B Hop is Overrated

[OumaFan]

Because he beat Pavlik Even I laugh but lets face it that was a "Pavlik is gonna end his career...oh wait Pavlik sucks" type of fight.

Why was Roy's comp far better? Toney helps but it doesn't make it far better.

You think Oscar was a dive? Why even bring that up, its not an arguable point. I think Bernard Hopkins had swine flu and bad socks in the first Roy fight, there were even.

Hopkins if anything played nice with Oscar. Although I just found out today he was getting worked before the stoppage so I don't know

Roy certainly had the edge for a while but Hopkins has passed him over the last ten fights or so IMO. Its not like I think putting Roy ahead of him is some egregious error, its debatable.

[rjj tszyu]

Because he beat Pavlik Even I laugh but lets face it that was a "Pavlik is gonna end his career...oh wait Pavlik sucks" type of fight.

Why was Roy's comp far better? Toney helps but it doesn't make it far better.

You think Oscar was a dive? Why even bring that up, its not an arguable point. I think Bernard Hopkins had swine flu and bad socks in the first Roy fight, there were even.

Hopkins if anything played nice with Oscar. Although I just found out today he was getting worked before the stoppage so I don't know

Roy certainly had the edge for a while but Hopkins has passed him over the last ten fights or so IMO. Its not like I think putting Roy ahead of him is some egregious error, its debatable.

For me Roys wins over people like McCallum, Hill, Johnson, Woods, Pazienza, Toney, HOPKINS, Griffin, Malinga and Ruiz put him ahead of Hopkins in Competition, not through any fault of Hopkins', just that his division was quite weak whilst he was ruling and he was so good. Maybe he should have gone through the classes like Jones but would he have had the same success? Well he lost his first ever fight and that was at LHW and he sacked all his team after for putting him in at the weight, so maybe he wasn't ready until he got older and bigger naturally. Also he would never have got the 20 defences if he had and therefore not have become the most dominant MW ever!

[JonesJrMayweather]

Because he beat Pavlik Even I laugh but lets face it that was a "Pavlik is gonna end his career...oh wait Pavlik sucks" type of fight.

Why was Roy's comp far better? Toney helps but it doesn't make it far better.

You think Oscar was a dive? Why even bring that up, its not an arguable point. I think Bernard Hopkins had swine flu and bad socks in the first Roy fight, there were even.

Hopkins if anything played nice with Oscar. Although I just found out today he was getting worked before the stoppage so I don't know

Roy certainly had the edge for a while but Hopkins has passed him over the last ten fights or so IMO. Its not like I think putting Roy ahead of him is some egregious error, its debatable.

Not a dive because oscar was better, but it seems a little weird the way oscar responded to the liver shot, i have never seen a fighter take a shot to the liver and roll around like an epileptic in an earthquake. Liver shots usually freeze you.

And whoever said bhop was being worked wasnt watching the fight, the actual outcome Kayo, was eventually coming bhop was withering delahoya. Plus hoya was down on all the scorecards any how...

[JonnyFolds]

Ya I said he was getting worked. I retract my statement. he was beating that drum. My fault. I only saw the last round.

And WTF is up with the liver shot?? He stayed on teh canvas for 3 minutes. Then got up and smiled and laughed about getting KOed? huh? I was pretty sure DLH had forgotten whata prizefighter is supposed to act like.

[OumaFan]

I don't have a problem with saying Roy had better comp, he probably did although he had a whole lot of nobodies but he didn't have far better comp. A couple of those Hall of Fame wins weren't really big wins, even though he still knew what he was doing that was an old and way past his best weight McCallum and much more so in Paz' case. Montell Griffin was a better win than those. That and Winky is a HOFer for what its worth.

Bit of an aside but I wouldn't rule out Tarver for the Hall.

[JonesJrMayweather]

[quote=OumaFan;777033]I don't have a problem with saying Roy had better comp, he probably did although he had a whole lot of nobodies but he didn't have far better comp. A couple of those Hall of Fame wins weren't really big wins, even though he still knew what he was doing that was an old and way past his best weight McCallum and much more so in Paz' case. Montell Griffin was a better win than those. That and Winky is a HOFer for what its worth.

Bit of an aside but I wouldn't rule out Tarver for the Hall. [/quote]

Then so are Rahman and McCall.

[OumaFan]

Nah, there are guys in the hall that don't have better than Jones X 2, Glen Johnson once (probably should have been twice), Montell Griffin, Eric Harding. Well and Eric Harding. Not many but I can think of a few. He's also only lost to really good fighters. Well, and Eric Harding, a good fighter at the time.

I'm not nominating him. Don't think he should get in. But just saying, stranger things have happened.