Lyle's, Pick'em Hypothetical Fights

[ICB]

OK guys, I have done any number of hypothetical fight threads but this one imparticular is me trying my damnedest to make the seemingly most even matchups you could ever have....alright here I go.

Tommy Hearns-Shane Mosely 147- Sure Tommy has all the tools to beat Shane Mosley, height, size, power, strength, but Shane in return has all the tools to beat Tommy, a chin, stamina, power, fast flurries of punches.

Salvador Sanchez-Julio Cesar Chavez 130/135- OK Sanchez is a bit of a myth as we now know him, but he was GREAT, powerful, great workrate, but he was also everything Julio Cesar Chavez was as well.

Mike Tyson-Riddick Bowe- OK in his Prime Tyson could handle ANYONE, and while he did have SOME trouble with guys like Tony Tucker he still won. Riddick Bowe had the size and the skill set to easily beat Tyson but was he mentally tough enough to fight a perfect fight because if you as the taller man, give up the inside to Tyson you are DONE.

Roberto Duran-Alexis Arguello 135- Two big powerful and skilled fighters, both with no quit in them (at least at 135 for Duran). Duran was THE GREATEST at 135, but Arguello was one tough cookie.

That's all I can think of for now, but I will have more later on.

Tommy Hearns v Shane Mosley - both top fighters but if Mosley gets floored by Vern Forrest , and struggles with Oscar's jab , then the HITMAN knocks him out inside 4 rounds for me.
Hearns KO4

Sanchez v JC Chavez - both amazing fighters but over 15 rounds i give it to Sanchez , as he is slightly more adaptable as a fighter than Chavez.
Sanchez split points 15

Bowe v Tyson - Bowes chin lets him down in this one , Tyson chops him down inside 2 rounds.
Tyson TKO 2

Duran v Arguello - An interesting fight indeed , but i would lean towards Duran to score a TKO in about round 12-13.
Duran TKO 13.

(1) Shane suffered a concussion from the headbutt sustained moments before he was caught with a nice right hand by vernon, and still managed to avoid being stopped. Only been down once in his career, only seriously hurt that one time as well against 50 pro fights with a who's who's of his generation. NEVER BEEN STOPPED.

Hearns stopped by barkley,SRL, and hagler. Knocked down a hand full of times. Yet somehow he would manage to stop SHANE

At 147 Shane puts hearns to sleep late by crowding and over powering him all night. That's the not even prime shane. The shane that fought Oscar in the first fight would destroy any version of hearns.

(2) Bowe who has never been stopped, out fought evander twice. (which probably shortened his career) against tyson who only came to fight when he knew his opponent was beaten before the fight. He lost to everyone from his generation. KO'ed in his prime against douglass. Probably the most overrated heavy of all time. Would lose a UD to Bowe.

as far as the others..

I take JCC over sanchez

and duran over arguello...Alexis didn't have the pop to keep duran off of him and would have been stopped late.

Alexis Arguello didn't have the pop to keep Roberto Duran off ? are you kidding me ? Alexis Arguello was a great puncher who still hit very hard at Lightweight, and it would be the hardest puncher Roberto Duran fought at Lightweight.

[OumaFan]

Hearns clear UD
Sanchez close decision
Bowe TKO
Duran closeish decision.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Tommy Hearns v Shane Mosley - both top fighters but if Mosley gets floored by Vern Forrest , and struggles with Oscar's jab , then the HITMAN knocks him out inside 4 rounds for me.
Hearns KO4

Sanchez v JC Chavez - both amazing fighters but over 15 rounds i give it to Sanchez , as he is slightly more adaptable as a fighter than Chavez.
Sanchez split points 15

Bowe v Tyson - Bowes chin lets him down in this one , Tyson chops him down inside 2 rounds.
Tyson TKO 2

Duran v Arguello - An interesting fight indeed , but i would lean towards Duran to score a TKO in about round 12-13.
Duran TKO 13.

(1) Shane suffered a concussion from the headbutt sustained moments before he was caught with a nice right hand by vernon, and still managed to avoid being stopped. Only been down once in his career, only seriously hurt that one time as well against 50 pro fights with a who's who's of his generation. NEVER BEEN STOPPED.

Hearns stopped by barkley,SRL, and hagler. Knocked down a hand full of times. Yet somehow he would manage to stop SHANE

At 147 Shane puts hearns to sleep late by crowding and over powering him all night. That's the not even prime shane. The shane that fought Oscar in the first fight would destroy any version of hearns.

(2) Bowe who has never been stopped, out fought evander twice. (which probably shortened his career) against tyson who only came to fight when he knew his opponent was beaten before the fight. He lost to everyone from his generation. KO'ed in his prime against douglass. Probably the most overrated heavy of all time. Would lose a UD to Bowe.

as far as the others..

I take JCC over sanchez

and duran over arguello...Alexis didn't have the pop to keep duran off of him and would have been stopped late.

Alexis Arguello didn't have the pop to keep Roberto Duran off ? are you kidding me ? Alexis Arguello was a great puncher who still hit very hard at Lightweight, and it would be the hardest puncher Roberto Duran fought at Lightweight.

Alexis had pop, but duran was too strong down there, just like shane. Not to mention duran was faster at that weight, not faster than alexis but duran's skillset was maxed at lightweight, he took shots from legitimate WWs and MWs, arguello was stopped twice by a JMW...

[ICB]

(1) Shane suffered a concussion from the headbutt sustained moments before he was caught with a nice right hand by vernon, and still managed to avoid being stopped. Only been down once in his career, only seriously hurt that one time as well against 50 pro fights with a who's who's of his generation. NEVER BEEN STOPPED.

Hearns stopped by barkley,SRL, and hagler. Knocked down a hand full of times. Yet somehow he would manage to stop SHANE

At 147 Shane puts hearns to sleep late by crowding and over powering him all night. That's the not even prime shane. The shane that fought Oscar in the first fight would destroy any version of hearns.

(2) Bowe who has never been stopped, out fought evander twice. (which probably shortened his career) against tyson who only came to fight when he knew his opponent was beaten before the fight. He lost to everyone from his generation. KO'ed in his prime against douglass. Probably the most overrated heavy of all time. Would lose a UD to Bowe.

as far as the others..

I take JCC over sanchez

and duran over arguello...Alexis didn't have the pop to keep duran off of him and would have been stopped late.

Alexis Arguello didn't have the pop to keep Roberto Duran off ? are you kidding me ? Alexis Arguello was a great puncher who still hit very hard at Lightweight, and it would be the hardest puncher Roberto Duran fought at Lightweight.

Alexis had pop, but duran was too strong down there, just like shane. Not to mention duran was faster at that weight, not faster than alexis but duran's skillset was maxed at lightweight, he took shots from legitimate WWs and MWs, arguello was stopped twice by a JMW...

Alexis Arguello was past his prime against Aaron Pryor, we are talking about a prime Alexis Arguello here. And Aaron Pryor's 1st win over Alexis Arguello is tainted.

Because Alexis Arguello seemed to be coming on, in the later rounds like he often did. Until Aaron Pryor had the mysterious black bottle, which gave him energy.

And secondly that has nothing to do with a match up, between Alexis Arguello/Roberto Duran at Lightweight. Also just because Roberto Duran moved up in weight, and took some good punches.

Doesn't mean Alexis Arguello couldn't hurt him, or possibly stop him. Remember Roberto Duran was dropped like a sack twice, against Esteban De Jesus at Lightweight who isn't that big of a puncher.

Plus Alexis Arguello has a big reach and height advantage, so he could catch Roberto Duran coming in at mid-distance where he done his best work. With his perfect straight right hands which could knockdown a brickwall.

Alexis Arguello loved fighters that come towards him, which is why after Roberto Duran gets hurt early by Alexis Arguello. He would box smart and win a closish decision IMO.

Im not saying Roberto Duran would lose, all im saying is that he couldn't just come forward walking through Alexis Arguello's, best punches especially with Alexis Arguello's big reach advantage. Plus he hits too hard and Roberto Duran would of found that out very early.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Alexis Arguello didn't have the pop to keep Roberto Duran off ? are you kidding me ? Alexis Arguello was a great puncher who still hit very hard at Lightweight, and it would be the hardest puncher Roberto Duran fought at Lightweight.

Alexis had pop, but duran was too strong down there, just like shane. Not to mention duran was faster at that weight, not faster than alexis but duran's skillset was maxed at lightweight, he took shots from legitimate WWs and MWs, arguello was stopped twice by a JMW...

Alexis Arguello was past his prime against Aaron Pryor, we are talking about a prime Alexis Arguello here. And Aaron Pryor's 1st win over Alexis Arguello is tainted.

Because Alexis Arguello seemed to be coming on, in the later rounds like he often did. Until Aaron Pryor had the mysterious black bottle, which gave him energy.

And secondly that has nothing to do with a match up, between Alexis Arguello/Roberto Duran at Lightweight. Also just because Roberto Duran moved up in weight, and took some good punches.

Doesn't mean Alexis Arguello couldn't hurt him, or possibly stop him. Remember Roberto Duran was dropped like a sack twice, against Esteban De Jesus at Lightweight who isn't that big of a puncher.

Plus Alexis Arguello has a big reach and height advantage, so he could catch Roberto Duran coming in at mid-distance where he done his best work. With his perfect straight right hands which could knockdown a brickwall.

Alexis Arguello loved fighters that come towards him, which is why after Roberto Duran gets hurt early by Alexis Arguello. He would box smart and win a closish decision IMO.

Im not saying Roberto Duran would lose, all im saying is that he couldn't just come forward walking through Alexis Arguello's, best punches especially with Alexis Arguello's big reach advantage. Plus he hits too hard and Roberto Duran would of found that out very early.

So who do you rate higher at LW all time Alexis or duran?

[El Kabong]

OK I thought of a few more (I'm going to have to think of maybe 5-10 before I post another set), but keep this debate going, I like it! Every point that is made about each of these fights I tend to switch sides...you guys are doing wonderfully backing up your points as well.

[El Kabong]

OK, I hate to re-use some of the fighters I have already mentioned but here it goes.

Ken Norton - Evander Holyfield: Both big strong awkward fighters who beat THE BEST fighter(s) of their era with Norton beating Ali and Evander beating Tyson and Lewis. Norton was seemingly only bothered by HUGE punchers like Foreman, Shavers, and Cooney...Evander could punch, but not that hard. I see a battle closer than the Bowe-Holyfield fights.

Joe Fazier - Riddick Bowe: Now of course Riddick was big and strong, but he was often lazy in the ring giving up his height and reach and Joe Frazier could take a punch, in fact he could take several, and nobody had more will in their body than he did and if Evander Holyfield could drop Bowe then I think it's a forgone conclusion that Frazier's left hook could do damage to Riddick.

Jersey Joe Walcott - James Toney (190-210): Jersey Joe and Toney were very slick fighters who were defensively sound yet provided solid offense and power.


More to come later

[Master]

Ken Norton - Evander Holyfield: Holyfield Pts.
Joe Fazier - Riddick Bowe: Bowe pts in an epic battle
Jersey Joe Walcott - James Toney (190-210): Jersey Joe too slick and experienced for Toney at this weight. He would not fall for the tricks of Toney as he invented most of them that Toney uses. Pts victory Walcott.

[El Kabong]

I've finally thought up some new fights

Vasiliy Jirov-Tomaz Adamek (cruiserweight) - I think Jirov was probably the best cruiserweight post-Holyfield and Adamek is coming closer to matching Jirov's domination with each passing fight. I think Jirov can hurt Adamek and end up winning the fight. Your thoughts?

Kelly Pavlik-Steve Collins (160) -Kelly has been in with several different types of fighters and he's been hurt by a guy like Jermain Taylor who has below average power and I think constant pressure applied by a guy like Steve Collins could burst Pavlik's pipes.

Joe Louis-Sonny Liston - An intriguing match between two of the most devistating power punchers the heavyweight division has ever seen. Louis was apt to get knocked down, but he was only stopped twice 1 gas out and 1 vicious KO at the hands of Rocky Marciano at the tail end of his career. Liston was easy to hit, but was very dangerous.

Felix Trinidad-Mike McCallum (154) - Both quality fighters who were excellent at what they did Tito with his power punching and McCallum with the work to the body. I am not sure how Trinidad would react to the body shots that Mac could dish out.

[Spicoli]

Nice ones Lyle.

Jirov/Adamek:Have to go with Jirov.Not a sharp straight right thats able to get to Adamek but just a rough and tumble fight.Both are far to willing to mix it up but Jirov cagey,mixes inside very well and that body work is an early investment.

Pavlik/Collins:Collins was a steady drip and as solid as they came.Way too much experience in deep fights for Kelly I believe.

Louis/Liston: Oh man this is just x rated.That jab would be hell on Louis early on and could see him being badly hurt.But in the end I think he finds a way and brings Liston some doubts with the late power surge for a win.

McCallum/Trinidad:Will not ever....eveeeeeeer bet against a primed Body snatcher at 154.Tito carried the weight well but McCallum would tie him in knots.Beard was very solid and could see him being countered repeatedly as he became more wide open for a McCallum TKO.