Looks like Haye Vitali is off and its Haye v Valuev

[JT Rock]

JT that's a nice case you make, but it's still a weak stance to take.

Wladimir has lost, and sure he's gotten hurt in the ring and looked lost out there, but to deny his skill is ridiculous.

VS Corrie Sanders, Wladimir came out to the fight flat...he was pissed off he wasn't getting his shot vs Lennox Lewis and he might have started to believe his own hype and he got caught multiple times and got beaten. A couple fights later he was looking uncomfortable in the ring and eventually that caught up to him too vs Lamon Brewster, Wlad used up all his energy by throwing punches and being tense and he lost again. When Wlad fought Sam Peter, it was SAM PETER who everyone touted as the "Next Heir" and it was SAM PETER who was the young exciting power punching heavyweight and Wladimir was the washed up Ken Norton to Sam Peter's Gerry Cooney...the fight was supposed to be Wladimir's last one as a top level heavyweight. Sure in that fight he took a couple of questionable shots and went down 3 times, but like a CHAMPION he got up and won the fight and since then Wladimir has looked unbeatable. Wlad has improved with every fight, his tactics, his style, his comfort level in the ring...everything looks better with each passing fight. With all of the flaws that have been exposed in Wladimir, for him to DOMINATE fighters, for him to make opponents so one sided that all Wlad needs to do is jab every so often...that is special, it may not be fun to look at, but it's special that Wladimir can make fighters like Ruslan Chagaev and Sultan Ibragimov clam up and turn into punching bags....those guys aren't horrible fighters.

Sure all of the Klitschko fans want Wladimir to open up the offense more....but the guy knows what he is doing and he keeps getting KO's. Wladimir will be the most under appreciated heavyweight champion since Larry Holmes....or maybe even Gene Tunney who also had problems winning over fans with his style.

Yea but either way Vitali is the better one.. HE NEVER LOST A FIGHT AFTER LENNOX. Granted its part of the game and things continued on in boxing just like life, but aside from him giving in to injury with Byrd have you ever seen Vitali vulnerable? Even in the Lewis fight with his eye brow missing he was not going to be denied. Granted its always hard to glorify a fighter in a loss but that fight galvanized Vitali and his career and showed this guy has balls and took everything Lennox had and kept coming after being decapitated by an uppercut he was stunned for a second and fought back and strong. Thats what champs are made of, he punished and beat up Sanders and Peter in a way that Wlad is not capable of. There is a mark difference in aura, energy and excitement when Vitali is in the ring. His presence feels like THE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMP

What complaint have you ever heard about Vitali? He lets hang out with his wang out every time.. Deep down inside you know who the better brother is and I only hope he can be recognized somehow as the official #1 Ring heavy in the world before father time gets him!

Thats the difference, Wlad isint willing to pay the price of glory even when his opponent is there for the taking, Wlad would rather sniff his way through a fight rather then say Screw it Im bigger stronger and faster than this guy, I have been overpowering him for 4 rounds there is no answer for my jab and my cross, let me hook off my jab go to the body and start firing off combos.. Time to turn up the heat and see if I can take this guy out. But he dosent lyle, Wlad dosent have it in him.... But his brother does

[El Kabong]

I have no issues with Vitali at all....I'm just saying Wladimir is no chump, which you obviously disagree with. You don't think Wlad is tough or has any heart and it is wrong of you to think that, he's gotten up off the canvas to win, hell he's gotten up off the canvas to continue getting beaten up before, and he's avenged a loss, he's dealt with cuts and fouls beofre and he's come through it all with only 3 losses in 56 fights and he's won 47 of 53 by KO....that's equally impressive to anything Vitali has done.

The only thing different about the brothers are their styles, Vitali is a slugger, Wladimir is a boxer/puncher

[JazMerkin]

I have no issues with Vitali at all....I'm just saying Wladimir is no chump, which you obviously disagree with. You don't think Wlad is tough or has any heart and it is wrong of you to think that, he's gotten up off the canvas to win, hell he's gotten up off the canvas to continue getting beaten up before, and he's avenged a loss, he's dealt with cuts and fouls beofre and he's come through it all with only 3 losses in 56 fights and he's won 47 of 53 by KO....that's equally impressive to anything Vitali has done.

The only thing different about the brothers are their styles, Vitali is a slugger, Wladimir is a boxer/puncher

I agree with all of that bar the last sentence. I think to call Vitali a slugger is a bit far, he likes to brawl but its not like he lacks skill. Also a boxer/puncher is generally someone like Miguel Cotto, someone who will take a few risks to land shots. That is not Wlad, who is a pure boxer, or in FNR4 terms, an 'outfighter'

[El Kabong]

....well we're going to have to change what it means to be an "outfighter" or just a "pure boxer" because those types of fighters are not supposed to knock guys out, and Wlad always gets the KO.

[JT Rock]

I will admit it burns my ass that they call this china closet who backed into the title from process of elimination champion, when his brother is the better active fighter right now...

[WelshDevilRob]

Fantastic news. The Giant vs The Hayemaker.

Credit to Valuev for doing the right thing and offering Haye a decent deal -unlike the Klit brothers. Valuev even says the deal was easy to do.

Glad to see we are not going to get Ruiz vs Valuev again - if anyone would prefer to see that fight then they are following the wrong sport.

Hopefully they have a re-enforced canvas when the Timber hits the deck.