the system being molded into shape.cheers

[Galaxy]

Its all good Spicoli, I don't feel we're bogging it down, its good to discuss these things. I'm just trying to give the other side of the argument. There were 3 vacancies at 160, which is to many imo & to be honest I don't think anyone in the pool or in a possible upcoming fight is better than Williams, unless they beat him. Lorenzo, Griffin, Geale... Williams would have to be a strong favorite over them.

Although a loss does not necessarily mean removal from the pool, it usually does end up that way. Say if Williams loses to Pavlik in a close controversial fight he could remain at 8th, if its clear cut he could be dropped to 9th or 10th depending on a vote, if its a blowout he could drop back to the pool with a 3 point demotion.

I'm not saying I voted him in just because it gives us more options if he loses, I think he is the best choice to fill the position & if you can name one guy or upcoming fight that would elevate them above Williams I'd be willing to listen. But the fact is we have 3 vacant spots & Williams a p4pr is the best fighter imo to fill one of them...

I know you don't play favs bro, was just trying to show another example of where fights that had already happened had been used to fill a vacancy. I agree Antillon should be ranked.

The rule of filling vacancies was changed just recently by a vote, but can still use some tweaks. Like I said before; when voting to fill vacancies we should include the option to leave the spot vacant along with those nominated.

Mad respect Spicoli, your one of the guys that make this place so good!