Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!

[ElTerribleMorales]

Well technically he always has been bigger than JMM but I think the criticism of Floyd by some, obviously not all, is that he's looking to fight at welter but not really fight the big strong welters.

Weight and how "big" a guy is is hard to tell from just where they start, Oscar started between 130 and 135 but he's obviously a bigger framed guy than say Chop Corley who started at 140. Even though its an amazing accomplishment that Pacquaio came from 112 to 147 it doesn't mean he's small now, he was a solid 135, probably is a solid 140 pounder and seemed to have some trouble making 130 towards the end.

Floyd I thought looked real solid towards the end of his 140 run and looks like a decently solid welter now. Obviously wouldn't be considered a big strong welter compared to some guys. Was he "bigger" than Sharmba Mitchell or Zab or even Ricky? I don't know, he didn't look smaller or physically at a disadvantage. I think he could look pretty strong against JMM.

Still not sure if I've answered the question.

one look at Floyd and it's easy to see he's no natural welterweight, if anything i'd say he's a natural Lightweight, jr.welter at most

[spade]

The point is, Cotto fans are so afraid that it will be Cotto's loss for Pac's immortality and Cotto would go down in history as the biggest fighter Pac ever faced and defeated and become a 7 time champion

If you are so sure about Cotto's skills and talent, 2 pounds wont matter.

It's just a weigh-in limit, Cotto can weigh up to 170 come fight night and Pac would never argue with that.




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[DAWGSWIN]

I'm going to skip the formality of reading every post in the thread and say that it really doesn't matter.

Most of us don't care about alphabet straps anyway! If its the RING strap they're fighting for, maybe it's worth arguing about.

[Julius Rain]

So it would have been more credible for Manny to fight some flat out bum than a smaller but better fighter in Larios? Not like I cared about the Larios fight but at least he knew vaguely what he was doing. Anyway I don't care, I just found that funny.

Well technically he always has been bigger than JMM but I think the criticism of Floyd by some, obviously not all, is that he's looking to fight at welter but not really fight the big strong welters.

Weight and how "big" a guy is is hard to tell from just where they start, Oscar started between 130 and 135 but he's obviously a bigger framed guy than say Chop Corley who started at 140. Even though its an amazing accomplishment that Pacquaio came from 112 to 147 it doesn't mean he's small now, he was a solid 135, probably is a solid 140 pounder and seemed to have some trouble making 130 towards the end.

Floyd I thought looked real solid towards the end of his 140 run and looks like a decently solid welter now. Obviously wouldn't be considered a big strong welter compared to some guys. Was he "bigger" than Sharmba Mitchell or Zab or even Ricky? I don't know, he didn't look smaller or physically at a disadvantage. I think he could look pretty strong against JMM.

Still not sure if I've answered the question.

one look at Floyd and it's easy to see he's no natural welterweight, if anything i'd say he's a natural Lightweight, jr.welter at most

you out done yourself again, so if floyd is a natural lightweight or jr. welterweight then why not fight jmm at those division instead?

Hey was pac avoiding the natural featherweight at the time he fought bantamweight Larios? did he fight Rafeal Marquez instead of Juan Manuel Marquez, or Isreal Vazquez instead of Eric Morales?

[ElTerribleMorales]

So it would have been more credible for Manny to fight some flat out bum than a smaller but better fighter in Larios? Not like I cared about the Larios fight but at least he knew vaguely what he was doing. Anyway I don't care, I just found that funny.

Well technically he always has been bigger than JMM but I think the criticism of Floyd by some, obviously not all, is that he's looking to fight at welter but not really fight the big strong welters.

Weight and how "big" a guy is is hard to tell from just where they start, Oscar started between 130 and 135 but he's obviously a bigger framed guy than say Chop Corley who started at 140. Even though its an amazing accomplishment that Pacquaio came from 112 to 147 it doesn't mean he's small now, he was a solid 135, probably is a solid 140 pounder and seemed to have some trouble making 130 towards the end.

Floyd I thought looked real solid towards the end of his 140 run and looks like a decently solid welter now. Obviously wouldn't be considered a big strong welter compared to some guys. Was he "bigger" than Sharmba Mitchell or Zab or even Ricky? I don't know, he didn't look smaller or physically at a disadvantage. I think he could look pretty strong against JMM.

Still not sure if I've answered the question.

one look at Floyd and it's easy to see he's no natural welterweight, if anything i'd say he's a natural Lightweight, jr.welter at most

you out done yourself again, so if floyd is a natural lightweight or jr. welterweight then why not fight jmm at those division instead?

Hey was pac avoiding the natural featherweight at the time he fought bantamweight Larios? did he fight Rafeal Marquez instead of Juan Manuel Marquez, or Isreal Vazquez instead of Eric Morales?

was Jones Jr a natural Heavyweight? no, but look what happened to him when he killed himself to go back down to 175

Pacquiao is no natural jr.welterweight, but what do you think would happen to him if he jumped back down to 130 or 126 to fight the likes of Soto, Linares, or any other top fighter in those two divisions, he'd probably lose, and not cause he isn't better than them, but he's been away from those weight classes for so long

and yea your second bit was just a fuckin joke

[Julius Rain]

So it would have been more credible for Manny to fight some flat out bum than a smaller but better fighter in Larios? Not like I cared about the Larios fight but at least he knew vaguely what he was doing. Anyway I don't care, I just found that funny.

one look at Floyd and it's easy to see he's no natural welterweight, if anything i'd say he's a natural Lightweight, jr.welter at most

you out done yourself again, so if floyd is a natural lightweight or jr. welterweight then why not fight jmm at those division instead?

Hey was pac avoiding the natural featherweight at the time he fought bantamweight Larios? did he fight Rafeal Marquez instead of Juan Manuel Marquez, or Isreal Vazquez instead of Eric Morales?

was Jones Jr a natural Heavyweight? no, but look what happened to him when he killed himself to go back down to 175

Pacquiao is no natural jr.welterweight, but what do you think would happen to him if he jumped back down to 130 or 126 to fight the likes of Soto, Linares, or any other top fighter in those two divisions, he'd probably lose, and not cause he isn't better than them, but he's been away from those weight classes for so long

and yea your second bit was just a fuckin joke

[ElTerribleMorales]

you out done yourself again, so if floyd is a natural lightweight or jr. welterweight then why not fight jmm at those division instead?

Hey was pac avoiding the natural featherweight at the time he fought bantamweight Larios? did he fight Rafeal Marquez instead of Juan Manuel Marquez, or Isreal Vazquez instead of Eric Morales?

was Jones Jr a natural Heavyweight? no, but look what happened to him when he killed himself to go back down to 175

Pacquiao is no natural jr.welterweight, but what do you think would happen to him if he jumped back down to 130 or 126 to fight the likes of Soto, Linares, or any other top fighter in those two divisions, he'd probably lose, and not cause he isn't better than them, but he's been away from those weight classes for so long

and yea your second bit was just a fuckin joke

yea i'm done with you saddoboxer jr

[spade]

Why do we have to ruin this epic fight because of the 2 pounds weigh-in reduction.


I thought this is a David and Goliath fight. Goliath is asked to shed to pounds and all his hordes are reacting this is unfair.


Well, anyway we know what happened at the end of the story.

[Diane]

Good for Cotto, he's sticking to his guns and telling Manny that if he wants the belt, he has to fight him at 147, and if the WBO wants to strip him of the belt for not putting it on the line at 145, he saying go ahead.

Cotto: "Hey Freddie, I am Not De La Hoya or Hatton" - Boxing News

[p4pking]

Why does the WBO belt make any difference one way or another in this case?? Cotto won it vacant against Michael Jennings... It's worthless. I get that in theory in a catchweight fight the belt shouldn't be on the line, because Cotto isn't allowed to weigh in at the welterweight limit, that's the issue here and it's pretty cut and dry. But as far as signifigance goes ,whether this fight is for the WBO title or not means absolutely squat, Cotto should just throw it out. If he loses to Manny I doubt still being the WBO paper champion at welterweight will be much to find solace in.

[killersheep]

I thought PAC and Cotto had contracts signed already?

Why are they still negotiating?

[Diane]

I thought PAC and Cotto had contracts signed already?

Why are they still negotiating?

The contracts haven't been signed yet, they announced the fight, because both sides had agreed to the terms, weight, money, date, site, etc., but I guess the belt issue is now coming up before they sign.

[killersheep]

I thought PAC and Cotto had contracts signed already?

Why are they still negotiating?

The contracts haven't been signed yet, they announced the fight, because both sides had agreed to the terms, weight, money, date, site, etc., but I guess the belt issue is now coming up before they sign.

So there's still achance this could all fall apart. That's reassuring.

[kingfrnk]

Good for Cotto, he's sticking to his guns and telling Manny that if he wants the belt, he has to fight him at 147, and if the WBO wants to strip him of the belt for not putting it on the line at 145, he saying go ahead.

Cotto: "Hey Freddie, I am Not De La Hoya or Hatton" - Boxing News

lol he called Hatton overrated that is funny

[ElTerribleMorales]

Good for Cotto, he's sticking to his guns and telling Manny that if he wants the belt, he has to fight him at 147, and if the WBO wants to strip him of the belt for not putting it on the line at 145, he saying go ahead.

Cotto: "Hey Freddie, I am Not De La Hoya or Hatton" - Boxing News

lol he called Hatton overrated that is funny

IMO Cotto is a far superior fighter than Hatton, i think he'd hurt Hatton badly at 147 (and i mean leaves lasting effects), and at 140 i think he'd KO him in the mid rounds, Hatton was good, and fun to watch, but Cotto already has a better record and against very game opposition