funny thing is, he probably could if he waited as long to fight them as he did the current old guys he's taking so much credit for beating.
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funny thing is, he probably could if he waited as long to fight them as he did the current old guys he's taking so much credit for beating.
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I dont give him much credit for beating either Hopkins or Jones, I never really rated either, I think Joe would have done the same Ten years ago only with more power.
Kessler is where Joe proved his class.
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With an impish grin, holding a baseball bat! Sure.
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He deserves credit for beating B-Hop. B-Hop's performance against Pavlik, was the best performance I have seen from Hopkins. Infact his best performances both came in his forties imo (Tarver & Pavlik) Jones was shot to pieces agreed on that!
P.S Not to go over old ground, but Joe Calzaghe's SMW resume is better than B-Hops MW resume and equal to RJJ's LHW resume imo
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That's what I call an objective view point!!!
I actually think RJJ and B-Hop were better fighters p4p than JC, but I think people claiming B-Hop was old and shot against JC is BS and I also think all 3 have questionable resumes during their prime and the weight they reigned at!
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I wouldn't go that far. Boxing is all about styles. Pavlik ain't exactly a fast combination punching machine like Calzaghe is. Bernard had to fight a more defensive fight against Calzaghe because Calzaghe was gonna be in his face throwing all day. Against Pavlik he could pot shot all night as logn as he avoided the right hand. Two completely different styles and a style like Pavlik's is made for Bernard to look spectacular against. So I wouldn't say it gave Calzaghe's win more merit unless Pavlik had the exact same style. It just showed that he wasn't shot but that he had to fight a different way against Calzaghe. Bernard was never "shot" out of his prime yes, but never shot.
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His performances against Felix Trinidad, Glen Johnson, Sergundo Mercado 2, were better performances IMO. The problem is even though Bernard Hopkins looked impressive in those fights with Antonio Tarver, Kelly Pavlik. He still lacked workrate in those fights. Which is why he lost to Joe Calzaghe and Jermain Taylor.
As for comparing Bernard Hopkins resume to Joe Calzaghe's, well some of Joe Calzaghe's best wins over Charles Brewer, Richie Woodhall, ETC. lost to fighters Bernard Hopkins beat. Which may not be much of an argument, but it is still an interesting point to bring up IMO. I really don't think there resume's are much different.
Most of Joe Calzaghe's best wins were against fighters, who were on the downslide. And most of Bernard Hopkins wins were against undersized opponents. So it really comes down to what you think is more relevant, but even though both mens resume's at the one weightclass they dominated at are nothing special.
They still never ducked anyone in there weightclass, which is a good point to bring up. And really and truthfully which fighters, who have dominated one weightclass, really has alot of special names anyway ? because i don't think theres many.
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