Looks like Haye Vitali is off and its Haye v Valuev

[bzkfn]

What's Sam Peter doing these days? I'd think that would be a decent fight and give Haye at least more rspectability if he wins. Sam retired now or something

Sam isn't retired, I think he's trying to get his life back in order, he's fighting this weekend vs Marcus McGee.

Sam Peter is 28, he's got a lot of youth left in him if he can change his style and rededicate himself he can be competitive with the top rated contenders. I don't think that is out of the question, but he has to be 100% about getting better, he has to improve his defense, his handspeed, and he has to be dedicated to winning.

I want to see how he would do against Andrew Golota or Ray Austin before I make up my mind.

David Haye is a joke

Lyle, when we had a conversation about Haye a while ago, you told me he didn't deserve a shot at the Klitschko's. When I questioned you if you would feel better about him getting a title shot if he fought against Valuev or Chagaev first, you said you would. So now that he's done what you would have preferred him to do, why are you using the fact that he doesn't want to be tied to a 3 fight Klitschko deal for shitty money as a way of saying he's scared. Who in their right mind would want shitty money for the first fight, then if you won and became champion, still take the shitty money in the rematch...and then the shitty money against the brother?

So I'll flip it and ask you this question...

If the Klitschko's are so confident of giving Haye a beating for 12 rounds leaving him with a pizza face, then why do they have a rematch clause, and a clause saying if he wins the rematch that he has to fight the brother?

All that suggests right there is that the Klitschko's believe there is a serious chance of David Haye winning.

[sonny78]

What's Sam Peter doing these days? I'd think that would be a decent fight and give Haye at least more rspectability if he wins. Sam retired now or something

Sam isn't retired, I think he's trying to get his life back in order, he's fighting this weekend vs Marcus McGee.

Sam Peter is 28, he's got a lot of youth left in him if he can change his style and rededicate himself he can be competitive with the top rated contenders. I don't think that is out of the question, but he has to be 100% about getting better, he has to improve his defense, his handspeed, and he has to be dedicated to winning.

I want to see how he would do against Andrew Golota or Ray Austin before I make up my mind.

David Haye is a joke

Lyle, when we had a conversation about Haye a while ago, you told me he didn't deserve a shot at the Klitschko's. When I questioned you if you would feel better about him getting a title shot if he fought against Valuev or Chagaev first, you said you would. So now that he's done what you would have preferred him to do, why are you using the fact that he doesn't want to be tied to a 3 fight Klitschko deal for shitty money as a way of saying he's scared. Who in their right mind would want shitty money for the first fight, then if you won and became champion, still take the shitty money in the rematch...and then the shitty money against the brother?

So I'll flip it and ask you this question...

If the Klitschko's are so confident of giving Haye a beating for 12 rounds leaving him with a pizza face, then why do they have a rematch clause, and a clause saying if he wins the rematch that he has to fight the brother?

All that suggests right there is that the Klitschko's believe there is a serious chance of David Haye winning.

The contract he had signed to fight Wlad is the same contract they gave him with Vitalis name on it was ok before the "back injury" what changed !!

any heavyweight has a chance of beating any other but you have to get in the ring to fight first

Hayes inactivity is a joke didn't he say he was going to clean up the division

[El Kabong]

Lyle, when we had a conversation about Haye a while ago, you told me he didn't deserve a shot at the Klitschko's. When I questioned you if you would feel better about him getting a title shot if he fought against Valuev or Chagaev first, you said you would. So now that he's done what you would have preferred him to do, why are you using the fact that he doesn't want to be tied to a 3 fight Klitschko deal for shitty money as a way of saying he's scared. Who in their right mind would want shitty money for the first fight, then if you won and became champion, still take the shitty money in the rematch...and then the shitty money against the brother?

So I'll flip it and ask you this question...

If the Klitschko's are so confident of giving Haye a beating for 12 rounds leaving him with a pizza face, then why do they have a rematch clause, and a clause saying if he wins the rematch that he has to fight the brother?

All that suggests right there is that the Klitschko's believe there is a serious chance of David Haye winning.

Well to be honest yes I did say exactly what you posted about Haye not deserving a title shot or a fight with Wlad or Vitali. HOWEVER the way David Haye went about getting this shot at Valuev was not very professional.

Also rematch clauses are common place Lennox Lewis-Hasim Rahman springs to mind as a fight that had a rematch clause....was Lennox scared of Rahman or was he just making a solid fight contract


Listen, you can try and spin David Haye any way you want to, it's not going to change the FACT that all he has done for the last 8 months is run his fucking mouth like a little punk

[bzkfn]

Lyle, when we had a conversation about Haye a while ago, you told me he didn't deserve a shot at the Klitschko's. When I questioned you if you would feel better about him getting a title shot if he fought against Valuev or Chagaev first, you said you would. So now that he's done what you would have preferred him to do, why are you using the fact that he doesn't want to be tied to a 3 fight Klitschko deal for shitty money as a way of saying he's scared. Who in their right mind would want shitty money for the first fight, then if you won and became champion, still take the shitty money in the rematch...and then the shitty money against the brother?

So I'll flip it and ask you this question...

If the Klitschko's are so confident of giving Haye a beating for 12 rounds leaving him with a pizza face, then why do they have a rematch clause, and a clause saying if he wins the rematch that he has to fight the brother?

All that suggests right there is that the Klitschko's believe there is a serious chance of David Haye winning.

Well to be honest yes I did say exactly what you posted about Haye not deserving a title shot or a fight with Wlad or Vitali. HOWEVER the way David Haye went about getting this shot at Valuev was not very professional.

Also rematch clauses are common place Lennox Lewis-Hasim Rahman springs to mind as a fight that had a rematch clause....was Lennox scared of Rahman or was he just making a solid fight contract


Listen, you can try and spin David Haye any way you want to, it's not going to change the FACT that all he has done for the last 8 months is run his fucking mouth like a little punk

I see where you are coming from with Haye. He is a loud mouth. He does come off sounding like a cocky arsehole who runs his mouth. He hasn't fought for 8 months. He has done alot of talking about the Klitschko's and hasn't backed it up yet.

And yes...while rematch clauses are common practice, I think 2 suggests they're worried. If you beat 1 brother twice, you have to fight the other next. C'mon? If Wlad was so sure Haye was getting a beating for 12 rounds and a Pizza face, then why does he need a big big brother clause in the contract?

Sonny78, the financial benefits of the Wlad contract would have been better. Reason for this is that Haye had the British TV rights and pretty much nothing else. However, Setanta were paying mega money to outbid Sky for boxing, and they would have paid well. However, they're now out of business and since ITV are pulling out of Boxing, the only TV company that are willing to pay out for Boxing in the UK now is Sky. Since they have no competition, there is no bidding war, so they won't be paying the same amount that Setanta were, hence why Haye probably said he was not signing that deal again.

If Haye beats Valuev and becomes WBA Champion, he has much better bargaining power with the Klitschko's. It's the smart thing to do from a business point of view.

[El Kabong]

....providing the Klitschko's will still want to deal with him after his amateur antics.

I wonder about a couple of things regarding Haye.

#1 What is Steve Bunce spewing about him after this sorry ass exhibition?

#2 How will Haye take Valuev's punches...he doesn't hit extremely hard, but I think he hits harder than Carl Thompson or Jean Marc Mormeck also he's 320+ pounds and when he lands it'll be interesting to say the least.

[ono]

What a stupid career move by Haye. That's all i can say really. Makes no sense. He'd be better fighting Peter or someone who is a decent name but isn't 7"2 and 8 stone heavier.

[El Kabong]

What a stupid career move by Haye. That's all i can say really. Makes no sense. He'd be better fighting Peter or someone who is a decent name but isn't 7"2 and 8 stone heavier.

....yeah I just forced my way through a Bunce podcast and that's what they were rambling on about, that and they called Nicolay Valuev a "World Class Boxer". They can talk nonstop trash about the Klitschko's specifically and the heavyweight division in general and then spout off that shit....how do they not burst out laughing even thinking about saying that bullshit?

David Haye and Adam Booth just don't know what the fuck they are doing. They are jumping into bed with Sauerland/Don King Promotions and they expect they are going to get a better deal than what Bonte and Finkle were going to give them?!?! Steve Bunce is just a fucking twit who is carrying the water for David Haye, he's the ultimate fanboy.

[DaxxKahn]

What a stupid career move by Haye. That's all i can say really. Makes no sense. He'd be better fighting Peter or someone who is a decent name but isn't 7"2 and 8 stone heavier.

....yeah I just forced my way through a Bunce podcast and that's what they were rambling on about, that and they called Nicolay Valuev a "World Class Boxer". They can talk nonstop trash about the Klitschko's specifically and the heavyweight division in general and then spout off that shit....how do they not burst out laughing even thinking about saying that bullshit?

David Haye and Adam Booth just don't know what the fuck they are doing. They are jumping into bed with Sauerland/Don King Promotions and they expect they are going to get a better deal than what Bonte and Finkle were going to give them?!?! Steve Bunce is just a fucking twit who is carrying the water for David Haye, he's the ultimate fanboy.

agreed on all accounts

[Spicoli]

Hope the networks frown on this and think twice about rolling out the red carpet for the Tin-Man.Wlad fight was signed,promoted and all set....dont by the 'back injury' for a second.Very unprofessional and a slap to his fans.......I was neutral on him prior but now I hope the man Mammoth Valuev drives him like a shiny nail.

[El Kabong]

....oh come come Spicoli, wouldn't you love to see the HBO announcers talk Haye up big time only to have that huge hairy joke of a fighter know the crap out of Haye.

I for one would love to hear the post fight press conference, I figure it might go something like this.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj_4VgkRvPI

[skel1983]

....providing the Klitschko's will still want to deal with him after his amateur antics.

I wonder about a couple of things regarding Haye.

#1 What is Steve Bunce spewing about him after this sorry ass exhibition?

#2 How will Haye take Valuev's punches...he doesn't hit extremely hard, but I think he hits harder than Carl Thompson or Jean Marc Mormeck also he's 320+ pounds and when he lands it'll be interesting to say the least.

Barrett also hits harder then Mormeck and Thompson.

[El Kabong]

Barrett also hits harder then Mormeck and Thompson.

And Haye got dropped by him too