Charlie Zelenoff

[Nameless]

lol where is TM? I miss him.

That last Chuckles vid match posted is hahaha. Nothing like watching him break his own stuff showing us what he got and telling it like it is.

He won't write for a while I think in order to be forgotten, he's not writing in the punkrock group I belong to neither because peoples unveiled his fraud and forced him to the wall where he could never back his talk. Last thing, he said that I was a hater because I did post a link of that forum on a friend's page and he was extremely furious. He did that strategy 2-3 times before on the punk forum too, he stops to write when peoples pick on him and corner him about his insanity and then go away for a while.
It is sad that I didn't find one specific topic, that's where (the first time) I kicked in because he claimed I knew nothing in boxing and that he was the best trainer in V.A and he was defending himself talking about medieval fights he made, karate experiences... well, nothing related to boxing.

CGH: WIll post some of his insanities in a few, just by curiosity, what was he saying, more or less, in the mail he sent you?

[Nameless]

Ok, I explain you how it works: At the very bottom, you'll find the first mail Paul sent to me then what I wrote back, The last couple of messages between the "****" are the 5 last emails he sent me individually in a flurry within 10 minutes. Seriously, even Castro would be jealous of the number of plots against him and how everybody from the opposite coach, the judges, the promoter and the hired cornermen were all against him. And he insults me galore because he's cool like that and because he knows that much that I don't. Hehe, have fun, I answered every mail he sent me but he didn't read them for a while (I could see it by the "sent" status) and a few days later, it was all deleted and he never answered back because he was cornered and didn't have nothing to answer me back. ENjoy and have fun seeing how everybody was against him once again)


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Who the fuck do you think is the source for one of your "sources" its Roger Mayweather you fucking idiot.
Want to guess who he trains?
If you said Lorissa Rivas,you might actually start to be getting a fucking clue
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Since Im pissed now,the whole reason I didnt have her fucking corner set the way I wanted,was somebody stole my cornermans passport,and I have no idea how it is in Canada or Europe,but it takes weeks that we didnt have to get one for him here in the US,even expedited.
The Mayweathers and the bookies paid to have the fight thrown you fuck nut
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Oh yeah you fucking moron,did you know the local bookies had all their money on Lorissa? That Leslie had even been introduced to them? Or that she was moving and throwing punches when her corner ENTERED THE FUCKING RING.
I had to hire a Trinidad corner and they threw the fucking fight jackwad,so go fuck yourself
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Fuck you Mathieu,thats this states version of amateurs,and that was a former champ she beat,and then she beat the last years former champ the next night,and your sources can suck my dick too,she had a bloody nose and her corner went in to the ring
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BTW she's a 38 year old woman,and I garuntee she'd put your ass through the canvas
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Fuck you Mathieu,thats this states version of amateurs,and that was a former champ she beat,and then she beat the last years former champ the next night,and your sources can suck my dick too,she had a bloody nose and her corner went in to the ring

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Nameless
To: Rev. Paul
Date: May 30, 2009 4:20 PM
Subject: RE: Why Did You


-Martial has nothing to do with boxing (which you've never been ablack belt or something like that, anyway for the " recognition")
-Tough man champion = nothing to do with boxing either, LEslie deserves credit for winning it but the girl she fought against was even of a worst fighter than her. When she arrived in boxing world, we've seen what happens to toughman who don't know how to fight (and please, don't play the disc that leslie got rob or something in her last match, I have 3-4 different sources that attest that the corner had to stop it because she was getting mashed, I even had the audio link before it got deleteD)
-YOu can have put a glove one or two times 31 years ago, that doesn't make of you a trainer like Ben is, for example.

And no, you don't need ego to be a good sport or a good rookie, ou need talent and devotion, not to deny facts and modify stuff.
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Rev. Paul
To: Nameless
Date: May 30, 2009 8:28 PM
Subject: RE: Why Did You


Ive allready turned out a Toughman Champion,and a Rough And Rowdy Champion
I took my first boxing lesson 31 years ago
Ive won golds and trophies in the martial arts
In the SCA I went 2 years never placing lower then the quarter finals
I think I know what Im doing
And Im the only one who's helping Andrew,nobody else gives a shit about him.
If you think Im egotistical,your god damned right I am,Ive taken a sucker punch with a chain thats left a permanant gouge in my head,and I chased the guy,in this sport if you dont have an ego,your a dead man.
You dont have to like it,but tough shit,all of the above is true

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Nameless
To: Rev. Paul
Date: May 30, 2009 1:58 PM
Subject: RE: Why Did You


that's exactly what I say: Make some safe matchmaking to make sure he gets normal opponent but find him a real professional trainer that knows business for a long time and will adequately correct his flaws. Just as I said, matchmaking makes sense in your case, being a professional trainer, not. Or not yet, at least.

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Rev. Paul
To: Nameless
Date: May 30, 2009 6:10 PM
Subject: RE: Why Did You


Mathieu,Im trying to do what noone has ever attempted to do,Im trying to protect him.For all of those fights before McClure he didnt even have any training whatsoever,he was getting paid maximum 200 bucks,and he was getting tossed in with guys he didnt have a holy hope in hell of beating.
He was going to keep fighting anyway,at least now he's got someone covering his back
And he did beat McClure,the judged that made it a mixed,wasnt even in his seat for a round and a half,Ive got tape to prove it.

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Nameless
To: Rev. Paul
Date: May 30, 2009 8:01 AM
Subject: RE: Why Did You


I never assumed you made money off his back, that never. The fact is: even making it 4 rounds against that opponent, Andrew won only 2 matches, on it, one by disqualification. Second, perhaps he got robbed to McClure, I've seen the video and I could agree with it. STILL... McClure has only one win... against Andrew (where Andrew should have possibly won) and got a technical knock out in every match except one where he lost by major decision and the one he won against Andrew. There is not much merit to make it pass 4 rounds against that guy.
You're a good guy, Paul, but you have one very bad drawback which is scary: you let your ego blind you. I know easily as many things about boxing as you, the only difference is that no matter how much I love boxing, I know deep inside that I am not ready at all to train professinally somebody and put their life on the line. You do seem to think you do, that part scares me. Matchmaking? That's another thing, less dangerous, that you probably can do but if you care about Leslie and Andrew's life, I would let real professional run their training and stuff and I would take care about finding them well caliber opponents.
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Rev. Paul
To: Nameless
Date: May 30, 2009 8:33 AM
Subject: RE: Why Did You


I truly hate to break it to you,Ive made .000 cents off of Andrew,Ive been doing this as a freebie,and in his last fight,that he got completely robbed on,he actually was able to do a full four rounds,which he never could before
Never assume Mathieu

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Nameless
To: Rev. Paul
Date: May 29, 2009 7:06 AM
Subject: RE: Why Did You


Because my brother has had a cranial trauma, a real bad one when he used to be younger and when I see peoples sent to the slaughterhouse, putting their head in danger, it scares the shit out of me and i wanted to see if I was wrong to see it as plainly wrong. Andrew's a lovely kid but the way he gets knocked out so often so young reminds me of my bro and you have no idea how much I worry for him, especially as he has family.

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Rev. Paul
To: Nameless
Date: May 29, 2009 10:38 AM
Subject: Why Did You


Bother to post that on Matts page?
Its not like he's my fighter,I just thought he did better then anyone(including me) thought he would do
Nobody had made it past a half a round with the guy he was fighting.
The guy hung in there longer then anyone else had

[Youngblood]

^^ LOL well that is why I miss him.

I like to be told I know nothing bout the 'buis' any time I dispute anything. I like to hear how pro fighters eat mostly burgers at Denny's when on the road cuz life is hard and some day I'll see! How concussion syndrome is responsible for people offing their families. And stuff.

[Nameless]

^^ LOL well that is why I miss him.

I like to be told I know nothing bout the 'buis' any time I dispute anything. I like to hear how pro fighters eat mostly burgers at Denny's when on the road cuz life is hard and some day I'll see! How concussion syndrome is responsible for people offing their families. And stuff.

I so much want to find the thread where he argues of being a good coach because of his karate experience, the "8 blocks system" he did induce to boxing and the medieval experience. I could also say funny things about his "band" and the truth about it but let's not push the cap too much. No worries tough, he'll come back in a few months I think.

By the way, can you explain me more about the burger thingie? it sounds quite juicy if it comes from him.

[Youngblood]

By the way, can you explain me more about the burger thingie? it sounds quite juicy if it comes from him.

It started in the training section here :

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...g-boxer-4.html

Then progressed to hidden forum here:

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ring-here.html

Enjoy.

[Nameless]

By the way, can you explain me more about the burger thingie? it sounds quite juicy if it comes from him.

It started in the training section here :

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...g-boxer-4.html

Then progressed to hidden forum here:

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ring-here.html

Enjoy.

I quite marveled at it all... an oversize ego dodging facts... I am actively waiting for the day he'll be a "professional MMA" coach to cement the legacy.

[HattonTheHammer]

no doubts HBO are cursing their luck for booking this fight the same night as zelenoff