Old Super-Middleweight/Middleweight/Light Middleweight Threads

[DaxxKahn]

I'm all for seeing vacancies filled in a timely manner but dont like the idea of voting in that many fighters.The 10th spot is one thing but 3 is too many I believe.Clearly the division is in flux and I think we should think it through before we just start stuffing guys in as opposed to waiting for actual matches to determine ranks....I would leave at least one spot open.

I personally have no problem with voting for positions, most of the active managers are pretty fair & can put forward a good case for a nominee.

I think Williams' win over Wright was worthy of rating, I also think the winner of the upcoming Macklin/ Barker fight could qualify for another spot. Then someone like Geale could be possible for 10th...

Well mate that is what the vote is for.....Each of our opps are going to vary slightly but for the most part we will get a fair ranking for the fighters.....

I agree though about more managers needing to show up on a regular basis

[Spicoli]

I'm all for seeing vacancies filled in a timely manner but dont like the idea of voting in that many fighters.The 10th spot is one thing but 3 is too many I believe.Clearly the division is in flux and I think we should think it through before we just start stuffing guys in as opposed to waiting for actual matches to determine ranks....I would leave at least one spot open.

I personally have no problem with voting for positions, most of the active managers are pretty fair & can put forward a good case for a nominee.

I think Williams' win over Wright was worthy of rating, I also think the winner of the upcoming Macklin/ Barker fight could qualify for another spot. Then someone like Geale could be possible for 10th...

I'm not trying to swim up a waterfall here and I'm not opposed to nominating a fight prior to it taking place as a vacancy filler.And of course I have no doubt in the managers ability and fairness.

I have just been rethinking the rush to fill all three spots and see no harm in actually having at least one stay open.Let things play out and not construct a ranking spot.Who knows what matchup is in the works,pool members or otherwise that will warrant definite ranking.

BTW My vote is no and am not sure why this poll is closed.Numbers maybe one thing but it is still being discussed and managers putting forth opinion !! Not cool

[JazMerkin]

I'm all for seeing vacancies filled in a timely manner but dont like the idea of voting in that many fighters.The 10th spot is one thing but 3 is too many I believe.Clearly the division is in flux and I think we should think it through before we just start stuffing guys in as opposed to waiting for actual matches to determine ranks....I would leave at least one spot open.

I personally have no problem with voting for positions, most of the active managers are pretty fair & can put forward a good case for a nominee.

I think Williams' win over Wright was worthy of rating, I also think the winner of the upcoming Macklin/ Barker fight could qualify for another spot. Then someone like Geale could be possible for 10th...

I'm not trying to swim up a waterfall here and I'm not opposed to nominating a fight prior to it taking place as a vacancy filler.And of course I have no doubt in the managers ability and fairness.

I have just been rethinking the rush to fill all three spots and see no harm in actually having at least one stay open.Let things play out and not construct a ranking spot.Who knows what matchup is in the works,pool members or otherwise that will warrant definite ranking.

BTW My vote is no and am not sure why this poll is closed.Numbers maybe one thing but it is still being discussed and managers putting forth opinion !! Not cool

All votes are open for 3 days, that was pre-agreed rule, particularly as it makes it a lot easier for Galaxy to do the weekly updates before the next week of fights. I believe that we should fill all vacancies & a vote agreed that so we should stick to it, at least for a bit, rather than doing the same vote a week later. However, 3 vacancies in a weight-class is too much, & considering Williams may well be fighting our #1 next, I can't see the problem with him being there particularly as he beat Winky who for some reason was ranked at 154 despite not having fought there in 5 years rather than 160 where he's been for all but 1 fight since.

[Galaxy]

Like Jaz said, all polls will last for 3 days, but even with Spicoli's vote it would be 4 to 2 for Williams filling #8... so he's in!

As for filling vacancies; that was also approved by a vote, so we should stick with it for awhile at least & trial it

I remember Spicoli bringing up the idea of voting to fill the heavyweight spots as he thought having Haye ranked & Arreola in the pool looked a little strange... at least with a vote to fill spots we get fighters ranked who the majority of managers agree with

[Spicoli]

Like Jaz said, all polls will last for 3 days, but even with Spicoli's vote it would be 4 to 2 for Williams filling #8... so he's in!

As for filling vacancies; that was also approved by a vote, so we should stick with it for awhile at least & trial it

I remember Spicoli bringing up the idea of voting to fill the heavyweight spots as he thought having Haye ranked & Arreola in the pool looked a little strange... at least with a vote to fill spots we get fighters ranked who the majority of managers agree with

Understood on the time frame for polls but discussion never hurt anything.I had not voted yet because the idea of Williams in the top ten was not all that bad,just not a vote for an 8th spot in hindsight for a fight that had already happened.Would we have aforded Wright the same placement? I am for filling vancancies but with three in any division,I feel we need to let things sort out,wait and see what big fights may be made at least for a while and leave at least one open?Was it 6 months on a vacant spot?

[Galaxy]

Like Jaz said, all polls will last for 3 days, but even with Spicoli's vote it would be 4 to 2 for Williams filling #8... so he's in!

As for filling vacancies; that was also approved by a vote, so we should stick with it for awhile at least & trial it

I remember Spicoli bringing up the idea of voting to fill the heavyweight spots as he thought having Haye ranked & Arreola in the pool looked a little strange... at least with a vote to fill spots we get fighters ranked who the majority of managers agree with

Understood on the time frame for polls but discussion never hurt anything.I had not voted yet because the idea of Williams in the top ten was not all that bad,just not a vote for an 8th spot in hindsight for a fight that had already happened.Would we have aforded Wright the same placement? I am for filling vancancies but with three in any division,I feel we need to let things sort out,wait and see what big fights may be made at least for a while and leave at least one open?Was it 6 months on a vacant spot?

Don't remember deciding on a time frame for vacant spots? I remember something about 6 months for pool members...

With the way fighters earn their ranks they have to beat those ahead of them, so essentially those ranked lower will be pushed down anyway

On your question about giving Wright the same placement... if Wright had beat Williams & we just voted as we did I think I would have voted for Wright to fill the vacancy

If it makes you feel better we can include an option in the future votes for vacancies to leave it vacant, that way you can have your say if that's how you feel?

[Spicoli]

We have discussions of a very possible Pavlik vs. Williams fight.....why force a vote on the past wright fight as opposed to Williams fighting his way in against the top ranked Middle guy?

Where is the manager of the division?Would like to see Tams input on filling these spots.

I would propose that in the future all vacant spots are left open for a minimal amount of time prior to a vote on an upcoming fight to fill a vacant spot.Leaves room for natural flexibility...think Darwin .Bud...I think its the number of spots and hindsight voting that are getting me.Just seems, with much respect,manufactured a bit.Not trying to break balls here and dont want to get bogged down.Just voicing opinion.

[Galaxy]

We have discussions of a very possible Pavlik vs. Williams fight.....why force a vote on the past wright fight as opposed to Williams fighting his way in against the top ranked Middle guy?

Where is the manager of the division?Would like to see Tams input on filling these spots.

I would propose that in the future all vacant spots are left open for a minimal amount of time prior to a vote on an upcoming fight to fill a vacant spot.Leaves room for natural flexibility...think Darwin .Bud...I think its the number of spots and hindsight voting that are getting me.Just seems, with much respect,manufactured a bit.Not trying to break balls here and dont want to get bogged down.Just voicing opinion.

Where oh where could little Tam be? At this point I don't think his input is very valid as he has been very inactive.

The thing with waiting for the result of Pavlik/ Williams is that if Williams loses he probably gets removed from the pool... right? Whereas if he enters the fight as our number 8 guy he has the opportunity the be demoted with a lose & still possible be ranked.

imo 8 is a very fair entry for Williams... The Ring has him at 5!

I remember we did the same thing Antillon for the 10th spot at 135 at the time based on his 2 previous fights at lightweight that had already happened... do I sense some favoritism? Or is your boy Urbano exempt?

If you like put up a poll to see if other members feel we should have a time limit before voting to fill vacancies. But I feel filling the vacancies as soon as they become vacant is the best way to go, it gives us a complete top 10, based on the majority of the active managers opinions & creates opportunities for guys fighting those we voted in to win/ earn ranking...

[Galaxy]

This poll has now closed

We have a drawn vote

Vanes Martirosyan recieved 3 votes worth 3 points

Jamie Moore recieved 2 votes (Plus Jaz' bonus point as manager) worth 3 points


Jaz its your call... who gets the vacant spot?

[JazMerkin]

Sorry man, but I'm gonna have to stick with my original vote of Moore, although I do feel bad about it given voting numbers, as I just feel Martirosyan hasn't been beating fighters of the same quality. Moore also appears to be fighting Sergio Martinez in September so looks the most likely to be stepping up to world level soon.

[Spicoli]

We have discussions of a very possible Pavlik vs. Williams fight.....why force a vote on the past wright fight as opposed to Williams fighting his way in against the top ranked Middle guy?

Where is the manager of the division?Would like to see Tams input on filling these spots.

I would propose that in the future all vacant spots are left open for a minimal amount of time prior to a vote on an upcoming fight to fill a vacant spot.Leaves room for natural flexibility...think Darwin .Bud...I think its the number of spots and hindsight voting that are getting me.Just seems, with much respect,manufactured a bit.Not trying to break balls here and dont want to get bogged down.Just voicing opinion.

Where oh where could little Tam be? At this point I don't think his input is very valid as he has been very inactive.

The thing with waiting for the result of Pavlik/ Williams is that if Williams loses he probably gets removed from the pool... right? Whereas if he enters the fight as our number 8 guy he has the opportunity the be demoted with a lose & still possible be ranked.

imo 8 is a very fair entry for Williams... The Ring has him at 5!

I remember we did the same thing Antillon for the 10th spot at 135 at the time based on his 2 previous fights at lightweight that had already happened... do I sense some favoritism? Or is your boy Urbano exempt?

If you like put up a poll to see if other members feel we should have a time limit before voting to fill vacancies. But I feel filling the vacancies as soon as they become vacant is the best way to go, it gives us a complete top 10, based on the majority of the active managers opinions & creates opportunities for guys fighting those we voted in to win/ earn ranking...

Mate.The votes done and we are just spinning our wheels here and bogging it down.I just dont understand the reasoning and moving on Williams in that first part above?.I'm not particularly concerned with where I can still rank a guy should he lose?.....and a loss does not mean auomatic expulsion from the pool does it? Vote in at 10 is one thing but higher can be massaged.

I do my best to stay away from favoritism,it does not play hear but I'm not perfect & do believe Antillon merits ranking as hes campaigned there a few recently and spot was vacant at the time he won.Williams jumped to 160 pool off Wright win already?Can we propel a guy twice off same win really.

Anyway bud.No harm either way and just stuck on it.Cheers all is with respect Galaxy.Just hashing it out and letting it go.Guess this is all part of the system being molded into shape.cheers

[Galaxy]

Its all good Spicoli, I don't feel we're bogging it down, its good to discuss these things. I'm just trying to give the other side of the argument. There were 3 vacancies at 160, which is to many imo & to be honest I don't think anyone in the pool or in a possible upcoming fight is better than Williams, unless they beat him. Lorenzo, Griffin, Geale... Williams would have to be a strong favorite over them.

Although a loss does not necessarily mean removal from the pool, it usually does end up that way. Say if Williams loses to Pavlik in a close controversial fight he could remain at 8th, if its clear cut he could be dropped to 9th or 10th depending on a vote, if its a blowout he could drop back to the pool with a 3 point demotion.

I'm not saying I voted him in just because it gives us more options if he loses, I think he is the best choice to fill the position & if you can name one guy or upcoming fight that would elevate them above Williams I'd be willing to listen. But the fact is we have 3 vacant spots & Williams a p4pr is the best fighter imo to fill one of them...

I know you don't play favs bro, was just trying to show another example of where fights that had already happened had been used to fill a vacancy. I agree Antillon should be ranked.

The rule of filling vacancies was changed just recently by a vote, but can still use some tweaks. Like I said before; when voting to fill vacancies we should include the option to leave the spot vacant along with those nominated.

Mad respect Spicoli, your one of the guys that make this place so good!

[Galaxy]

Sorry man, but I'm gonna have to stick with my original vote of Moore, although I do feel bad about it given voting numbers, as I just feel Martirosyan hasn't been beating fighters of the same quality. Moore also appears to be fighting Sergio Martinez in September so looks the most likely to be stepping up to world level soon.

That's your right as a manager mate, I've posted this weeks update

[killersheep]

Sorry man, but I'm gonna have to stick with my original vote of Moore, although I do feel bad about it given voting numbers, as I just feel Martirosyan hasn't been beating fighters of the same quality. Moore also appears to be fighting Sergio Martinez in September so looks the most likely to be stepping up to world level soon.

No need to apologize man, it's all good.

[Galaxy]

With the tragic death of Vernon Forrest the #10 position is vacant again

So who should it be?

DeAndre Latimore
Alfredo Angulo
Carlos Quintana
Vanes Martirosyan
David Lopez