Lyle's, Pick'em Hypothetical Fights

[Dark Lord Al]

OK guys, I have done any number of hypothetical fight threads but this one imparticular is me trying my damnedest to make the seemingly most even matchups you could ever have....alright here I go.

Tommy Hearns-Shane Mosely 147- Sure Tommy has all the tools to beat Shane Mosley, height, size, power, strength, but Shane in return has all the tools to beat Tommy, a chin, stamina, power, fast flurries of punches.

Salvador Sanchez-Julio Cesar Chavez 130/135- OK Sanchez is a bit of a myth as we now know him, but he was GREAT, powerful, great workrate, but he was also everything Julio Cesar Chavez was as well.

Mike Tyson-Riddick Bowe- OK in his Prime Tyson could handle ANYONE, and while he did have SOME trouble with guys like Tony Tucker he still won. Riddick Bowe had the size and the skill set to easily beat Tyson but was he mentally tough enough to fight a perfect fight because if you as the taller man, give up the inside to Tyson you are DONE.

Roberto Duran-Alexis Arguello 135- Two big powerful and skilled fighters, both with no quit in them (at least at 135 for Duran). Duran was THE GREATEST at 135, but Arguello was one tough cookie.

That's all I can think of for now, but I will have more later on.

Tommy Hearns v Shane Mosley - both top fighters but if Mosley gets floored by Vern Forrest , and struggles with Oscar's jab , then the HITMAN knocks him out inside 4 rounds for me.
Hearns KO4

Sanchez v JC Chavez - both amazing fighters but over 15 rounds i give it to Sanchez , as he is slightly more adaptable as a fighter than Chavez.
Sanchez split points 15

Bowe v Tyson - Bowes chin lets him down in this one , Tyson chops him down inside 2 rounds.
Tyson TKO 2

Duran v Arguello - An interesting fight indeed , but i would lean towards Duran to score a TKO in about round 12-13.
Duran TKO 13.

(1) Shane suffered a concussion from the headbutt sustained moments before he was caught with a nice right hand by vernon, and still managed to avoid being stopped. Only been down once in his career, only seriously hurt that one time as well against 50 pro fights with a who's who's of his generation. NEVER BEEN STOPPED.

Hearns stopped by barkley,SRL, and hagler. Knocked down a hand full of times. Yet somehow he would manage to stop SHANE

At 147 Shane puts hearns to sleep late by crowding and over powering him all night. That's the not even prime shane. The shane that fought Oscar in the first fight would destroy any version of hearns.

(2) Bowe who has never been stopped, out fought evander twice. (which probably shortened his career) against tyson who only came to fight when he knew his opponent was beaten before the fight. He lost to everyone from his generation. KO'ed in his prime against douglass. Probably the most overrated heavy of all time. Would lose a UD to Bowe.

as far as the others..

I take JCC over sanchez

and duran over arguello...Alexis didn't have the pop to keep duran off of him and would have been stopped late.

Tommy Hearns only lost 1 time at WW , and it was after running out of gas against SRL , my opinion is Tommy blows Shane away , for the record i am also a fan of Shane and think he is a top fighter and man.
If my opinion offends you then I'm very sorry Mrs Mosley.

[HattonTheHammer]

Hearns-Mosley - think tommys power would frighten off sugar enough to earn him a points win (ala:cotto-mosley)

Sanchez-JCC - havent seen enough sanchez fights to comment

Tyson-Bowe - prime mike would of just walked through bowe and taken him out within 3 brutal rounds. Tyson loved fighting taller guys as it just gave him more to aim at and it often ended in either a tyson overhand or an uppercut from a clinch. Bowe wouldnt stand a chance

Duran-Arguello - Alexis at 135 was an animal and often saw off front foot fighters like duran. But roberto would probably of got him in the later rounds especially if it was a 15er

[JonesJrMayweather]

Tommy Hearns v Shane Mosley - both top fighters but if Mosley gets floored by Vern Forrest , and struggles with Oscar's jab , then the HITMAN knocks him out inside 4 rounds for me.
Hearns KO4

Sanchez v JC Chavez - both amazing fighters but over 15 rounds i give it to Sanchez , as he is slightly more adaptable as a fighter than Chavez.
Sanchez split points 15

Bowe v Tyson - Bowes chin lets him down in this one , Tyson chops him down inside 2 rounds.
Tyson TKO 2

Duran v Arguello - An interesting fight indeed , but i would lean towards Duran to score a TKO in about round 12-13.
Duran TKO 13.

(1) Shane suffered a concussion from the headbutt sustained moments before he was caught with a nice right hand by vernon, and still managed to avoid being stopped. Only been down once in his career, only seriously hurt that one time as well against 50 pro fights with a who's who's of his generation. NEVER BEEN STOPPED.

Hearns stopped by barkley,SRL, and hagler. Knocked down a hand full of times. Yet somehow he would manage to stop SHANE

At 147 Shane puts hearns to sleep late by crowding and over powering him all night. That's the not even prime shane. The shane that fought Oscar in the first fight would destroy any version of hearns.

(2) Bowe who has never been stopped, out fought evander twice. (which probably shortened his career) against tyson who only came to fight when he knew his opponent was beaten before the fight. He lost to everyone from his generation. KO'ed in his prime against douglass. Probably the most overrated heavy of all time. Would lose a UD to Bowe.

as far as the others..

I take JCC over sanchez

and duran over arguello...Alexis didn't have the pop to keep duran off of him and would have been stopped late.

Tommy Hearns only lost 1 time at WW , and it was after running out of gas against SRL , my opinion is Tommy blows Shane away , for the record i am also a fan of Shane and think he is a top fighter and man.
If my opinion offends you then I'm very sorry Mrs Mosley.

It's a good thing you said "IF", because its obvious that my opinion offended you. You little sensitive bitch.

[Dark Lord Al]

[quote=JonesJrMayweather;766410]

(1) Shane suffered a concussion from the headbutt sustained moments before he was caught with a nice right hand by vernon, and still managed to avoid being stopped. Only been down once in his career, only seriously hurt that one time as well against 50 pro fights with a who's who's of his generation. NEVER BEEN STOPPED.

Hearns stopped by barkley,SRL, and hagler. Knocked down a hand full of times. Yet somehow he would manage to stop SHANE

At 147 Shane puts hearns to sleep late by crowding and over powering him all night. That's the not even prime shane. The shane that fought Oscar in the first fight would destroy any version of hearns.

(2) Bowe who has never been stopped, out fought evander twice. (which probably shortened his career) against tyson who only came to fight when he knew his opponent was beaten before the fight. He lost to everyone from his generation. KO'ed in his prime against douglass. Probably the most overrated heavy of all time. Would lose a UD to Bowe.

as far as the others..

I take JCC over sanchez

and duran over arguello...Alexis didn't have the pop to keep duran off of him and would have been stopped late.

Tommy Hearns only lost 1 time at WW , and it was after running out of gas against SRL , my opinion is Tommy blows Shane away , for the record i am also a fan of Shane and think he is a top fighter and man.
If my opinion offends you then I'm very sorry Mrs Mosley.

It's a good thing you said "IF", because its obvious that my opinion offended you. You little sensitive bitch.[/quote]

" Bitch " is an uncommon use of the English Language to decribe a male .
I live in England but am always interested in the way others use "English"
Is the word " bitch " only used on the trailer park / projects you live in ? or does it have a relevance to "the Oxford English Dictionary " ?
Also I'm glad i did use the word "IF " , because I'm sure the consequences of your retribution would have had a devastating affect , a bit like maybe Tommy Hearns right hand exploding on Shane's jaw ? .

[JonesJrMayweather]

[quote=Dark Lord Al;766420]

Tommy Hearns only lost 1 time at WW , and it was after running out of gas against SRL , my opinion is Tommy blows Shane away , for the record i am also a fan of Shane and think he is a top fighter and man.
If my opinion offends you then I'm very sorry Mrs Mosley.

It's a good thing you said "IF", because its obvious that my opinion offended you. You little sensitive bitch.[/quote]

" Bitch " is an uncommon use of the English Language to decribe a male .
I live in England but am always interested in the way others use "English"
Is the word " bitch " only used on the trailer park / projects you live in ? or does it have a relevance to "the Oxford English Dictionary " ?
Also I'm glad i did use the word "IF " , because I'm sure the consequences of your retribution would have had a devastating affect , a bit like maybe Tommy Hearns right hand exploding on Shane's jaw ? .

You're right it is an uncommon adjective for a man as its mostly reserved men with perhaps too much estrogen in their blood. Such as yourself. Trailer/park projects...that's original.

[Dark Lord Al]

[quote=JonesJrMayweather;766447][quote=Dark Lord Al;766420]

It's a good thing you said "IF", because its obvious that my opinion offended you. You little sensitive bitch.[/quote]

" Bitch " is an uncommon use of the English Language to decribe a male .
I live in England but am always interested in the way others use "English"
Is the word " bitch " only used on the trailer park / projects you live in ? or does it have a relevance to "the Oxford English Dictionary " ?
Also I'm glad i did use the word "IF " , because I'm sure the consequences of your retribution would have had a devastating affect , a bit like maybe Tommy Hearns right hand exploding on Shane's jaw ? .

You're right it is an uncommon adjective for a man as its mostly reserved men with perhaps too much estrogen in their blood. Such as yourself. Trailer/park projects...that's original.[/quote]

Also true .

[El Kabong]

OK guys I have finally gotten around to coming up with some more hypothetical fights that are seemingly 50/50. This list isn't as good as the first, but I felt I had to come up with more than just 1-2 fights

Aaron Pryor - Pernell Whittaker 140: Pryor was a non-stop action fighter, he was always throwing punches and he had a great chin, but Sweet Pea was THE slickest fighter since Willie Pep.

Oscar De la Hoya - Vernon Forrest 147: This fight always intrigued me not only because Forrest had such an easy time with Shane Mosley but also because Oscar and Vernon were on the same Olympic team. I think when Oscar was allowed to load up on his shots a bit more and punches weren't coming back at him in flurries he was more successful. Vernon fought from distance very well and had a dynamic right cross before the shoulder injury.

Floyd Patterson-Bob Foster 175: This fight pits two styles against each other where the outcomes can vary greatly in Foster's favor you can cite Tyson-Douglas & Tyson-Lewis and in Patterson's favor you can look at Tyson-Tucker & Tyson-Biggs or any number of taller fighters. Both Patterson and Foster had great handspeed and power, but their chins left a lot to be desired.

Frank Bruno - Donovan Ruddock: Two big heavy punchers who either didn't know how to act when they were hurt or just lost all sense when they got hurt. Bruno had the big right hand and Rudduck had the left 45 (hook/uppercut hybrid). In their respective primes I think they would have had a back and forth fight because they had the same strengths and the same weaknesses.

[Master]

Aaron Pryor - Pernell Whittaker 140: Pernell PTS
Oscar De la Hoya - Vernon Forrest 147: ODH PTS
Floyd Patterson-Bob Foster 175: Tough - Foster.
Frank Bruno - Donovan Ruddock: Ruddock KO9

[ICB]

OK guys I have finally gotten around to coming up with some more hypothetical fights that are seemingly 50/50. This list isn't as good as the first, but I felt I had to come up with more than just 1-2 fights

Aaron Pryor - Pernell Whittaker 140: Pryor was a non-stop action fighter, he was always throwing punches and he had a great chin, but Sweet Pea was THE slickest fighter since Willie Pep.

Oscar De la Hoya - Vernon Forrest 147: This fight always intrigued me not only because Forrest had such an easy time with Shane Mosley but also because Oscar and Vernon were on the same Olympic team. I think when Oscar was allowed to load up on his shots a bit more and punches weren't coming back at him in flurries he was more successful. Vernon fought from distance very well and had a dynamic right cross before the shoulder injury.

Floyd Patterson-Bob Foster 175: This fight pits two styles against each other where the outcomes can vary greatly in Foster's favor you can cite Tyson-Douglas & Tyson-Lewis and in Patterson's favor you can look at Tyson-Tucker & Tyson-Biggs or any number of taller fighters. Both Patterson and Foster had great handspeed and power, but their chins left a lot to be desired.

Frank Bruno - Donovan Ruddock: Two big heavy punchers who either didn't know how to act when they were hurt or just lost all sense when they got hurt. Bruno had the big right hand and Rudduck had the left 45 (hook/uppercut hybrid). In their respective primes I think they would have had a back and forth fight because they had the same strengths and the same weaknesses.

Aaron Pryor - Pernell Whittaker 140:

Pernell Whitaker by UD he had no trouble with aggressive fighters, and Aaron Pryor almost lost to a slick Southpaw in Gary Hinton. Watch that fight i think thats a good fight to view, on how a fight between Pernell Whitaker/Aaron Pryor would of gone, except Pernell Whitaker would win unlike Gary Hinton.


Oscar De la Hoya - Vernon Forrest 147:

Now suprisingly i like Vernon Forrest in this fight, ODLH did at times struggle against a good jabber, and Vernon Forrest may of had the attributes to pull off a UD. Unless its a BS decision which is probably what would of happened.

Floyd Patterson-Bob Foster 175:

I've seen plenty of Bob Foster, but i have seen very little of Floyd Patterson at 175, so i can't comment.

Frank Bruno - Donovan Ruddock:

Frank Bruno has the tools to outbox Razor Ruddock, but Razor Ruddock has better survival instincts than Frank Bruno. And that would be the difference in the fight. Razor Ruddock may of been outboxed and floored, but in the end his extra mental toughness and survival instincts, would pull through and he would win a TKO round about the 8th round.

[JazMerkin]

Aaron Pryor - Pernell Whittaker 140: I think that Whitaker would just be too tricky for Pryor. Pryor had that great all-action style, but I just think that Pernell would have outboxed him similar to how he did against Chavez, so I think Whitaker comes away with a UD, not a wide one, but comfortable enough.

Oscar De la Hoya - Vernon Forrest 147: I've thought for years that had Oscar fought Forrest, he would have been comfortably beaten. I don't think that Forrest would dominate him, but his jab & cross would have been a problem for Oscar. Although given their respective statuses, I wouldn't be surprised had Oscar come away with a shocking SD victory. But ignoring that, I think Forrest did everything well enough & I think it would have looked similar to the ODLH-B-Hop fight, just without the KO, & Forrest taking the late rounds.

Floyd Patterson-Bob Foster 175: Seen nothing of Patterson at LHW, but enough of Foster & going off that, I think that Foster KO's him in the middle rounds.

Frank Bruno - Donovan Ruddock: I think Bruno was stronger physically, Ruddock mentally, but I suspect that Bruno might have been able to get to him early & after a bit of back & forth, KO him in the 6th or 7th, just before he managed to fold mentally.