B Hop is Overrated

[Beanflicker]

Dude, you can say what you want, you can pick apart all his fights and opponents, say he's dull, boring, a dirty fighter, ect ect ect. You can say whatever you want.

The bottom line is, this guy is 45 years old and he's whipping top class opposition.

Bernard is the picture of what a great prizefighter should be. He was not blessed with great athletic ability, he's not super fast and he was never a big puncher. He got a late start in boxing. But he showed what hard work, dedication, and DISCIPLINE can do for you.

Bhop is one of the greatest of all time, no question. Bernard has forgotten more than most boxers will ever know about the sweet science.

[RP33]

We should really have some sort of code as to how to judge a boxer by.. You can play devil's advocate on any type of situation, whether it be the fact that he lost TWICE to Jermain Taylor, and then JT gets knocked out by Pavlik and loses a decision to him the second time.. and then BHOP puts on a masterclass vs Pavlik.. So anyone could say that because he beat Pavlik, the guy who beat Taylor twice, one by KO, the same guy that beat BHOP that it was just a stylistic difference in Bhop vs JT that was why Bhop lost.. or you could say that Pavlik was tailor-made for Bhop..

Depends on which side of the fence you're coming from..

You can say that DLH was beating Bhop but that Bhop landed a "lucky" shot and KO'd him.. There are plenty of Great boxers who were bailed out by "lucky" punches for a KO later in the fight..

It's a 10-12 round fight, just because you lost X amount of rounds and then landed a "lucky" punch doesn't make the win any less of a win. When talking about legacies and resume's records you look at the win/loss column..

In comparison to the Froch/Taylor fight, JT had it on the cards then got KO'd.. I never said Froch didn't deserve to win, but if we're going to discuss the fight, i felt Froch was beatable and that JT COULD beat him in the future.. but i'm not going to take anything away from Froch for boxing 12 full rounds even though he lost a number of them.

Lay off the haterade!

[JonesJrMayweather]

This is funny...BHOP isn't overrated unless someone rates him higher than Jones..

[OumaFan]

He should be rated higher than Jones.

[JonesJrMayweather]

He should be rated higher than Jones.

based of what? certainly not opposition...certainly not because he beat pavlik...

Roy's comp was far better than bernard's...bernard only beat one legit HOF fighter...tito...the oscar fight im still convinced that was a dive.

[OumaFan]

Because he beat Pavlik Even I laugh but lets face it that was a "Pavlik is gonna end his career...oh wait Pavlik sucks" type of fight.

Why was Roy's comp far better? Toney helps but it doesn't make it far better.

You think Oscar was a dive? Why even bring that up, its not an arguable point. I think Bernard Hopkins had swine flu and bad socks in the first Roy fight, there were even.

Hopkins if anything played nice with Oscar. Although I just found out today he was getting worked before the stoppage so I don't know

Roy certainly had the edge for a while but Hopkins has passed him over the last ten fights or so IMO. Its not like I think putting Roy ahead of him is some egregious error, its debatable.

[rjj tszyu]

Because he beat Pavlik Even I laugh but lets face it that was a "Pavlik is gonna end his career...oh wait Pavlik sucks" type of fight.

Why was Roy's comp far better? Toney helps but it doesn't make it far better.

You think Oscar was a dive? Why even bring that up, its not an arguable point. I think Bernard Hopkins had swine flu and bad socks in the first Roy fight, there were even.

Hopkins if anything played nice with Oscar. Although I just found out today he was getting worked before the stoppage so I don't know

Roy certainly had the edge for a while but Hopkins has passed him over the last ten fights or so IMO. Its not like I think putting Roy ahead of him is some egregious error, its debatable.

For me Roys wins over people like McCallum, Hill, Johnson, Woods, Pazienza, Toney, HOPKINS, Griffin, Malinga and Ruiz put him ahead of Hopkins in Competition, not through any fault of Hopkins', just that his division was quite weak whilst he was ruling and he was so good. Maybe he should have gone through the classes like Jones but would he have had the same success? Well he lost his first ever fight and that was at LHW and he sacked all his team after for putting him in at the weight, so maybe he wasn't ready until he got older and bigger naturally. Also he would never have got the 20 defences if he had and therefore not have become the most dominant MW ever!

[JonesJrMayweather]

Because he beat Pavlik Even I laugh but lets face it that was a "Pavlik is gonna end his career...oh wait Pavlik sucks" type of fight.

Why was Roy's comp far better? Toney helps but it doesn't make it far better.

You think Oscar was a dive? Why even bring that up, its not an arguable point. I think Bernard Hopkins had swine flu and bad socks in the first Roy fight, there were even.

Hopkins if anything played nice with Oscar. Although I just found out today he was getting worked before the stoppage so I don't know

Roy certainly had the edge for a while but Hopkins has passed him over the last ten fights or so IMO. Its not like I think putting Roy ahead of him is some egregious error, its debatable.

Not a dive because oscar was better, but it seems a little weird the way oscar responded to the liver shot, i have never seen a fighter take a shot to the liver and roll around like an epileptic in an earthquake. Liver shots usually freeze you.

And whoever said bhop was being worked wasnt watching the fight, the actual outcome Kayo, was eventually coming bhop was withering delahoya. Plus hoya was down on all the scorecards any how...