Who's higher P4P of all time

[Fenster]

1. Roy
2. Calzaghe
3. Hopkins

I don't think Hopkins beat anyone that Calzaghe and Jones (I don't think Roy would have lost to Tarver or Johnson had he not jumped up to heavyweight). would have been troubled by.

Hopkins lost twice to Taylor. I could never see a weak finisher like Taylor going 24 rounds with either Calzaghe or Roy. They would not need to be "prime" to KO him.

Finally, both Roy and Calzaghe beat Hopkins on the back of him showing top winning form before and after, so no real excuses. Hopkins ranks third of the three.

That's a sound logic so I would have it the same way.

You'd be right then. Fact.

[ICB]

Roy Jones Jr
Joe Calzaghe
B-Hop ?

Prime RJJ beat Prime Hopkins
Calzaghe beat an old Jones easy
Calzaghe beat an old Hopkins in a close fight

Tough call cause RJJ was better at his prime than both but Calzaaghe is undefeated and B-HOp is still one of the best at 43 while Jones is not nearly as good

For me its 1) RJJ 2) Hopkins 3) JOE C

Opinions...

RJJ never beat a prime Bernard Hopkins, Bernard Hopkins was still green remember he had no Amateur bouts. To my knowledge only prison boxing but whatever who cares. The fact is he was still learning his craft when he fought RJJ, he peaked in 1997 when he beat Glen Johnson.

As for the thread itself.

1 RJJ
2 Bernard Hopkins
3 Joe Calzaghe

[Tysonbruno]

1,Roy Jones

2,B hop

3,Calzaghe and he only made 3rd because these are the 3 names you gave because from Eubank to Lacy he did basically nothing to write home about. He would have been beaten easy by both Hopkins and Jones had Calzaghe fought them at there best. He only just beat an old Hopkins and i think Hopkins won and i think Jones wanted a pay day and wasnt going to beat Calzaghe no matter what i think he was gunna let Calzaghe win.

[Truth]

You can workout 2-3 times a day Naturally but you can't LIFT HEAVY more than once or twice every 2 days even if you split your days into upper body, lower body you need the rest to recover in between. There is no doubt in my mind RJJ did HGH before the Ruiz fight. Healthy weight gain is 1 kg per month which would equal 13 pounds still not 19. I could believe Roy could put on the weight but he'd have to lose speed and his aerobic conditioning which he didn't

[Truth]

You can workout 2-3 times a day Naturally but you can't LIFT HEAVY more than once or twice every 2 days even if you split your days into upper body, lower body you need the rest to recover in between. There is no doubt in my mind RJJ did HGH before the Ruiz fight. Healthy weight gain is 1 kg per month which would equal 13 pounds still not 19. I could believe Roy could put on the weight but he'd have to lose speed and his aerobic conditioning which he didn't

[Truth]

You can workout 2-3 times a day Naturally but you can't LIFT HEAVY more than once or twice every 2 days even if you split your days into upper body, lower body you need the rest to recover in between. There is no doubt in my mind RJJ did HGH before the Ruiz fight. Healthy weight gain is 1 kg per month which would equal 13 pounds still not 19. I could believe Roy could put on the weight but he'd have to lose speed and his aerobic conditioning which he didn't

[Truth]

You can workout 2-3 times a day Naturally but you can't LIFT HEAVY more than once or twice every 2 days even if you split your days into upper body, lower body you need the rest to recover in between. There is no doubt in my mind RJJ did HGH before the Ruiz fight. Healthy weight gain is 1 kg per month which would equal 13 pounds still not 19. I could believe Roy could put on the weight but he'd have to lose speed and his aerobic conditioning which he didn't

[ICB]

You can workout 2-3 times a day Naturally but you can't LIFT HEAVY more than once or twice every 2 days even if you split your days into upper body, lower body you need the rest to recover in between. There is no doubt in my mind RJJ did HGH before the Ruiz fight. Healthy weight gain is 1 kg per month which would equal 13 pounds still not 19. I could believe Roy could put on the weight but he'd have to lose speed and his aerobic conditioning which he didn't

Whats with the multiple posts in a row ?

[Truth]

You can workout 2-3 times a day Naturally but you can't LIFT HEAVY more than once or twice every 2 days even if you split your days into upper body, lower body you need the rest to recover in between. There is no doubt in my mind RJJ did HGH before the Ruiz fight. Healthy weight gain is 1 kg per month which would equal 13 pounds still not 19. I could believe Roy could put on the weight but he'd have to lose speed and his aerobic conditioning which he didn't. In Boxing you can't bulk up like that because of the amount of conditioning that is required.

[JonesJrMayweather]

You can workout 2-3 times a day Naturally but you can't LIFT HEAVY more than once or twice every 2 days even if you split your days into upper body, lower body you need the rest to recover in between. There is no doubt in my mind RJJ did HGH before the Ruiz fight. Healthy weight gain is 1 kg per month which would equal 13 pounds still not 19. I could believe Roy could put on the weight but he'd have to lose speed and his aerobic conditioning which he didn't. In Boxing you can't bulk up like that because of the amount of conditioning that is required.

Aerobic conditioning? He didn't need it in the ruiz fight because he fought at his own pace. Not to mention Shilstone cut his road workouts during the preparation for that fight.

Yeah that's who he had for his conditioning in that fight... MAckie Shilstone...so if roy used HGH then you're saying Shilstone is dirty which would make BHOP dirty too...

[Truth]

BHOP's body was very thick for a middleweight and he was walking around at around 168 between fights. therefore he put on about 10 lbs not to mention he was vegetarian to stay at middleweight and going on a meat eating diet would put weight on immediately. Also BHOP's neck circumference didn't blow up like Jones'. Putting on 10 lbs is tough but possible.

[Tysonbruno]

Ive been weight training 7 month and ive gone from 16stone 2lbs ( 226lbs) to 18 stone 1lbs ( 253lbs ) all Natural so you can gain more than 1kg per month as fenster would say FACT.