Andrade - Bute II

[killersheep]

the ibf clearly states that the fighter has to be able to continue, but i can see the ref's point in not wanting to take a win away from bute given the circumstance. It was just good luck on bute's part but bad luck on andrade's part. Since andrade got lucky enough to get a second chance, he has to finish what he started, preferably in the early rounds.

Where do they say it?

6. The bell will not save a boxer in any round of the bout. If a boxer is "downed" just before the 3-minute bell in any round, the referee's count shall continue and the bell will not ring until the boxer rises and his hands clear the floor.

http://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/userf...ut%20Rules.pdf

As soon as Bute's hands cleared the floor, the round (and thus the fight) were over. It says nothing about his ability to continue.

That rule is one of the most vague in boxing. So he could just rest on his paunches & keep his hands up & he'd be up??

The fight should have been stopped prior to the KD when Bute almost fell over the ropes. However, it's interesting to note the difference in timing when Andrade was 'knocked down'. If Wright had applied the same type of count, (ie fast) than Bute would have been counted out. There's a vid on youtube that shows Wright's performance throughout the fight, although I wouldn't watch if you don't want to become more disillusioned with boxing

alright, I'm interested do you have a link to the video?

[JazMerkin]

Where do they say it?

6. The bell will not save a boxer in any round of the bout. If a boxer is "downed" just before the 3-minute bell in any round, the referee's count shall continue and the bell will not ring until the boxer rises and his hands clear the floor.

http://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/userf...ut%20Rules.pdf

As soon as Bute's hands cleared the floor, the round (and thus the fight) were over. It says nothing about his ability to continue.

That rule is one of the most vague in boxing. So he could just rest on his paunches & keep his hands up & he'd be up??

The fight should have been stopped prior to the KD when Bute almost fell over the ropes. However, it's interesting to note the difference in timing when Andrade was 'knocked down'. If Wright had applied the same type of count, (ie fast) than Bute would have been counted out. There's a vid on youtube that shows Wright's performance throughout the fight, although I wouldn't watch if you don't want to become more disillusioned with boxing

alright, I'm interested do you have a link to the video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPPM5GVe3yc

[killersheep]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGM6WAfosj0

What interests me the most are Wright's own words in the interview.

"Alright he's out on his feet" - Wright

"Andrade cost himself a knockout win by leaving the corner" - Wright

"Bute would not have got up on time?" - Farhood
"That's right" - Wright

Not to rehash the old argument, but I still maintain the fight should have been stopped before the knockdown, because cleary Bute was

A) Unable stand unaided

and

B) Unable to defend himself


In the final round of a championship fight I can't think of a point that's more dangerous for Bute.

[Gandalf]

I hope Andrade wins this. Andrade deserved to win the first IMO, hopefully he will be a bit dirty and rough Bute up and get to him earlier this time. Bute will try to be poncy, but Andrade should just put an elbow in his eye and hack him down.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

andrade will have to hope bute tires. Although he did hurt bute in the 4th or 5th round and of course the ref made sure bute was given time to recover from that.

[thewhale]

That was worse than I remember, I was so mad about the last count I forgot how fast he counted when Andrade fell, to bad for Bute he couldn´t make it 10 in "TIME", but Marlon gave it his best shoot .

Thx for that vid, eventhough I am disgusted with the ref.

wonder who is going to be ref. in the rematch, mayBE we will se Marlon in disguise

[killersheep]

That was worse than I remember, I was so mad about the last count I forgot how fast he counted when Andrade fell, to bad for Bute he couldn´t make it 10 in "TIME", but Marlon gave it his best shoot .

Thx for that vid, eventhough I am disgusted with the ref.

wonder who is going to be ref. in the rematch, mayBE we will se Marlon in disguise

I bet they will try to find the most "fair but firm" ref out there.

[ICB]

People hate on Lucian Bute alot but the fact is, he was making Librado Andrade look stupid until he mistakenly. Brawled in the last round, which almost cost him but didn't. He got up in time 8 and a half seconds, he got up before 10 clearly. And whether or not Marlon Wright wouldn't have gone over to Librado Andrade.

It would of made no difference, because there was no time left in the round, which is what people are forgetting. The extra seconds Lucian Bute got made no difference what so ever.

Because there was no time left in the round, he went down with 3 seconds left, and by the time he got up the round was over. So all he had to do was stand up and answer the ref, which he did.

I really don't think Lucian Bute gets enough credit, for showing great heart for getting up or his boxing display over Librado Andrade, which was impressive.

He also has some good underrated wins over fighters, like Kabary Salem who floored Joe Calzaghe heavily and went 12 rounds with Joe Calzaghe. Or against Sakio Bika who won The Contender, and gave Joe Calzaghe a very rough night, Lucian Bute beat him more convincingly than Joe Calzaghe.

Lucian Bute is a very good fighter and i've been saying, he is the darkhorse of the division for awhile. Lucian Bute should get alot of credit for taking this rematch, yet i don't see anyone giving him credit at all which is a damn shame.