B Hop is Overrated

[DaxxKahn]

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[Kel]

His best wins were againsed smaller guys I've always said that, called him boring too. The Calzaghe fight play acting was just pathetic though, really it was embarrassing to watch a world class fighter try cheat like that.

The Pavlik fight was great though he put on a master class and I enjoyed the fight from start to finish, I wish he was that eager to fight in every fight.

[Beanflicker]

Dude, you can say what you want, you can pick apart all his fights and opponents, say he's dull, boring, a dirty fighter, ect ect ect. You can say whatever you want.

The bottom line is, this guy is 45 years old and he's whipping top class opposition.

Bernard is the picture of what a great prizefighter should be. He was not blessed with great athletic ability, he's not super fast and he was never a big puncher. He got a late start in boxing. But he showed what hard work, dedication, and DISCIPLINE can do for you.

Bhop is one of the greatest of all time, no question. Bernard has forgotten more than most boxers will ever know about the sweet science.

[RP33]

We should really have some sort of code as to how to judge a boxer by.. You can play devil's advocate on any type of situation, whether it be the fact that he lost TWICE to Jermain Taylor, and then JT gets knocked out by Pavlik and loses a decision to him the second time.. and then BHOP puts on a masterclass vs Pavlik.. So anyone could say that because he beat Pavlik, the guy who beat Taylor twice, one by KO, the same guy that beat BHOP that it was just a stylistic difference in Bhop vs JT that was why Bhop lost.. or you could say that Pavlik was tailor-made for Bhop..

Depends on which side of the fence you're coming from..

You can say that DLH was beating Bhop but that Bhop landed a "lucky" shot and KO'd him.. There are plenty of Great boxers who were bailed out by "lucky" punches for a KO later in the fight..

It's a 10-12 round fight, just because you lost X amount of rounds and then landed a "lucky" punch doesn't make the win any less of a win. When talking about legacies and resume's records you look at the win/loss column..

In comparison to the Froch/Taylor fight, JT had it on the cards then got KO'd.. I never said Froch didn't deserve to win, but if we're going to discuss the fight, i felt Froch was beatable and that JT COULD beat him in the future.. but i'm not going to take anything away from Froch for boxing 12 full rounds even though he lost a number of them.

Lay off the haterade!

[JonesJrMayweather]

This is funny...BHOP isn't overrated unless someone rates him higher than Jones..

[OumaFan]

He should be rated higher than Jones.

[JonesJrMayweather]

He should be rated higher than Jones.

based of what? certainly not opposition...certainly not because he beat pavlik...

Roy's comp was far better than bernard's...bernard only beat one legit HOF fighter...tito...the oscar fight im still convinced that was a dive.

[Andre]

To be fair the words over rated can be taken different ways depending on your emotion and respect towards who gets labeled with it.

With the words (by some) added to it and you have a different point.

I dont think he ment Bernard is total sh!t just he measured his way through some fights .

As did Roy Jones as did Calzage and many other champions too all measure their way through their career like choosen stepping stones.

Its no biggy, it is just forms of control both in and out of the ring they are all great fighters.

Like we just discussed about Lewis he was a very measuring fighter the whole time in the ring and some thought it was boring and he could do alot (better for us not for him) with more risks shown.

Its a tough game props to all in it , I say use what ever is legally available at the time to get the odds further on your side;but in saying that, full props to those who just want the hardest fights and come with it all laid on the line on the night too cause they are the best fightsby the best fighters.

Mosley comes to mind; greatest bring it all fighter, bar acouple of minor hiccups like fighting a friend once for warm up fight, but hey he still knocked him cold after he got enough of his warm up rounds in.

[Hunter]

I am by no means saying Hopkins wasnt a good fighter but I dont think he is an all time great or even close.

Before the Tarver fight no one wanted to see Hopkins cause most of the time he stunk the place out with his slow, take no risk style. This is one of the reason he made no money. An additional reason Hop was making no money is he wasnt fighting anyone of note (not his fault if there is no one at middle weight of note, but cleaning out a division of mid level talent doesnt make you great, just ask Wlad Klit ).

Tarver was a good victory but when you really look at Tarver you see he is a one hit wonder who caught Jones at the right time. Tarver subsequently lost to Glen Johnson and Dawson in addition to Hopkins so Tarver was obviously flawed.

Pavlik was also a good victory but it is what it is and that is a victory over a good fighter moving up in weight....

Whenever Hopkins fought top tier opposition at their natural weight he lost, Jones, Taylor, and Joe Cal. And quit saying Hopkins may have beat Joe in some eyes, if Hopkins hadnt rolled around on the ground and bought time from fake low blows he would have really taken a beating at the hands of Joe.......

Everyone has their opinion and this is mine.

[RP33]

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Is there a punchline to this thread?

I'm waiting for it also..

One of the points was "he's a dull fighter".. well sorry he doesn't entertain you, but he still wins.. Exciting has nothing to do with being overrated/underrated..

Same goes for being a "whiner" and being a "dirty fighter"..

Gatti was an exciting fighter, but he's on no P4P list.

Hopkins was by no means in his prime against Jones, and Jones still said it was one of his hardest fights.

He floored Calzaghe early and many believe he won that fight.. If he had won two more rounds, where some rounds could have gone eithe rway, down the stretch he would have won the fight.. Against the undefeated Joe Calzaghe, i wouldn't say that is overrated.