Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!

[killersheep]

this is bullshit, if Manny wants a title as a welterweight it better be at welterweight, i was fine with the catchweight bullshit as long as the title was left out, i thought it was bullshit when Leonard did it, think it's bullshit now, hope Pacquiao gets ko'd brutally

It is a welterweight fight. By definition, anything over 140 up to 147 is a welterweight fight.

Good so you agree that Cotto can come in at 147.

[ClubberLang]

this is bullshit, if Manny wants a title as a welterweight it better be at welterweight, i was fine with the catchweight bullshit as long as the title was left out, i thought it was bullshit when Leonard did it, think it's bullshit now, hope Pacquiao gets ko'd brutally

It is a welterweight fight. By definition, anything over 140 up to 147 is a welterweight fight.

Good so you agree that Cotto can come in at 147.

You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.

[Gandalf]

It is a welterweight fight. By definition, anything over 140 up to 147 is a welterweight fight.

Good so you agree that Cotto can come in at 147.

You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.

But Manny has issues with fighting at 147 which automatically devalues this fight. No matter who wins IMO.

This is not for the WW crown whatsoever, despite what we are being fed here. Manny is too chicken to fight for that kind of thing.

[ClubberLang]

Good so you agree that Cotto can come in at 147.

You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.

But Manny has issues with fighting at 147 which automatically devalues this fight. No matter who wins IMO.

This is not for the WW crown whatsoever, despite what we are being fed here. Manny is too chicken to fight for that kind of thing.

Too chicken?!! You guys are unreal. Manny started at 112 and hopped up from 135 to take a fight with De La Hoya, a fight most people said he would get killed in. He is also moving up again to fight Cotto, a fight that would have been laughed at a year ago. To the poster who said it was no different than Mayweather, BS. Mayweather makes smaller men come up to him. Manny is going up to meet the bigger guys. To call him chicken is just flat out stupid.

[killersheep]

It is a welterweight fight. By definition, anything over 140 up to 147 is a welterweight fight.

Good so you agree that Cotto can come in at 147.

You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.

Hey Cotto and PAC can negotiate and fight at whatever weight they agree to that's fine, that's not the problem I have with this. MY problem is that this is for a title. It is not up to PAC and Cotto to determine what the welterweight limit is. If it's going to be for a welterweight title Cotto should be able to come in at the WW limit. Everything else the purse split, and all other negotiations, I could care less about. It should be a great fight and entertaining, but it shouldn't be a title fight. If PAC wins it's not like he's going to defend the title anyway.

[ClubberLang]

Good so you agree that Cotto can come in at 147.

You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.

Hey Cotto and PAC can negotiate and fight at whatever weight they agree to that's fine, that's not the problem I have with this. MY problem is that this is for a title. It is not up to PAC and Cotto to determine what the welterweight limit is. If it's going to be for a welterweight title Cotto should be able to come in at the WW limit. Everything else the purse split, and all other negotiations, I could care less about. It should be a great fight and entertaining, but it shouldn't be a title fight. If PAC wins it's not like he's going to defend the title anyway.

The weight limit is NOT what makes this a welterweight fight. It is a welterweight fight because it is a fight over 140 and below 147. That is the definition of a welterweight fight. Period. That means the belt being at stake is perfectly legit. And, yeah, Pac may not defend it but it is a big deal because if he wins he's the first 7 division champion.

[killersheep]

You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.

Hey Cotto and PAC can negotiate and fight at whatever weight they agree to that's fine, that's not the problem I have with this. MY problem is that this is for a title. It is not up to PAC and Cotto to determine what the welterweight limit is. If it's going to be for a welterweight title Cotto should be able to come in at the WW limit. Everything else the purse split, and all other negotiations, I could care less about. It should be a great fight and entertaining, but it shouldn't be a title fight. If PAC wins it's not like he's going to defend the title anyway.

The weight limit is NOT what makes this a welterweight fight. It is a welterweight fight because it is a fight over 140 and below 147. That is the definition of a welterweight fight. Period. That means the belt being at stake is perfectly legit. And, yeah, Pac may not defend it but it is a big deal because if he wins he's the first 7 division champion.

Right but in this case because contracts are signed the Welterweight limit is between 140 and 145 is that correct? BY DEFINITION because they are not adhering to the welterweight limits it is a CATCHWEIGHT fight.

[ClubberLang]

Hey Cotto and PAC can negotiate and fight at whatever weight they agree to that's fine, that's not the problem I have with this. MY problem is that this is for a title. It is not up to PAC and Cotto to determine what the welterweight limit is. If it's going to be for a welterweight title Cotto should be able to come in at the WW limit. Everything else the purse split, and all other negotiations, I could care less about. It should be a great fight and entertaining, but it shouldn't be a title fight. If PAC wins it's not like he's going to defend the title anyway.

The weight limit is NOT what makes this a welterweight fight. It is a welterweight fight because it is a fight over 140 and below 147. That is the definition of a welterweight fight. Period. That means the belt being at stake is perfectly legit. And, yeah, Pac may not defend it but it is a big deal because if he wins he's the first 7 division champion.

Right but in this case because contracts are signed the Welterweight limit is between 140 and 145 is that correct? BY DEFINITION because they are not adhering to the welterweight limits it is a CATCHWEIGHT fight.

It's both a catchweight fight AND a welterweight fight. It falls within the welterweight limit with the maximum weight allowed moved down two pounds. But it still qualifies as a welterweight fight because it's below 147 and above 140. And remember, Cotto weighed 146 against Clottey so I really don't see one more pound as a big deal. Cotto agreed to it and has made clear he doesn't see it as an issue, so I don't know why anyone else should.

[killersheep]

The weight limit is NOT what makes this a welterweight fight. It is a welterweight fight because it is a fight over 140 and below 147. That is the definition of a welterweight fight. Period. That means the belt being at stake is perfectly legit. And, yeah, Pac may not defend it but it is a big deal because if he wins he's the first 7 division champion.

Right but in this case because contracts are signed the Welterweight limit is between 140 and 145 is that correct? BY DEFINITION because they are not adhering to the welterweight limits it is a CATCHWEIGHT fight.

It's both a catchweight fight AND a welterweight fight. It falls within the welterweight limit with the maximum weight allowed moved down two pounds. But it still qualifies as a welterweight fight because it's below 147 and above 140. And remember, Cotto weighed 146 against Clottey so I really don't see one more pound as a big deal. Cotto agreed to it and has made clear he doesn't see it as an issue, so I don't know why anyone else should.

Sorry man that statement doesn't make sense.

[KKisser]

although i heard of late that it's not going to be for any title, whether true or not i say screw the belt,let's just have a good fight.

[ono]

Who gives a fuck. They are fighting eachother. Cotto coming in at 145 will make almost zero difference. It makes roughly the same difference as Pac fighting somebody naturally so much bigger does.

All those calling Pac a pussy etc need to give their heads a wobble.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Good so you agree that Cotto can come in at 147.

You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.

Hey Cotto and PAC can negotiate and fight at whatever weight they agree to that's fine, that's not the problem I have with this. MY problem is that this is for a title. It is not up to PAC and Cotto to determine what the welterweight limit is. If it's going to be for a welterweight title Cotto should be able to come in at the WW limit. Everything else the purse split, and all other negotiations, I could care less about. It should be a great fight and entertaining, but it shouldn't be a title fight. If PAC wins it's not like he's going to defend the title anyway.

that's the main thing that pisses me off, if Manny actually wins the title what is gonna do? call for bullshit catchweights for every fucking title defense? he needs to man up and fight a full fledged welter who's able to make the limit especially when that full fledged welterweight is champion

[ClubberLang]

You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.

Hey Cotto and PAC can negotiate and fight at whatever weight they agree to that's fine, that's not the problem I have with this. MY problem is that this is for a title. It is not up to PAC and Cotto to determine what the welterweight limit is. If it's going to be for a welterweight title Cotto should be able to come in at the WW limit. Everything else the purse split, and all other negotiations, I could care less about. It should be a great fight and entertaining, but it shouldn't be a title fight. If PAC wins it's not like he's going to defend the title anyway.

that's the main thing that pisses me off, if Manny actually wins the title what is gonna do? call for bullshit catchweights for every fucking title defense? he needs to man up and fight a full fledged welter who's able to make the limit especially when that full fledged welterweight is champion

If future opponents agree to the catchweight then why the hell should anyone care? Nobody has to agree to that, it isn't like they have a gun to their head. It's not like he's Mayweather making small guys come up to him. Manny is still going up to the bigger guys even if it is a catchweight.

[JazMerkin]

Hey Cotto and PAC can negotiate and fight at whatever weight they agree to that's fine, that's not the problem I have with this. MY problem is that this is for a title. It is not up to PAC and Cotto to determine what the welterweight limit is. If it's going to be for a welterweight title Cotto should be able to come in at the WW limit. Everything else the purse split, and all other negotiations, I could care less about. It should be a great fight and entertaining, but it shouldn't be a title fight. If PAC wins it's not like he's going to defend the title anyway.

that's the main thing that pisses me off, if Manny actually wins the title what is gonna do? call for bullshit catchweights for every fucking title defense? he needs to man up and fight a full fledged welter who's able to make the limit especially when that full fledged welterweight is champion

If future opponents agree to the catchweight then why the hell should anyone care? Nobody has to agree to that, it isn't like they have a gun to their head. It's not like he's Mayweather making small guys come up to him. Manny is still going up to the bigger guys even if it is a catchweight.

Sorry, but name me when Mayweather did this. The only possible name you could throw up is Ricky Hatton who chased the fight. The same Ricky Hatton who was already a world champ at 147. You simply can't name another 'small guy' who he's made come up to him.

[ClubberLang]

that's the main thing that pisses me off, if Manny actually wins the title what is gonna do? call for bullshit catchweights for every fucking title defense? he needs to man up and fight a full fledged welter who's able to make the limit especially when that full fledged welterweight is champion

If future opponents agree to the catchweight then why the hell should anyone care? Nobody has to agree to that, it isn't like they have a gun to their head. It's not like he's Mayweather making small guys come up to him. Manny is still going up to the bigger guys even if it is a catchweight.

Sorry, but name me when Mayweather did this. The only possible name you could throw up is Ricky Hatton who chased the fight. The same Ricky Hatton who was already a world champ at 147. You simply can't name another 'small guy' who he's made come up to him.

Last I checked Marquez fought last at 135 and is coming up to 144 for the fight. That's making a small guy come to you.