Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!

[generalbulldog]

As long the fight is made and at a reasonable weight for both I could care less that it's for some bullshit alphabet belt.

[Rican]

Cotto is being screwed in so "Manny" ways:

1. Manny gets the 65-35 split.
2. Cotto's belt is on the line, even though he has to fight at a catch weight.
3. Cotto was basically extorted by Arum (We will give you the fight against Manny if you sign with us for two more years).
4. Manny even wanted the fight a month earlier, which would not have given Cotto the proper time to heal his cut.

Manny has proven a lot in boxing and deservedly so, but I am beginning to hate his attitude and opinion of himself and his nerve. I hope (and believe) that all of this will motivate Cotto to put a beat down on Manny.

[OumaFan]

Cotto is being screwed in so "Manny" ways:

1. Manny gets the 65-35 split.
2. Cotto's belt is on the line, even though he has to fight at a catch weight.
3. Cotto was basically extorted by Arum (We will give you the fight against Manny if you sign with us for two more years).
4. Manny even wanted the fight a month earlier, which would not have given Cotto the proper time to heal his cut.

Manny has proven a lot in boxing and deservedly so, but I am beginning to hate his attitude and opinion of himself and his nerve. I hope (and believe) that all of this will motivate Cotto to put a beat down on Manny.

Manny deserves much more money as he's the P4P number 1 guy and a much bigger draw. Cotto even at 35 percent is making a big payday, I'm sure his biggest clearly. I don't know about being extorted by Arum but if so him wanting the fight that bad is a sign he's not that unhappy with the split. There is nothing wrong with 65-35.

I don't really like the belt being on the line for a 145 fight. I don't really care as I don't care that much about belts in general but I can see how people would be upset about it.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Cotto is being screwed in so "Manny" ways:

1. Manny gets the 65-35 split.
2. Cotto's belt is on the line, even though he has to fight at a catch weight.
3. Cotto was basically extorted by Arum (We will give you the fight against Manny if you sign with us for two more years).
4. Manny even wanted the fight a month earlier, which would not have given Cotto the proper time to heal his cut.

Manny has proven a lot in boxing and deservedly so, but I am beginning to hate his attitude and opinion of himself and his nerve. I hope (and believe) that all of this will motivate Cotto to put a beat down on Manny.

Manny deserves much more money as he's the P4P number 1 guy and a much bigger draw. Cotto even at 35 percent is making a big payday, I'm sure his biggest clearly. I don't know about being extorted by Arum but if so him wanting the fight that bad is a sign he's not that unhappy with the split. There is nothing wrong with 65-35.

I don't really like the belt being on the line for a 145 fight. I don't really care as I don't care that much about belts in general but I can see how people would be upset about it.

i agree that i think the 65/35 split is fair given the circumstances of the catchweight fight, but by putting the title on the line it'd be a championship fight, and what kind of championship fight is it when the champion has to give up 2 lbs, get paid less, and even give up the venue by going to las vegas instead of MSG or Atlantic City.

if it's a catchweight fight as it is, well i'm all for it, just don't keep giving the challenger all the benefits

[OumaFan]

So it would have been more credible for Manny to fight some flat out bum than a smaller but better fighter in Larios? Not like I cared about the Larios fight but at least he knew vaguely what he was doing. Anyway I don't care, I just found that funny.

As for the second part. The only thing that is odd is the catch weight. Challenger or not the "bigger" fighter is always gonna get the money, venue, etc. And remember when the whole thing was first being brought up it was Cotto who said 145 but nothing less and it ended up being 145. I would have preferred it to be 147 but if Cotto comes out looking fresh the night of the fight I don't see a reason to complain.

I get the anger about the belt, I just don't care. And it really doesn't have anything to do with this fight, its just that I don't care about alphabet belts. Manny's not going to defend it in the traditional sense anyway, LOL he's not going to be taking on Kazahkstani mandatories. Manny and his super fans (me?) will talk about him being an 18 division champ and a lot of people will call BS, in the end I don't care too much.

[ElTerribleMorales]

So it would have been more credible for Manny to fight some flat out bum than a smaller but better fighter in Larios? Not like I cared about the Larios fight but at least he knew vaguely what he was doing. Anyway I don't care, I just found that funny.

As for the second part. The only thing that is odd is the catch weight. Challenger or not the "bigger" fighter is always gonna get the money, venue, etc. And remember when the whole thing was first being brought up it was Cotto who said 145 but nothing less and it ended up being 145. I would have preferred it to be 147 but if Cotto comes out looking fresh the night of the fight I don't see a reason to complain.

I get the anger about the belt, I just don't care. And it really doesn't have anything to do with this fight, its just that I don't care about alphabet belts. Manny's not going to defend it in the traditional sense anyway, LOL he's not going to be taking on Kazahkstani mandatories. Manny and his super fans (me?) will talk about him being an 18 division champ and a lot of people will call BS, in the end I don't care too much.

either way whats the difference from what Pacquiao did with Larios to what Mayweather is doing with Marquez? i mean aside from the fact that Marquez is coming off two sensational KO wins instead of a TKO loss, and is ranked #2 p4p right now

[OumaFan]

I have no idea. I was skimming the posts to be honest.

I don't see much of a problem with Floyd fighting JMM. I don't see what could possibly be the problem with Pacquaio fighting Larios at that point. Not every fight is a super fight, its only when you start stringing together crappy fights that there's a problem, although I don't think he'd bother with a Larios type fight right now.

[JonnyFolds]

Cotto is being screwed in so "Manny" ways:

1. Manny gets the 65-35 split.
2. Cotto's belt is on the line, even though he has to fight at a catch weight.
3. Cotto was basically extorted by Arum (We will give you the fight against Manny if you sign with us for two more years).
4. Manny even wanted the fight a month earlier, which would not have given Cotto the proper time to heal his cut.

Manny has proven a lot in boxing and deservedly so, but I am beginning to hate his attitude and opinion of himself and his nerve. I hope (and believe) that all of this will motivate Cotto to put a beat down on Manny.

All I have to say is.. Cotto could just say, "NO, I don't want the fight. it's not fair." And Manny could find another fight. Why is Cotto is such a rush to fight the little guy anyway?

I don't like the belt thing with the catchweight either.. but seriously. No one can make you fight.

Cotto has till November to get ready. His cut will not be keeping him from fighting/training.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

it will affect your ability to spar.

[CGM]

As long the fight is made and at a reasonable weight for both I could care less that it's for some bullshit alphabet belt.

You have a good point about alphabet belts.

An underappreciated aspect is that Cotto is agreeing to the catchweight, and all that it entails. Is he not? Last I heard, Cotto said he has no problem at all coming in a couple pounds underweight. Something that Cotto fans and opponents of the catchweight neglect to consider. As clubber points out.

I'm with lefty on this one. 145/146/147, no big deal, according to Cotto himself. Come fight time it won't really matter.

Cotto takes a few good shots to the end of his chin and goes down for the count, before the fight is half over.

[ElTerribleMorales]

It is a welterweight fight. By definition, anything over 140 up to 147 is a welterweight fight.

Good so you agree that Cotto can come in at 147.

You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.

it's simple, Manny wants to be a welterweight, fight a real welterweight at welterweight, so many people bitching about Mayweather handpicking opponents, but when you're basically "willing" to take on anyone but have it be at a catchweight like Pacquiao is doing, it's just as bad

[ClubberLang]

Good so you agree that Cotto can come in at 147.

You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.

it's simple, Manny wants to be a welterweight, fight a real welterweight at welterweight, so many people bitching about Mayweather handpicking opponents, but when you're basically "willing" to take on anyone but have it be at a catchweight like Pacquiao is doing, it's just as bad

You're right; it is simple, but your reasons are wrong. It's simple becase 145 IS a welterweight fight and Cotto agreed to do the fight at that maximum weight. He has no problem with it. End of story.

[Gandalf]

You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.

it's simple, Manny wants to be a welterweight, fight a real welterweight at welterweight, so many people bitching about Mayweather handpicking opponents, but when you're basically "willing" to take on anyone but have it be at a catchweight like Pacquiao is doing, it's just as bad

You're right; it is simple, but your reasons are wrong. It's simple becase 145 IS a welterweight fight and Cotto agreed to do the fight at that maximum weight. He has no problem with it. End of story.

The only logical conclusion to this is that the world gets behind Cotto and hope he ends Manny once and for all. Manny is cashing out anyway, he is probably overweight and paying for serfs to serv him grapes and play him videos of the Barrera fights. Little does Manny know that his time is almost numbered and I hope it's as brutal as can be.

[ClubberLang]

it's simple, Manny wants to be a welterweight, fight a real welterweight at welterweight, so many people bitching about Mayweather handpicking opponents, but when you're basically "willing" to take on anyone but have it be at a catchweight like Pacquiao is doing, it's just as bad

You're right; it is simple, but your reasons are wrong. It's simple becase 145 IS a welterweight fight and Cotto agreed to do the fight at that maximum weight. He has no problem with it. End of story.

The only logical conclusion to this is that the world gets behind Cotto and hope he ends Manny once and for all. Manny is cashing out anyway, he is probably overweight and paying for serfs to serv him grapes and play him videos of the Barrera fights. Little does Manny know that his time is almost numbered and I hope it's as brutal as can be.

If the reason people are getting behind Cotto is because the fight is at 145--something Cotto agreed to--then that's pretty ridiculous.