Bradley vs Campbell

[bzkfn]

In all fairness, and I don't like Nate that much, if he was really "seeing spots" it could possibly have been something internal. Not saying that happened, just saying I don't think there's an eye doctor on this thread and its not like its not totally out of the realm of possibility.

He did seem clearly affected by it in the round.

Or he could have read the signs and gotten the fuck out of there, I don't know. I'm willing to give a guy who's been a real fighter for a long time some benefit of the doubt. Dude has always shown toughness, Nate Campbell and the word pussy shouldn't really be used together.

To be fair though, the guy has bitched since the Diaz fight that everyone is ducking him, he doesn't get the big paydays he deserves and has claimed on many occasion that he has more heart than most fighters. You can't come out mouthing off to the media and then look for a way out when the cards are stacked. Like I said earlier, Cotto had a monster cut against Clottey and could have bitched out, but he continued on. Nate claims he's a real warrior, but real warriors don't do what he did in the ring tonight. He should've let the referee or the doctor decide.

Well, personally I think this cut was worse than Cotto's, as it was right on the eyelid & more central (as in nearer his nose). Ignoring that Cotto also had a major point to prove to everyone after he quit against Margarito. He knew better than anyone that had he found a way out early against Clottey that it could be used to support Margarito's 'innocence' & that he would forever be known as a fighter who lacked heart. Campbell has done more than enough over his career to show that he is a real warrior. & if you listen to the corner he does try & let the doctor decide, when asked if he wants to carry on, he says yes.

Didn't Nate have something to prove after failing to make weight last time? He was critical of Guzman for not making weight, then didn't himself. Next after all the talk he looked for the easy way out. He comes across very hypocritical. I've had alot of respect for Nate in the past but I lost a fair bit tonight. I just think if he'd gone out on his shield, he'd put himself in a better position with the fans, Showtime & other fighters. This way he's left himself with few options. You know that if the boot was on the other foot and it'd been Bradley who backed out, Nate would be bad mouthing him to anyone who'd listen.

[Spicoli]

This sux.I think Nate is a warrior,come on hes payed his dues. in a crazy way might be seeing a 37 yr old fighter who has had some shite circumstances caught up in quick realization...and I dont mean in a yellow streek manner but seeing it all come to an end one final time.This fight has me very Cybil.

[rocky55]

Yeah, I guess there's never been a cut like that before, and the fighter continuing to fight. They all quit with a cut like that, my bad.

i'll try to find a pic

No need to find a pic, I'd seen it plain as day, and I know the blood was going into his eye, but I've seen worse cuts than that where the fighter continued on.

the cut is not long but it's reported as deep gash. i found one pic posted below.

[JazMerkin]

To be fair though, the guy has bitched since the Diaz fight that everyone is ducking him, he doesn't get the big paydays he deserves and has claimed on many occasion that he has more heart than most fighters. You can't come out mouthing off to the media and then look for a way out when the cards are stacked. Like I said earlier, Cotto had a monster cut against Clottey and could have bitched out, but he continued on. Nate claims he's a real warrior, but real warriors don't do what he did in the ring tonight. He should've let the referee or the doctor decide.

Well, personally I think this cut was worse than Cotto's, as it was right on the eyelid & more central (as in nearer his nose). Ignoring that Cotto also had a major point to prove to everyone after he quit against Margarito. He knew better than anyone that had he found a way out early against Clottey that it could be used to support Margarito's 'innocence' & that he would forever be known as a fighter who lacked heart. Campbell has done more than enough over his career to show that he is a real warrior. & if you listen to the corner he does try & let the doctor decide, when asked if he wants to carry on, he says yes.

Didn't Nate have something to prove after failing to make weight last time? He was critical of Guzman for not making weight, then didn't himself. Next after all the talk he looked for the easy way out. He comes across very hypocritical. I've had alot of respect for Nate in the past but I lost a fair bit tonight. I just think if he'd gone out on his shield, he'd put himself in a better position with the fans, Showtime & other fighters. This way he's left himself with few options. You know that if the boot was on the other foot and it'd been Bradley who backed out, Nate would be bad mouthing him to anyone who'd listen.

I don't agree with that. After failing to make the weight he apologized to Funeka & the fans & admitted it was unprofessional. He also didn't criticize Guzman for not making weight, he criticized him after Guzman chose not to fight at the weights they were at (ie Guzman slightly above the Light-Welter limit).

The idea that him going out on his shield makes him more attractive for decent money fights is an odd one. The fact is with the way the boxing business is now, a defeat to Bradley would have left him out in the cold (I do think he would have lost the fight btw, I'm not claiming that it was his). How interested is anyone in seeing Kendall Holt fight again after losing to Bradley & he dropped him twice.

I think one thing you can say about Campbell is that he's honest. If Bradley had gone with the same thing, I don't think Campbell would have bad-mouthed him at all, although doubtless those corrupt shits Shaw & King would have swapped viewpoints.

[Violent Demise]

i'll try to find a pic

No need to find a pic, I'd seen it plain as day, and I know the blood was going into his eye, but I've seen worse cuts than that where the fighter continued on.

the cut is not long but it's reported as deep gash. i found one pic posted below.

That cut would bleed into his eye.

[Diane]

No need to find a pic, I'd seen it plain as day, and I know the blood was going into his eye, but I've seen worse cuts than that where the fighter continued on.

the cut is not long but it's reported as deep gash. i found one pic posted below.

That cut would bleed into his eye.

I know, I already said that, but others have gone on with cuts like that, is all I'm saying.

Let me ask this, Campbell was dedicating this fight in part to Gatti, do you think Gatti would have quit with a cut like that? I think not.

[BoomBoom]

Here is my only criticism: Nate has said time and time again that Guzman was a coward for not fighting him despite a weight disadvantage. Tonight Nate was at a disadvantage and he quit the second he got back to the corner. He could have kept fighting but he was banking on NC. This fight was just like Rahman-Toney 2. I have no problem with his argument, in fact, he is right, it should have been ruled a NC. BUT, he did quit. Also, there is no doubt in my mind that Bradley was on his was to winning the fight.

Unfortunately for Campbell, his didnt fight like a guy on his last leg and it will be very hard for Nate to get a big fight now as his value as dropped imo. From what we did see of him, he didnt appear to be a real threat to someone like Pacquiao or Kahn even. Bradley deserves credit reguardless because he was coming on strong and fought a determined fight.

[Galaxy]

Disappointed with the way it ended, I expected more from Campbell! I'm not really interested in seeing a rematch although this fight was inconclusive, Nate had his chance & bailed... if he wants another shot he's gotta earn it imo

[Majesty]

The hate Nate Campbell is getting for stopping with the cut is funny to me. Where were these people when Barerra was fighting Khan? That were saying that Barerra should have backed out of the fight and that the cut was terrible and how Khan should get no credit whatsoever.

Now Bradley gets no criticism whatsoever in fact now Campbell is getting a lot of flack for pulling out.

This double standard in boxing annoys me. On one hand you have a fighter not do it and you bash him and his opponent for it, and on this hand you have a fighter that does it and you say he isn't a warrior and you've lost respect?

Which one is it gonna be?

[Gandalf]

The hate Nate Campbell is getting for stopping with the cut is funny to me. Where were these people when Barerra was fighting Khan? That were saying that Barerra should have backed out of the fight and that the cut was terrible and how Khan should get no credit whatsoever.

Now Bradley gets no criticism whatsoever in fact now Campbell is getting a lot of flack for pulling out.

This double standard in boxing annoys me. On one hand you have a fighter not do it and you bash him and his opponent for it, and on this hand you have a fighter that does it and you say he isn't a warrior and you've lost respect?

Which one is it gonna be?

I agree it should have been a NC. The only difference is that there were two clean rounds prior and I didn't see Campbell in the fight at all. He got the butt and wanted out immediately. In that sense I see it more like Toney:Rahman 2 than Barrera:Khan.

[Majesty]

The hate Nate Campbell is getting for stopping with the cut is funny to me. Where were these people when Barerra was fighting Khan? That were saying that Barerra should have backed out of the fight and that the cut was terrible and how Khan should get no credit whatsoever.

Now Bradley gets no criticism whatsoever in fact now Campbell is getting a lot of flack for pulling out.

This double standard in boxing annoys me. On one hand you have a fighter not do it and you bash him and his opponent for it, and on this hand you have a fighter that does it and you say he isn't a warrior and you've lost respect?

Which one is it gonna be?

I agree it should have been a NC. The only difference is that there were two clean rounds prior and I didn't see Campbell in the fight at all. He got the butt and wanted out immediately. In that sense I see it more like Toney:Rahman 2 than Barrera:Khan.

You know for some reason I knew that if I mentioned that fight you'd be the one replying to me

[Galaxy]

The hate Nate Campbell is getting for stopping with the cut is funny to me. Where were these people when Barerra was fighting Khan? That were saying that Barerra should have backed out of the fight and that the cut was terrible and how Khan should get no credit whatsoever.

Now Bradley gets no criticism whatsoever in fact now Campbell is getting a lot of flack for pulling out.

This double standard in boxing annoys me. On one hand you have a fighter not do it and you bash him and his opponent for it, and on this hand you have a fighter that does it and you say he isn't a warrior and you've lost respect?

Which one is it gonna be?

I haven't lost respect for Campbell, I just expected more from such a seasoned veteran, especially in such an important stage of his career. He's one of my favs but he may have made things hard on himself for the near future...

[Hulk]

It was a crappy ending to what was supposed to be a great fight.

The referee was worthless, and the cut was caused by an accidental butt and thus the result should have been a NC and not a TKO win for Bradley.

BUT Campbell asked for the fight to be stop and quit. And anytime you quit in the other guys hometown, knowing that the referee never confirmed that the cut was from an accidental clash of heads, well you are risking getting screwed.

There is still a chance the commission could over turn this like they did with the Rahman vs. Toney fight.

[Gandalf]

The hate Nate Campbell is getting for stopping with the cut is funny to me. Where were these people when Barerra was fighting Khan? That were saying that Barerra should have backed out of the fight and that the cut was terrible and how Khan should get no credit whatsoever.

Now Bradley gets no criticism whatsoever in fact now Campbell is getting a lot of flack for pulling out.

This double standard in boxing annoys me. On one hand you have a fighter not do it and you bash him and his opponent for it, and on this hand you have a fighter that does it and you say he isn't a warrior and you've lost respect?

Which one is it gonna be?

I agree it should have been a NC. The only difference is that there were two clean rounds prior and I didn't see Campbell in the fight at all. He got the butt and wanted out immediately. In that sense I see it more like Toney:Rahman 2 than Barrera:Khan.

You know for some reason I knew that if I mentioned that fight you'd be the one replying to me

I see the obvious similarities between the fights though, it's all a damn shame because it had all the makings of a decent fight really. Hopefully there will be a rematch.

[global]

At some point they said the doctor advised the fight to be stopped because of bleeding behind the eye, and Nate was saying he couldn't see out the eye. I don't think he meant because of the cut bleeding into the eye. I just hope that it turns out to be alright. From what I saw in the fight though Campbell has either gotten really old overnight or was really rusty. I don't know that the time off before a rematch is going to do him much good.