Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!

[Pavlik]

The last time I checked it's not for the title anymore:

Arum wrong, Pacquiao fans roar, sanction fee 150K

One American who wishes Pacquiao all the worst

Legacy matters to Manny Pacquiao fans worldwide

[ElTerribleMorales]

you once again prove your level of knowledge, at the time pac wanted a hometown fight and nobody step up so larious was the tune up. Besides JMM those other guys you named made very little effort to actually get in the ring with pac. Larious didnt care, he step up and fought pac nobody else would.

dude you're proving to be pretty whacked out cause Pacquiao was never avoided by anyone, he's no Winky Wright or Paul Williams, if he wanted a hometown fight he could have taken on a hometown bum, didn't have to call out a superbantamweight quit tryin to sugar coat it, it's the same bullshit that Mayweather is doing with Marquez, only difference is that Mayweather is making the effort to go a bit down in weight

your efforts to discredit pac in anyway is truly pathetic, it is a waste of time responding to you.

more like your efforts to make Pacquiao into a god is just sad and really needs to crawl back into some Pacquiao Forum

[OumaFan]

Cotto is being screwed in so "Manny" ways:

1. Manny gets the 65-35 split.
2. Cotto's belt is on the line, even though he has to fight at a catch weight.
3. Cotto was basically extorted by Arum (We will give you the fight against Manny if you sign with us for two more years).
4. Manny even wanted the fight a month earlier, which would not have given Cotto the proper time to heal his cut.

Manny has proven a lot in boxing and deservedly so, but I am beginning to hate his attitude and opinion of himself and his nerve. I hope (and believe) that all of this will motivate Cotto to put a beat down on Manny.

Manny deserves much more money as he's the P4P number 1 guy and a much bigger draw. Cotto even at 35 percent is making a big payday, I'm sure his biggest clearly. I don't know about being extorted by Arum but if so him wanting the fight that bad is a sign he's not that unhappy with the split. There is nothing wrong with 65-35.

I don't really like the belt being on the line for a 145 fight. I don't really care as I don't care that much about belts in general but I can see how people would be upset about it.

[Lance Uppercut]

Who cares if Cotto's paper title is on the line. It is completely worthless.(on what planet are you declared a champion by beating Michael Jennings). The fight is good as it is, without the corrupt, cancerous alphabet gangs getting their dirty fingers in it.

[OumaFan]

what are you talkin about Casamayor, Soto, JMM, Guzman, etc all were calling Pacquiao out, and why the hell did it have to be in Manila? neither one of the two were American so a fight in any of the 50 states would of been in neutral grounds, Pacquiao has never been an avoided fighter, so don't try to play that card

you once again prove your level of knowledge, at the time pac wanted a hometown fight and nobody step up so larious was the tune up. Besides JMM those other guys you named made very little effort to actually get in the ring with pac. Larious didnt care, he step up and fought pac nobody else would.

dude you're proving to be pretty whacked out cause Pacquiao was never avoided by anyone, he's no Winky Wright or Paul Williams, if he wanted a hometown fight he could have taken on a hometown bum, didn't have to call out a superbantamweight quit tryin to sugar coat it, it's the same bullshit that Mayweather is doing with Marquez, only difference is that Mayweather is making the effort to go a bit down in weight

[ElTerribleMorales]

you once again prove your level of knowledge, at the time pac wanted a hometown fight and nobody step up so larious was the tune up. Besides JMM those other guys you named made very little effort to actually get in the ring with pac. Larious didnt care, he step up and fought pac nobody else would.

dude you're proving to be pretty whacked out cause Pacquiao was never avoided by anyone, he's no Winky Wright or Paul Williams, if he wanted a hometown fight he could have taken on a hometown bum, didn't have to call out a superbantamweight quit tryin to sugar coat it, it's the same bullshit that Mayweather is doing with Marquez, only difference is that Mayweather is making the effort to go a bit down in weight

lol it's the truth

[ElTerribleMorales]

Cotto is being screwed in so "Manny" ways:

1. Manny gets the 65-35 split.
2. Cotto's belt is on the line, even though he has to fight at a catch weight.
3. Cotto was basically extorted by Arum (We will give you the fight against Manny if you sign with us for two more years).
4. Manny even wanted the fight a month earlier, which would not have given Cotto the proper time to heal his cut.

Manny has proven a lot in boxing and deservedly so, but I am beginning to hate his attitude and opinion of himself and his nerve. I hope (and believe) that all of this will motivate Cotto to put a beat down on Manny.

Manny deserves much more money as he's the P4P number 1 guy and a much bigger draw. Cotto even at 35 percent is making a big payday, I'm sure his biggest clearly. I don't know about being extorted by Arum but if so him wanting the fight that bad is a sign he's not that unhappy with the split. There is nothing wrong with 65-35.

I don't really like the belt being on the line for a 145 fight. I don't really care as I don't care that much about belts in general but I can see how people would be upset about it.

i agree that i think the 65/35 split is fair given the circumstances of the catchweight fight, but by putting the title on the line it'd be a championship fight, and what kind of championship fight is it when the champion has to give up 2 lbs, get paid less, and even give up the venue by going to las vegas instead of MSG or Atlantic City.

if it's a catchweight fight as it is, well i'm all for it, just don't keep giving the challenger all the benefits

[OumaFan]

So it would have been more credible for Manny to fight some flat out bum than a smaller but better fighter in Larios? Not like I cared about the Larios fight but at least he knew vaguely what he was doing. Anyway I don't care, I just found that funny.

As for the second part. The only thing that is odd is the catch weight. Challenger or not the "bigger" fighter is always gonna get the money, venue, etc. And remember when the whole thing was first being brought up it was Cotto who said 145 but nothing less and it ended up being 145. I would have preferred it to be 147 but if Cotto comes out looking fresh the night of the fight I don't see a reason to complain.

I get the anger about the belt, I just don't care. And it really doesn't have anything to do with this fight, its just that I don't care about alphabet belts. Manny's not going to defend it in the traditional sense anyway, LOL he's not going to be taking on Kazahkstani mandatories. Manny and his super fans (me?) will talk about him being an 18 division champ and a lot of people will call BS, in the end I don't care too much.

[ElTerribleMorales]

So it would have been more credible for Manny to fight some flat out bum than a smaller but better fighter in Larios? Not like I cared about the Larios fight but at least he knew vaguely what he was doing. Anyway I don't care, I just found that funny.

As for the second part. The only thing that is odd is the catch weight. Challenger or not the "bigger" fighter is always gonna get the money, venue, etc. And remember when the whole thing was first being brought up it was Cotto who said 145 but nothing less and it ended up being 145. I would have preferred it to be 147 but if Cotto comes out looking fresh the night of the fight I don't see a reason to complain.

I get the anger about the belt, I just don't care. And it really doesn't have anything to do with this fight, its just that I don't care about alphabet belts. Manny's not going to defend it in the traditional sense anyway, LOL he's not going to be taking on Kazahkstani mandatories. Manny and his super fans (me?) will talk about him being an 18 division champ and a lot of people will call BS, in the end I don't care too much.

either way whats the difference from what Pacquiao did with Larios to what Mayweather is doing with Marquez? i mean aside from the fact that Marquez is coming off two sensational KO wins instead of a TKO loss, and is ranked #2 p4p right now

[OumaFan]

I have no idea. I was skimming the posts to be honest.

I don't see much of a problem with Floyd fighting JMM. I don't see what could possibly be the problem with Pacquaio fighting Larios at that point. Not every fight is a super fight, its only when you start stringing together crappy fights that there's a problem, although I don't think he'd bother with a Larios type fight right now.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I have no idea. I was skimming the posts to be honest.

I don't see much of a problem with Floyd fighting JMM. I don't see what could possibly be the problem with Pacquaio fighting Larios at that point. Not every fight is a super fight, its only when you start stringing together crappy fights that there's a problem, although I don't think he'd bother with a Larios type fight right now.

no what i mean is that people are complaining about the fact that Floyd is fighting a "smaller" man and according to some he's already made a habit of it, forgetting he started at 130

[OumaFan]

Well technically he always has been bigger than JMM but I think the criticism of Floyd by some, obviously not all, is that he's looking to fight at welter but not really fight the big strong welters.

Weight and how "big" a guy is is hard to tell from just where they start, Oscar started between 130 and 135 but he's obviously a bigger framed guy than say Chop Corley who started at 140. Even though its an amazing accomplishment that Pacquaio came from 112 to 147 it doesn't mean he's small now, he was a solid 135, probably is a solid 140 pounder and seemed to have some trouble making 130 towards the end.

Floyd I thought looked real solid towards the end of his 140 run and looks like a decently solid welter now. Obviously wouldn't be considered a big strong welter compared to some guys. Was he "bigger" than Sharmba Mitchell or Zab or even Ricky? I don't know, he didn't look smaller or physically at a disadvantage. I think he could look pretty strong against JMM.

Still not sure if I've answered the question.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Well technically he always has been bigger than JMM but I think the criticism of Floyd by some, obviously not all, is that he's looking to fight at welter but not really fight the big strong welters.

Weight and how "big" a guy is is hard to tell from just where they start, Oscar started between 130 and 135 but he's obviously a bigger framed guy than say Chop Corley who started at 140. Even though its an amazing accomplishment that Pacquaio came from 112 to 147 it doesn't mean he's small now, he was a solid 135, probably is a solid 140 pounder and seemed to have some trouble making 130 towards the end.

Floyd I thought looked real solid towards the end of his 140 run and looks like a decently solid welter now. Obviously wouldn't be considered a big strong welter compared to some guys. Was he "bigger" than Sharmba Mitchell or Zab or even Ricky? I don't know, he didn't look smaller or physically at a disadvantage. I think he could look pretty strong against JMM.

Still not sure if I've answered the question.

one look at Floyd and it's easy to see he's no natural welterweight, if anything i'd say he's a natural Lightweight, jr.welter at most

[spade]

The point is, Cotto fans are so afraid that it will be Cotto's loss for Pac's immortality and Cotto would go down in history as the biggest fighter Pac ever faced and defeated and become a 7 time champion

If you are so sure about Cotto's skills and talent, 2 pounds wont matter.

It's just a weigh-in limit, Cotto can weigh up to 170 come fight night and Pac would never argue with that.




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[DAWGSWIN]

I'm going to skip the formality of reading every post in the thread and say that it really doesn't matter.

Most of us don't care about alphabet straps anyway! If its the RING strap they're fighting for, maybe it's worth arguing about.