Heavyweight Roy Jones Vs Heavyweight James Toney

[Gandalf]

Roy Jones... he was still taking the sport seriously. His footspeed was too much for Toney at 168, and fat Toney p4p was a lot slower. Roy would stay away and pot shot him.

James Toney was weight drained when he fought RJJ, im a big fan of both fighters. But lets be frank here that was hardly the James Toney, that beat Michael Nunn, Doug DeWitt, Iran Barkley, ETC.

I agree that James Toney would struggle with RJJ's movement, especially at Heavyweight. But you never know, we never really see RJJ at Heavyweight. And beating John Ruiz tells me nothing, because James Toney was able to beat John Ruiz. Just as good even knocking him down.

James Toney had some impressive performances at Heavyweight, against Rydell Booker, Evander Holyfield, Dominick Guinn. And even though the smart moneys on RJJ winning a UD, it wouldn't suprise me if the James Toney that fought Evander Holyfield. Clocked RJJ and put his lights out, James Toney could still hit fairly good at Heavyweight.

Good post, totally agree with all of that. For a fair period after moving up form cruiserweight Toney was still remarkably good. Great handspeed, movement, and still a fair bit of pop.

[ICB]

Roy Jones... he was still taking the sport seriously. His footspeed was too much for Toney at 168, and fat Toney p4p was a lot slower. Roy would stay away and pot shot him.

James Toney was weight drained when he fought RJJ, im a big fan of both fighters. But lets be frank here that was hardly the James Toney, that beat Michael Nunn, Doug DeWitt, Iran Barkley, ETC.

I agree that James Toney would struggle with RJJ's movement, especially at Heavyweight. But you never know, we never really see RJJ at Heavyweight. And beating John Ruiz tells me nothing, because James Toney was able to beat John Ruiz. Just as good even knocking him down.

James Toney had some impressive performances at Heavyweight, against Rydell Booker, Evander Holyfield, Dominick Guinn. And even though the smart moneys on RJJ winning a UD, it wouldn't suprise me if the James Toney that fought Evander Holyfield. Clocked RJJ and put his lights out, James Toney could still hit fairly good at Heavyweight.

Good post, totally agree with all of that. For a fair period after moving up form cruiserweight Toney was still remarkably good. Great handspeed, movement, and still a fair bit of pop.

I think people are forgetting how well, James Toney was doing between 2003-2005. I mean he arguably had some of his finest performances, between beating Vassiliy Jirov, up until beating Dominick Guinn.

And i thought he looked good in all those fights, his weight did start to go up when he fought Rydell Booker. But he was still fine his workrate was good, his power was good considering the cirumstances. His speed was good enough and his defense as it always is, was superb.

[JonesJrMayweather]

James Toney was weight drained when he fought RJJ, im a big fan of both fighters. But lets be frank here that was hardly the James Toney, that beat Michael Nunn, Doug DeWitt, Iran Barkley, ETC.

I agree that James Toney would struggle with RJJ's movement, especially at Heavyweight. But you never know, we never really see RJJ at Heavyweight. And beating John Ruiz tells me nothing, because James Toney was able to beat John Ruiz. Just as good even knocking him down.

James Toney had some impressive performances at Heavyweight, against Rydell Booker, Evander Holyfield, Dominick Guinn. And even though the smart moneys on RJJ winning a UD, it wouldn't suprise me if the James Toney that fought Evander Holyfield. Clocked RJJ and put his lights out, James Toney could still hit fairly good at Heavyweight.

Good post, totally agree with all of that. For a fair period after moving up form cruiserweight Toney was still remarkably good. Great handspeed, movement, and still a fair bit of pop.

I think people are forgetting how well, James Toney was doing between 2003-2005. I mean he arguably had some of his finest performances, between beating Vassiliy Jirov, up until beating Dominick Guinn.

And i thought he looked good in all those fights, his weight did start to go up when he fought Rydell Booker. But he was still fine his workrate was good, his power was good considering the cirumstances. His speed was good enough and his defense as it always is, was superb.

Any version of jones beats any version of Toney. All the fighters that they share in common...Toney struggled with while Jones blew them away not too mention he soundly beat Toney himself. Someone mentioned that Toney looked good against Nunn..he was thoroughly being outboxed until he landed the lucky KO blow. Jones didn't lose that much in the abilities that separated him from Toney in their first fight, if anything Toney would have been a sitting duck because he actually stopped moving at the higher weights.

[Hulk]

Roy was always too fast and too good for James Toney.

At any weight he'd beat James 9/10 times.

[ICB]

Good post, totally agree with all of that. For a fair period after moving up form cruiserweight Toney was still remarkably good. Great handspeed, movement, and still a fair bit of pop.

I think people are forgetting how well, James Toney was doing between 2003-2005. I mean he arguably had some of his finest performances, between beating Vassiliy Jirov, up until beating Dominick Guinn.

And i thought he looked good in all those fights, his weight did start to go up when he fought Rydell Booker. But he was still fine his workrate was good, his power was good considering the cirumstances. His speed was good enough and his defense as it always is, was superb.

Any version of jones beats any version of Toney. All the fighters that they share in common...Toney struggled with while Jones blew them away not too mention he soundly beat Toney himself. Someone mentioned that Toney looked good against Nunn..he was thoroughly being outboxed until he landed the lucky KO blow. Jones didn't lose that much in the abilities that separated him from Toney in their first fight, if anything Toney would have been a sitting duck because he actually stopped moving at the higher weights.

What fighters did James Toney struggle with, that RJJ blew away ? he beat Merqui Sosa easily, he beat Tony Thorton easily. He struggled against Montel Griffin the 1st time, like RJJ did. But in the rematch he beat him clearly but was robbed.

He struggled against an almost prime Mike McCallum, not the 40 year old version RJJ fought, and by the way. James Toney fought the same Mike McCallum, RJJ did in the 3rd meeting between James Toney and Mike McCallum. And he pretty much done the same as RJJ did. A 9-3 or 8-4 victory.

James Toney did struggle against Reggie Johnson, but he won a clear decision because he won a majority of the later rounds. Pay no attention to the SD victory it says on boxrec, James Toney clearly won by a few points. And lets remember that was a prime Reggie Johnson, not the 35 year old Reggie Johnson RJJ fought. And remember there was an 8 year difference between Reggie Johnson fighting James Toney and RJJ.

I know you haven't seen James Toney vs Michael Nunn, because everyone who says James Toney was getting dominated. And got a lucky punch have just read articles or just looked on boxrec, and see the scorecards and thats not what actually happened.

What happened was that James Toney did lose alot of the early rounds, but he was hurt by nothing Michael Nunn landed. Then i think it was after the 6th round or 7th round, James Toney won every round and going into the 11th round, he had won 4 rounds on the trot.

And he was only behind by 2 rounds at most, and Michael Nunn was starting to tire. And you could actually see the KO was coming, it wasn't a lucky punch at all and James Toney still could of earned a draw or even won.

The reason why when you look on boxrec, that the scorecards are wide. Is because it was in Michael Nunn's hometown. But in truth it was a close fight and James Toney was coming on strong, and Michael Nunn started to fade badly.

Lastly let me also tell you another fact, you may not of known. That was James Toney's first world title shot, so he was still inexperienced. And he was fighting a 6'3 P4P number 3 world champion, who was at that time considered to be a future ATG. And lets also remember theres rumours. That RJJ even avoided Michael Nunn, and for good reason because Michael Nunn would of gave him fits.

[JonesJrMayweather]

I think people are forgetting how well, James Toney was doing between 2003-2005. I mean he arguably had some of his finest performances, between beating Vassiliy Jirov, up until beating Dominick Guinn.

And i thought he looked good in all those fights, his weight did start to go up when he fought Rydell Booker. But he was still fine his workrate was good, his power was good considering the cirumstances. His speed was good enough and his defense as it always is, was superb.

Any version of jones beats any version of Toney. All the fighters that they share in common...Toney struggled with while Jones blew them away not too mention he soundly beat Toney himself. Someone mentioned that Toney looked good against Nunn..he was thoroughly being outboxed until he landed the lucky KO blow. Jones didn't lose that much in the abilities that separated him from Toney in their first fight, if anything Toney would have been a sitting duck because he actually stopped moving at the higher weights.

What fighters did James Toney struggle with, that RJJ blew away ? he beat Merqui Sosa easily, he beat Tony Thorton easily. He struggled against Montel Griffin the 1st time, like RJJ did. But in the rematch he beat him clearly but was robbed.

He struggled against an almost prime Mike McCallum, not the 40 year old version RJJ fought, and by the way. James Toney fought the same Mike McCallum, RJJ did in the 3rd meeting between James Toney and Mike McCallum. And he pretty much done the same as RJJ did. A 9-3 or 8-4 victory.

James Toney did struggle against Reggie Johnson, but he won a clear decision because he won a majority of the later rounds. Pay no attention to the SD victory it says on boxrec, James Toney clearly won by a few points. And lets remember that was a prime Reggie Johnson, not the 35 year old Reggie Johnson RJJ fought. And remember there was an 8 year difference between Reggie Johnson fighting James Toney and RJJ.

I know you haven't seen James Toney vs Michael Nunn, because everyone who says James Toney was getting dominated. And got a lucky punch have just read articles or just looked on boxrec, and see the scorecards and thats not what actually happened.

What happened was that James Toney did lose alot of the early rounds, but he was hurt by nothing Michael Nunn landed. Then i think it was after the 6th round or 7th round, James Toney won every round and going into the 11th round, he had won 4 rounds on the trot.

And he was only behind by 2 rounds at most, and Michael Nunn was starting to tire. And you could actually see the KO was coming, it wasn't a lucky punch at all and James Toney still could of earned a draw or even won.

The reason why when you look on boxrec, that the scorecards are wide. Is because it was in Michael Nunn's hometown. But in truth it was a close fight and James Toney was coming on strong, and Michael Nunn started to fade badly.

Lastly let me also tell you another fact, you may not of known. That was James Toney's first world title shot, so he was still inexperienced. And he was fighting a 6'3 P4P number 3 world champion, who was at that time considered to be a future ATG. And lets also remember theres rumours. That RJJ even avoided Michael Nunn, and for good reason because Michael Nunn would of gave him fits.

Actually Ive seen all the fights i mentioned. And Toney struggled with sosa only managed a SD even with the flash KD and point deduction. TOneys swas beaten twice by Montell Griffith if that's not struggling with I don't know what is. Roy was about to stop montel griffith in the first fight. And hometown or not Toney was losing the nunn fight because he was being outboxed.

And this is pointless discussion because as I said before when roy went up to HW he still had the same skills that set them apart anyway, toney would have been pot shot to death at heavy weight and even in the smw weight fight he landed flush on jones and jones took it standing up. jones would win.

[ICB]

Any version of jones beats any version of Toney. All the fighters that they share in common...Toney struggled with while Jones blew them away not too mention he soundly beat Toney himself. Someone mentioned that Toney looked good against Nunn..he was thoroughly being outboxed until he landed the lucky KO blow. Jones didn't lose that much in the abilities that separated him from Toney in their first fight, if anything Toney would have been a sitting duck because he actually stopped moving at the higher weights.

What fighters did James Toney struggle with, that RJJ blew away ? he beat Merqui Sosa easily, he beat Tony Thorton easily. He struggled against Montel Griffin the 1st time, like RJJ did. But in the rematch he beat him clearly but was robbed.

He struggled against an almost prime Mike McCallum, not the 40 year old version RJJ fought, and by the way. James Toney fought the same Mike McCallum, RJJ did in the 3rd meeting between James Toney and Mike McCallum. And he pretty much done the same as RJJ did. A 9-3 or 8-4 victory.

James Toney did struggle against Reggie Johnson, but he won a clear decision because he won a majority of the later rounds. Pay no attention to the SD victory it says on boxrec, James Toney clearly won by a few points. And lets remember that was a prime Reggie Johnson, not the 35 year old Reggie Johnson RJJ fought. And remember there was an 8 year difference between Reggie Johnson fighting James Toney and RJJ.

I know you haven't seen James Toney vs Michael Nunn, because everyone who says James Toney was getting dominated. And got a lucky punch have just read articles or just looked on boxrec, and see the scorecards and thats not what actually happened.

What happened was that James Toney did lose alot of the early rounds, but he was hurt by nothing Michael Nunn landed. Then i think it was after the 6th round or 7th round, James Toney won every round and going into the 11th round, he had won 4 rounds on the trot.

And he was only behind by 2 rounds at most, and Michael Nunn was starting to tire. And you could actually see the KO was coming, it wasn't a lucky punch at all and James Toney still could of earned a draw or even won.

The reason why when you look on boxrec, that the scorecards are wide. Is because it was in Michael Nunn's hometown. But in truth it was a close fight and James Toney was coming on strong, and Michael Nunn started to fade badly.

Lastly let me also tell you another fact, you may not of known. That was James Toney's first world title shot, so he was still inexperienced. And he was fighting a 6'3 P4P number 3 world champion, who was at that time considered to be a future ATG. And lets also remember theres rumours. That RJJ even avoided Michael Nunn, and for good reason because Michael Nunn would of gave him fits.

Actually Ive seen all the fights i mentioned. And Toney struggled with sosa only managed a SD even with the flash KD and point deduction. TOneys swas beaten twice by Montell Griffith if that's not struggling with I don't know what is. Roy was about to stop montel griffith in the first fight. And hometown or not Toney was losing the nunn fight because he was being outboxed.

And this is pointless discussion because as I said before when roy went up to HW he still had the same skills that set them apart anyway, toney would have been pot shot to death at heavy weight and even in the smw weight fight he landed flush on jones and jones took it standing up. jones would win.

But you clearly haven't seen James Toney vs Merqui Sosa. Because you wouldn't be saying, it was anywhere close to a MD. James Toney won the first 6 rounds easy as pie, he took a few rounds off and he maybe lost 3 rounds at most. Then he started using his jab and he controlled the fight again, infact i'll put this fight on here. And i'll make a thread about it, and lets see if anyone thinks it was close.

And again you clearly haven't seen both Montel Griffin fights, and your just basing it off looking at the scorecards. The first fight was close but many people thought James Toney just nicked it, and as i said RJJ was having all sorts out problems with Montel Griffin. Until he finally caught up with him. No real different to James Toney, except RJJ managed to catch up to him eventually.

In the rematch both men beat him comfortably, yes RJJ done it more convincingly with an impressive 1st round KO. But points wise James Toney easily won atleast 7-4-1 or 8-4. The commentators were calling BS, and so was i it was a clear robbery. And anyone who has seen the fight knows it is.

And again your basing this off two much at happened at 168, firstly James Toney was a weight-drained mess. And he has often had weight problems and looked terrible. We are on about a healthy James Toney, and we are on about at Heavyweight. A 193 pounds RJJ vs 217 pounds James Toney.

And you honestly don't think a 100 percent James Toney, wouldn't have a good chance at KO'ing RJJ ?

[JonesJrMayweather]

What fighters did James Toney struggle with, that RJJ blew away ? he beat Merqui Sosa easily, he beat Tony Thorton easily. He struggled against Montel Griffin the 1st time, like RJJ did. But in the rematch he beat him clearly but was robbed.

He struggled against an almost prime Mike McCallum, not the 40 year old version RJJ fought, and by the way. James Toney fought the same Mike McCallum, RJJ did in the 3rd meeting between James Toney and Mike McCallum. And he pretty much done the same as RJJ did. A 9-3 or 8-4 victory.

James Toney did struggle against Reggie Johnson, but he won a clear decision because he won a majority of the later rounds. Pay no attention to the SD victory it says on boxrec, James Toney clearly won by a few points. And lets remember that was a prime Reggie Johnson, not the 35 year old Reggie Johnson RJJ fought. And remember there was an 8 year difference between Reggie Johnson fighting James Toney and RJJ.

I know you haven't seen James Toney vs Michael Nunn, because everyone who says James Toney was getting dominated. And got a lucky punch have just read articles or just looked on boxrec, and see the scorecards and thats not what actually happened.

What happened was that James Toney did lose alot of the early rounds, but he was hurt by nothing Michael Nunn landed. Then i think it was after the 6th round or 7th round, James Toney won every round and going into the 11th round, he had won 4 rounds on the trot.

And he was only behind by 2 rounds at most, and Michael Nunn was starting to tire. And you could actually see the KO was coming, it wasn't a lucky punch at all and James Toney still could of earned a draw or even won.

The reason why when you look on boxrec, that the scorecards are wide. Is because it was in Michael Nunn's hometown. But in truth it was a close fight and James Toney was coming on strong, and Michael Nunn started to fade badly.

Lastly let me also tell you another fact, you may not of known. That was James Toney's first world title shot, so he was still inexperienced. And he was fighting a 6'3 P4P number 3 world champion, who was at that time considered to be a future ATG. And lets also remember theres rumours. That RJJ even avoided Michael Nunn, and for good reason because Michael Nunn would of gave him fits.

Actually Ive seen all the fights i mentioned. And Toney struggled with sosa only managed a SD even with the flash KD and point deduction. TOneys swas beaten twice by Montell Griffith if that's not struggling with I don't know what is. Roy was about to stop montel griffith in the first fight. And hometown or not Toney was losing the nunn fight because he was being outboxed.

And this is pointless discussion because as I said before when roy went up to HW he still had the same skills that set them apart anyway, toney would have been pot shot to death at heavy weight and even in the smw weight fight he landed flush on jones and jones took it standing up. jones would win.

But you clearly haven't seen James Toney vs Merqui Sosa. Because you wouldn't be saying, it was anywhere close to a MD. James Toney won the first 6 rounds easy as pie, he took a few rounds off and he maybe lost 3 rounds at most. Then he started using his jab and he controlled the fight again, infact i'll put this fight on here. And i'll make a thread about it, and lets see if anyone thinks it was close.

And again you clearly haven't seen both Montel Griffin fights, and your just basing it off looking at the scorecards. The first fight was close but many people thought James Toney just nicked it, and as i said RJJ was having all sorts out problems with Montel Griffin. Until he finally caught up with him. No real different to James Toney, except RJJ managed to catch up to him eventually.

In the rematch both men beat him comfortably, yes RJJ done it more convincingly with an impressive 1st round KO. But points wise James Toney easily won atleast 7-4-1 or 8-4. The commentators were calling BS, and so was i it was a clear robbery. And anyone who has seen the fight knows it is.

And again your basing this off two much at happened at 168, firstly James Toney was a weight-drained mess. And he has often had weight problems and looked terrible. We are on about a healthy James Toney, and we are on about at Heavyweight. A 193 pounds RJJ vs 217 pounds James Toney.

And you honestly don't think a 100 percent James Toney, wouldn't have a good chance at KO'ing RJJ ?

Okay then we're talking about the roy that fought ruiz, before he was knocked out? Then roy would do the same thing to toney that he did to him at 168. what I'm trying to figure out is how someone can say toney would kayo jones when at that point he'd never been near a kayo? Toney would have been a stationary target for jones at HW.