How skilled is Wladimir Klitschko really?

[El Kabong]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO_sWnawpU4

What was that you were saying about the left hook?

Also in the begining of this thread you implied that if someone had Floyd Patterson's skill set they would beat Wladimir Klitschko....obviously you know fuck all about boxing. The Cus D'Mato/Floyd Patterson/Mike Tyson method of boxing does have weaknesses and what Wladimir uses to his advantage exploits those weaknesses. I bring to your attention the fighters who caused that style of boxing the most trouble....

#1 James 'Buster' Douglas....used height, reach, size, and mobility vs the previously undefeated 'Iron' Mike Tyson and basically took Mike to school and don't anyone give me that old "Well Mike didn't have Rooney" bullshit Mike could have had Jesus in his corner and it wouldn't have helped him.

#2 Alexis Arguello, oh yes El Flaco Explosivo demolished one Kevin Rooney who used that very same style. Height + Reach + Power = KO win for Arguello.

#3 Tony Tucker, tall, lanky, used height and reach and had he not broken his hand early on in the bout perhaps he could have beaten Tyson. Tucker didn't win but he gave Tyson all kinds of trouble.

The other fighters who gave that style trouble were the fighters who didn't put up with the bullying/rough house tactics used by Cus and his fighters....I doubt Wlad would accept someone bullying him, we don't know on account of the fact no one has tried.

#1 Sonny Liston, rolled right on through Floyd Patterson TWICE

#2 Evander Holyfield the fight vs Tyson wasn't even close

#3 Lennox Lewis, he didn't put up with any of Mike's crap either.

Hell I could even through James 'Bonecrusher' Smith in this group, he wasn't known for his chin but even he lasted the distance with a Prime Mike Tyson

As for anyone not sold on Wlad's skill, you go out and try to win a fight with one hand and see how easy it is. Boxing isn't JUST about KO's but Wlad gets those too. Sure he doesn't come out guns a blazin like he used to and BECAUSE of that he's one of the most dominant fighters out there. Also Wladimir can't be blamed if the opponent he is fighting doesn't want to fight him, sure people were waiting for him to KO Sultan Ibragimov, I was one of the people waiting for it, but when you fight a lefty and he's loading up ready to counter the right cross do you know what punch you don't throw.....THE RIGHT CROSS!!!

But hey if you guys don't like Wlad fine go right ahead and hate on him, he'll be around for a while yet so be sure to pace yourselves

[jokaleras]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO_sWnawpU4What was that you were saying about the left hook?

Also in the begining of this thread you implied that if someone had Floyd Patterson's skill set they would beat Wladimir Klitschko....obviously you know fuck all about boxing. The Cus D'Mato/Floyd Patterson/Mike Tyson method of boxing does have weaknesses and what Wladimir uses to his advantage exploits those weaknesses. I bring to your attention the fighters who caused that style of boxing the most trouble....

#1 James 'Buster' Douglas....used height, reach, size, and mobility vs the previously undefeated 'Iron' Mike Tyson and basically took Mike to school and don't anyone give me that old "Well Mike didn't have Rooney" bullshit Mike could have had Jesus in his corner and it wouldn't have helped him.

#2 Alexis Arguello, oh yes El Flaco Explosivo demolished one Kevin Rooney who used that very same style. Height + Reach + Power = KO win for Arguello.

#3 Tony Tucker, tall, lanky, used height and reach and had he not broken his hand early on in the bout perhaps he could have beaten Tyson. Tucker didn't win but he gave Tyson all kinds of trouble.

The other fighters who gave that style trouble were the fighters who didn't put up with the bullying/rough house tactics used by Cus and his fighters....I doubt Wlad would accept someone bullying him, we don't know on account of the fact no one has tried.

#1 Sonny Liston, rolled right on through Floyd Patterson TWICE

#2 Evander Holyfield the fight vs Tyson wasn't even close

#3 Lennox Lewis, he didn't put up with any of Mike's crap either.

Hell I could even through James 'Bonecrusher' Smith in this group, he wasn't known for his chin but even he lasted the distance with a Prime Mike Tyson

As for anyone not sold on Wlad's skill, you go out and try to win a fight with one hand and see how easy it is. Boxing isn't JUST about KO's but Wlad gets those too. Sure he doesn't come out guns a blazin like he used to and BECAUSE of that he's one of the most dominant fighters out there. Also Wladimir can't be blamed if the opponent he is fighting doesn't want to fight him, sure people were waiting for him to KO Sultan Ibragimov, I was one of the people waiting for it, but when you fight a lefty and he's loading up ready to counter the right cross do you know what punch you don't throw.....THE RIGHT CROSS!!!

But hey if you guys don't like Wlad fine go right ahead and hate on him, he'll be around for a while yet so be sure to pace yourselves

Those lefthooks against Austin? Sure, now let's see him throw multiple lefthooks in quick succession without both of his feet together. Actually, it speaks of how awful Austin is that he got caught by a lead lefthook. Even RJJ and Sugar Ray Robinson would set up theirs with feints.

Buster Douglas troubled Tyson with his height and reach advantage? Sure and it was also the feints and lateral movement and that jab he would double and triple up to maneuver Tyson. If you're implying that Wlad would beat a prime Tyson this way you're absolutely wrong. Douglas could move twenty times better than Wlad. Mike Tyson would easily slip Wlad's sometimes lethargic jab and tear his ass up on the inside. Furthermore, Wlad lacks a good uppercut to even trouble the smaller Tyson should he get on the inside. I won't even address the rest of that post as it is full of holes.

As for that Ibragimov comment you made: Ibragimov was loading up a counter? what are you saying?? you mean he was actually telegraphing his punches and that Wlad couldn't counter telegraphed punches?
And that right cross? Why couldn't Wlad remember that basic rule about fighting southpaws? To keep your lead foot outside of the southpaw's right foot? Couldn't he have delivered the right crosses in that way? Maybe he could've used his rear/right foot more to get himself into proper positions, that's how Hopkins knocked down Tarver. It's how Marco Antonio Barrera put on a masterful boxing exhibition against Hamed. Of course, he ain't that technically sound. He constantly has his rear foot right behind his left foot. He can't expect to get good leverage on that right cross that way. It's a good thing he has a serious reach and size advantage over some of his opponents.

[Mar]

How skilled Both bro's are clear champs right now, does it really matter ? They've kicked the skill out of everyone as of late, all that really matters.

[leftylee]

How skilled Both bro's are clear champs right now, does it really matter ? They've kicked the skill out of everyone as of late, all that really matters.

Not out of this guy.

[DaxxKahn]

How skilled Both bro's are clear champs right now, does it really matter ? They've kicked the skill out of everyone as of late, all that really matters.

Not out of this guy.

Of course not thats because after ball the shit talking he did Haye found a way to get out of fighting BOTH brothers

[El Kabong]

Those lefthooks against Austin? Sure, now let's see him throw multiple lefthooks in quick succession without both of his feet together. Actually, it speaks of how awful Austin is that he got caught by a lead lefthook. Even RJJ and Sugar Ray Robinson would set up theirs with feints.

Buster Douglas troubled Tyson with his height and reach advantage? Sure and it was also the feints and lateral movement and that jab he would double and triple up to maneuver Tyson. If you're implying that Wlad would beat a prime Tyson this way you're absolutely wrong. Douglas could move twenty times better than Wlad. Mike Tyson would easily slip Wlad's sometimes lethargic jab and tear his ass up on the inside. Furthermore, Wlad lacks a good uppercut to even trouble the smaller Tyson should he get on the inside. I won't even address the rest of that post as it is full of holes.

As for that Ibragimov comment you made: Ibragimov was loading up a counter? what are you saying?? you mean he was actually telegraphing his punches and that Wlad couldn't counter telegraphed punches?
And that right cross? Why couldn't Wlad remember that basic rule about fighting southpaws? To keep your lead foot outside of the southpaw's right foot? Couldn't he have delivered the right crosses in that way? Maybe he could've used his rear/right foot more to get himself into proper positions, that's how Hopkins knocked down Tarver. It's how Marco Antonio Barrera put on a masterful boxing exhibition against Hamed. Of course, he ain't that technically sound. He constantly has his rear foot right behind his left foot. He can't expect to get good leverage on that right cross that way. It's a good thing he has a serious reach and size advantage over some of his opponents.

There's no point in arguing with you because you're a hater and no matter who Wlad beats or how Wlad beats them it's not going to change your mind. Anytime I bring up a time when Wladimir did well you'll come along and say "Yeah but that was vs _____".

"Douglas could move twenty times better than Wlad" Oh really Lethargic jab?? Anybody have any issues with that other than myself? I never said whether Wlad would or wouldn't beat a Prime Mike Tyson (oh by the way who the hell did he fight) I simply said Wladimir has the skill set to beat that style of fighter. Mike Tyson got hurt by: Lewis, Douglas, Holyfield, Bruno, and Smith...I rate Wladimir's power right behind Lennox Lewis'.

As for the fight with Sultan, it wasn't his best performance but Wlad came out with the W and as a fighter sometimes you have to take what is given to you. Wlad has fought more southpaws than any other heavyweight in modern times and the last one he fought was on short notice...it's not an easy thing to adapt to

Leftylee, David Haye was handed TWO shots at the Klitschko brothers and DAVID HAYE pussed out of both fights to try and get title vs the easiest opponent he could find with a major belt.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Metaphorically speaking, the man is like a Boa Constrictor..Look at his stats.

If the guy infront of him wants to 'think' for 2.5 minutes a round, He'll invariabley get 'out-thought'.

The more they open up, the more they get beat up.

If their/ we are lucky enough, Wlad will just knock the guy out before either 'thinking' or 'fighting' has had a chance to oocur... Sometimes with one arm.

Incredible really.

[jon09]

Vlad is very skilled, can he be frustrating to watch? At times yes he can be, but for a heavyweight that is in his early 30's and that has almost 60 fights and as nearly that many knockouts says something about him and his skills. The same people that hate him will tune in and watch him until his hundredth fight because you never know what might happen either he will look really impressive or really crappy but either way someone will more than likely get knocked out.

[jokaleras]

Those lefthooks against Austin? Sure, now let's see him throw multiple lefthooks in quick succession without both of his feet together. Actually, it speaks of how awful Austin is that he got caught by a lead lefthook. Even RJJ and Sugar Ray Robinson would set up theirs with feints.

Buster Douglas troubled Tyson with his height and reach advantage? Sure and it was also the feints and lateral movement and that jab he would double and triple up to maneuver Tyson. If you're implying that Wlad would beat a prime Tyson this way you're absolutely wrong. Douglas could move twenty times better than Wlad. Mike Tyson would easily slip Wlad's sometimes lethargic jab and tear his ass up on the inside. Furthermore, Wlad lacks a good uppercut to even trouble the smaller Tyson should he get on the inside. I won't even address the rest of that post as it is full of holes.

As for that Ibragimov comment you made: Ibragimov was loading up a counter? what are you saying?? you mean he was actually telegraphing his punches and that Wlad couldn't counter telegraphed punches?
And that right cross? Why couldn't Wlad remember that basic rule about fighting southpaws? To keep your lead foot outside of the southpaw's right foot? Couldn't he have delivered the right crosses in that way? Maybe he could've used his rear/right foot more to get himself into proper positions, that's how Hopkins knocked down Tarver. It's how Marco Antonio Barrera put on a masterful boxing exhibition against Hamed. Of course, he ain't that technically sound. He constantly has his rear foot right behind his left foot. He can't expect to get good leverage on that right cross that way. It's a good thing he has a serious reach and size advantage over some of his opponents.

There's no point in arguing with you because you're a hater and no matter who Wlad beats or how Wlad beats them it's not going to change your mind. Anytime I bring up a time when Wladimir did well you'll come along and say "Yeah but that was vs _____".

"Douglas could move twenty times better than Wlad" Oh really Lethargic jab?? Anybody have any issues with that other than myself? I never said whether Wlad would or wouldn't beat a Prime Mike Tyson (oh by the way who the hell did he fight) I simply said Wladimir has the skill set to beat that style of fighter. Mike Tyson got hurt by: Lewis, Douglas, Holyfield, Bruno, and Smith...I rate Wladimir's power right behind Lennox Lewis'.

As for the fight with Sultan, it wasn't his best performance but Wlad came out with the W and as a fighter sometimes you have to take what is given to you. Wlad has fought more southpaws than any other heavyweight in modern times and the last one he fought was on short notice...it's not an easy thing to adapt to

Leftylee, David Haye was handed TWO shots at the Klitschko brothers and DAVID HAYE pussed out of both fights to try and get title vs the easiest opponent he could find with a major belt.

fair enough!

[leftylee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO_sWnawpU4
What was that you were saying about the left hook?

Also in the begining of this thread you implied that if someone had Floyd Patterson's skill set they would beat Wladimir Klitschko....obviously you know fuck all about boxing. The Cus D'Mato/Floyd Patterson/Mike Tyson method of boxing does have weaknesses and what Wladimir uses to his advantage exploits those weaknesses. I bring to your attention the fighters who caused that style of boxing the most trouble....

#1 James 'Buster' Douglas....used height, reach, size, and mobility vs the previously undefeated 'Iron' Mike Tyson and basically took Mike to school and don't anyone give me that old "Well Mike didn't have Rooney" bullshit Mike could have had Jesus in his corner and it wouldn't have helped him.

#2 Alexis Arguello, oh yes El Flaco Explosivo demolished one Kevin Rooney who used that very same style. Height + Reach + Power = KO win for Arguello.

#3 Tony Tucker, tall, lanky, used height and reach and had he not broken his hand early on in the bout perhaps he could have beaten Tyson. Tucker didn't win but he gave Tyson all kinds of trouble.

The other fighters who gave that style trouble were the fighters who didn't put up with the bullying/rough house tactics used by Cus and his fighters....I doubt Wlad would accept someone bullying him, we don't know on account of the fact no one has tried.

#1 Sonny Liston, rolled right on through Floyd Patterson TWICE

#2 Evander Holyfield the fight vs Tyson wasn't even close

#3 Lennox Lewis, he didn't put up with any of Mike's crap either.

Hell I could even through James 'Bonecrusher' Smith in this group, he wasn't known for his chin but even he lasted the distance with a Prime Mike Tyson

As for anyone not sold on Wlad's skill, you go out and try to win a fight with one hand and see how easy it is. Boxing isn't JUST about KO's but Wlad gets those too. Sure he doesn't come out guns a blazin like he used to and BECAUSE of that he's one of the most dominant fighters out there. Also Wladimir can't be blamed if the opponent he is fighting doesn't want to fight him, sure people were waiting for him to KO Sultan Ibragimov, I was one of the people waiting for it, but when you fight a lefty and he's loading up ready to counter the right cross do you know what punch you don't throw.....THE RIGHT CROSS!!!

But hey if you guys don't like Wlad fine go right ahead and hate on him, he'll be around for a while yet so be sure to pace yourselves

No need for the essay. Wlad is a fraud. The whole world knows it bar a couple of Germans and your punk ass.